Marek Hamsik

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I've seen him a handful of times, for both Napoli and Slovakia, and have never been impressed.
 
manutddjw said:
I'd rather sign someone else, but from my limited viewing of Hamsik I think he could be effective for us in a deeper role than what he plays now. He could add an offensive threat that most of our current midfielders don't have or haven't shown to date. If we feel comfortable putting Rooney in midfield, I don't see the issue of trying it with Hamsik. Like I said, I'd rather sign someone else as there's no guarantees he will be good in a midfield 2 like Anderson.

Also, I'm extremely suspect of signing players from Serie A. We've seen players like Lamela and Ramirez look like a sure thing to become top players and they've come to Premier League and looked very average. Then on the flip side of that you've had players like Taarabt go to AC Milan and look like 2010 Nani.
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Well, it's a gamble. Coutinho and Flamini are examples of the opposite. Heck, even Chico Flores was atrocious for Genoa and now he was rock solid for Swansea against Napoli. There's no logic in that.

I dare say there are more big money intra-league flops in both Italy and England than foreigners flopping.
 
He's not the right player for Man Utd, Hamsik just doesn't really fit into any system we would play I don't think I just can't see him doing well at a club like Manchester United
 
TheNewEra said:
He's not the right player for Man Utd, Hamsik just doesn't really fit into any system we would play I don't think I just can't see him doing well at a club like Manchester United
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That's probably right, another no 10 is hardly what United need. He's a slightly more explosive and physical Kagawa (at Dortmund).
 
Nedved said:
That's probably right, another no 10 is hardly what United need. He's a slightly more explosive and physical Kagawa.
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I think he's 26 now too, he's not so young, 27 by the time we would buy him, I can see him at a side like Liverpool, but Man Utd I just can't see it.

To pay around the £20m mark for him, when there's played like Gundogan available for £25-30m and 3-4 years younger, no question in my mind who I would opt to go for
 
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I think he's a bit rubbish personally (relatively speaking of course)
 
Rozay said:
I think he's a bit rubbish personally (relatively speaking of course)
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I agree, I don't see it with him, I can see him at Liverpool, but Man Utd I just cant see it, he's not really at the standard that the club needs.
 
One of those players who, whenever I've watched him, have been quite average, yet he's still very highly rated by others, so I'm left thinking if I've missed something or just caught him on bad days....
 
Not the sort of player we need anyway, strange bump IMO, don't agree with those citing his level as "pool" and not "united", he's a top class player, it's just dependent on systems played, personel etc, but I can't personally see him thriving here...
 
He reminds me of an early Ibrahimovic, how everybody raved about him but whenever I actually saw him play in real life he seemed pretty well average.

Obviously that's now changed about Ibra, I feel perhaps Hamsik need's a new challenge. Perhaps that's the issue though, he's a big fish in a small pond. Maybe he will not be able to take the step up.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He reminds me of an early Ibrahimovic, how everybody raved about him but whenever I actually saw him play in real life he seemed pretty well average.

Obviously that's now changed about Ibra, I feel perhaps Hamsik need's a new challenge. Perhaps that's the issue though, he's a big fish in a small pond. Maybe he will not be able to take the step up.
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Ibrahimovic was always good, he was brilliant at even Juventus, Inter Milan, AC Milan, even Barcelona.

People probably only bothered to watch him in the Champions League, and watched him England Vs Sweden and waited for him to score before they made a judgement, people tend to only judge when everybody jumps on the bandwagon.

Hamsik is nowhere near, or will ever be anywhere near that level, he's a good player don't get me wrong, but I don't think he'll succeed in the premier league.
 
TheNewEra said:
Ibrahimovic was always good, he was brilliant at even Juventus, Inter Milan, AC Milan, even Barcelona.

People probably only bothered to watch him in the Champions League, and watched him England Vs Sweden and waited for him to score before they made a judgement, people tend to only judge when everybody jumps on the bandwagon.

Hamsik is nowhere near, or will ever be anywhere near that level, he's a good player don't get me wrong, but I don't think he'll succeed in the premier league.
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The first time I saw him properly was against Utd for Inter in the CL. He was average in both games. Clearly though looking into him further he was not "average", but he wasn't a patch on his form now.
 
Adam-Utd said:
The first time I saw him properly was against Utd for Inter in the CL. He was average in both games. Clearly though looking into him further he was not "average", but he wasn't a patch on his form now.
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That's basing it on two games, he was up against Vidic and Ferdinand in their prime, he was also the striker partner of Adriano, who had completely lost his confidence and was a complete liability, Inter Milan then were facing an overhaul getting rid of players like Adriano, he also didn't have full confidence of players around him Maicon didn't like Ibrahimovic arrogance for example.

His whole career, through Ajax, Juventus, Inter (and so on) he has always been prolific and a complete striker, people base it off a game where they come up against English opposition because they can't be bothered to go and watch a Serie A game, and would rather wait for an international friendly to make a judgement.

"Nah Ibrahimovic isn't good because he didn't score in the 2 games I watched him play" isn't a very good way to judge it, and that's the world we live in, people pass judgement fast because of that, as I said, english fans are just lazy to go and watch other leagues, Ibrahimovic has always been a top player, put it this way, whenever Ibrahimovic has played for a team, they have always won leagues, and medals, at Inter, at Milan, at Barca, at Juventus... if he wasn't world class, then they wouldn't have done.
 
Of all the times I have seen him play I've never come away from the game thinking "I can see why he's rated so highly". He's been downright average in most of the games.
 
EdWeatherall said:
@Gambit - Don't read this, cover your ears
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Don't worry. The first time I watched him play I was actually watching to check out DeRossi a caf fave. Prior I'd watched DeRossi get bullied by Sully Muntari, thinking it was just an off game I then watched him against Napoli. Hamsik ran the game, he was a step ahead of their midfield in every way and gave one of the most dynamic performances I'd seen for a long time. That whole season he was stunning and most of the next. When the caf finally started to pay attention he was moved forward into the Trident of him Lavezzi and Cavani. Which stripped him off his midfield influence in dictating the game. His stats were still great, but when Napoli came up against stronger teams the trident was an easily exploited weakness that ended up (Hamsik especially) out of the game. Then it was time for the internationals. Hamsik was moved back into the midfield, had less of a team around him and never really shined. The caf decided he was crap. Last season he provided 22 assists and scored 13. This season he started looking like he was getting back to his best at the start, then he got a foot injury and it looks like Benitez has started to phase him out. I think he's left already. Obviously on his way to us.
 
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Gambit said:
Don't worry. The first time I watched him play I was actually watching to check out DeRossi a caf fave. Prior I'd watched DeRossi get bullied by Sully Muntari, thinking it was just an off game I then watched him against Napoli. Hamsik ran the game, he was a step ahead of their midfield in every way and gave one of the most dynamic performances I'd seen for a long time. That whole season he was stunning and most of the next. When the caf finally started to pay attention he was moved forward into the Trident of him Lavezzi and Cavani. Which stripped him off his midfield influence in dictating the game. His stats were still great, but when Napoli came up against stronger teams the trident was an easily exploited weakness that ended up (Hamsik especially) out of the game. Then it was time for the internationals. Hamsik was moved back into the midfield, had less of a team around him and never really shined. The caf decided he was crap. Last season he provided 22 assists and scored 13. This season he started looking like he was getting back to his best at the start, then he got a foot injury and it looks like Benitez has started to phase him out. I think he's left already. Obviously on his way to us.
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Cavani, Lavezzi and Hamsik were certainly never Napoli's 'weakness'- it wasthis trio that gave them a fighting chance against any big team.
 
Rozay said:
Cavani, Lavezzi and Hamsik were certainly never Napoli's 'weakness'- it wasthis trio that gave them a fighting chance against any big team.
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But instead of changing their tactics from a 3 pronged attack to a more defensive system they ended up abandoned.
 
more links to us with him in the italian papers today.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He reminds me of an early Ibrahimovic, how everybody raved about him but whenever I actually saw him play in real life he seemed pretty well average.

Obviously that's now changed about Ibra, I feel perhaps Hamsik need's a new challenge. Perhaps that's the issue though, he's a big fish in a small pond. Maybe he will not be able to take the step up.
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Early Ibra was one of the most insanely confident players I have ever seen.



should give you a good idea. Watching him I had no doubt he would be anything less than a star.

I do not think Hamsik is on the same level as him then.
 
mswiss said:
Early Ibra was one of the most insanely confident players I have ever seen.



should give you a good idea. Watching him I had no doubt he would be anything less than a star.

I do not think Hamsik is on the same level as him then.
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Zlatan has always struck me as the kind of player that would be on Ronaldo and Messi's level if he had the work ethic.

Same could probably be said of Rooney and Berba.
 
IrishLegend said:
Zlatan has always struck me as the kind of player that would be on Ronaldo and Messi's level if he had the work ethic.

Same could probably be said of Rooney and Berba.
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Berbatov! Seriously?
 
IrishLegend said:
Berba had incredible touch and technique. It was his work rate that let him down.

Do you really think Berba wasn't incredibly gifted technically?
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Perhaps I'm a bit biased as I've always been a fan of Berba but I'd put it that way: top class technique and footballing brain (could we classify that as top class talent?) and not so good physique, work-rate and mental strength. He was so good at Tottenham when he still had a bit of pace. Without pace, it was always difficult for him. The best ones of his ilk, say Ibrahimović, have a tremendous upper body strength to compensate for the lack of/little pace.
 
IrishLegend said:
Berba had incredible touch and technique. It was his work rate that let him down.

Do you really think Berba wasn't incredibly gifted technically?
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He was technically gifted in that he had very good ball control. His passing range was not all the great nor was his shooting. But how can you think he could have reached Messi's level? I mean it does not compute. If only technique was required to reach that level, there would have been many who would be there. He lacked pace, work rate and dare I say mental strength as well. But what really differentiates the Messis and Ronaldos from the likes of Berbatov is the ability to be the deciding factor in close matches against the heavy weights and matches where your team is not doing good enough and they turn it around with a moment of genuis.
 
The few times I've seen him play this year he really seems to have become safe enough on the ball that he could potentially play in a midfield 2 with the right partner.

Maybe: Hamsik-Carvalho?

Swaps never happen, but Benitez is probably the perfect manager for Antonio Valencia, so maybe something like Valencia + 15 million would work for everyone?
 
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