Im very fond of both.
Marcus Rashford vs Anthony Martial (2017 / 2018 Season)
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It has to be a 3 of Martial--Mata--Rashford. If they have to play together. We are going to lose the ball a lot, if we play Mkhtiaryan in place of Juan.
I don't believe in this, supporting a player over the club thing. There might be some who do, but what I'm seeing is fans who have overly attached themselves to Martial(probably because of his playing style), and have become delusional over how good he is. This is so obvious when you see the level of disappointment over his playing time.
Some seem to think, giving him the starting spot will be a massive improvement for the team, assuming he will be producing at the same rate he has this far, which is obviously never gonna happen. From reading some of the comments on here, you would think we're keeping Messi on the bench.
You can tell how attached someone has become to him, when it's come to a point where they've become anti Mourinho for his "rotation/exclusion", despite how well we're doing. So I can understand accusations of being Martial FC, when it seems they won't give credit to the manager unless he makes Martial the main man.
In reality, I don't think there's much between any of our attackers to make one of them untouchable, like Lukaku, Pogba and Matic are.
Between Martial, Rashford, Mata, Mikhi and even Lingard, they all have diifferences in their games and Mourinho is trying to use them in a way to get the most out of them. Which seems to be working well, especially the rotation of Martial and Rashford.
Some seem to think, giving him the starting spot will be a massive improvement for the team, assuming he will be producing at the same rate he has this far, which is obviously never gonna happen. From reading some of the comments on here, you would think we're keeping Messi on the bench.
You can tell how attached someone has become to him, when it's come to a point where they've become anti Mourinho for his "rotation/exclusion", despite how well we're doing. So I can understand accusations of being Martial FC, when it seems they won't give credit to the manager unless he makes Martial the main man.
In reality, I don't think there's much between any of our attackers to make one of them untouchable, like Lukaku, Pogba and Matic are.
Between Martial, Rashford, Mata, Mikhi and even Lingard, they all have diifferences in their games and Mourinho is trying to use them in a way to get the most out of them. Which seems to be working well, especially the rotation of Martial and Rashford.
Good post - I agree
Martial shouldn't be starting ahead of anyone at the moment, that includes Mata (who I think has gone under the radar and played well this season). The fact that we are breaking teams down, going 1-0 up and then bringing Martial on to make use of the space is probably just validation for Mourinho. A Mourinho side going 1-0 up will kill games off.
People just need to accept it at the moment.
People just need to accept it at the moment.
I don't follow your point. Because we can score without Martial playing, he shouldn't start? Or is this just another "he's only played against tired legs/defensively vulnerable opponents due to them having to attack" post?
By that analysis, you are basically saying that there is nothing Martial can do in his cameos to earn a start, if I'm not mistaken?
When he comes on, it isn't a case of him potentially doing enough to be picked from the off, as any positive impact will instead be validation. If his performances can't earn him regular starts here, he is basically the same status as Lingard or so.
Bale is on the bench if Benzema is fit though? Neymar/Messi is on a different planet compared to Martial/Rashford or Martial/Mata.
Im saying the way we set up at the start of games at the moment sets us up for victory. Im not saying we wouldn't win with Martial starting. Just that Rashford/Mata offer different skill sets and Mourinho probably feels justified at the moment.
Well if the team starts to perform poorly and cannot break teams down, Mourinho might have a plan to make Martial effective as a starter. I'm not gonna bash Mourinho for not starting Martial yet. If a game is 0-0 and he comes on and changes the game, he probably will have a better chance at starting. I think the context of games are important. Martial coming on and scoring when the first eleven have broken a team down and scored already isn't going to sway Mourinho much. If he comes on and scores when it's 0-0, he'll have a much better chance, especially if Rashford/Mata play poorly.
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FFS, this thread was dead. You just had to bring it back up. It's you that can't accept people have different opinions from you.
I didn't realise it was dead 
. I'm waiting for my girl to finish the cooking and just scrolled down the forum a bit .
. I'm waiting for my girl to finish the cooking and just scrolled down the forum a bit .Oh, so just a dressed up version of "don't fix what isn't broken".
Didn't mean to 'dress it up'. I think we are performing well as a unit, we should stick with it.
I bet Martial can bench more.
Rashford has bulked up tbf.
Well if a player plays for Manchester United and comes on from the 75th minute onwards, it is extremely likely his team will be in the lead at that stage. That doesn't necessarily mean the XI on the pitch have all been amazing either. Also, it is extremely unlikely the player coming on would have the sort of impact Martial has had from the bench so far. It's not the norm for subs to contribute what he has done, firstly because they have so little time, and secondly because they usually aren't that good a footballer in the first place, hence their perma-sub status.
We don't need XI players or all forwards playing brilliantly most weeks to be 1-0 up at 75 mins. Personally, I think it's a ridiculous 'formula' to use - it equates football analysis to some sort of algorithm as opposed to objective observation of the individuals.
It's not a 'formula', it's just game management. Mourinho sets his first eleven out and they all for the job of getting us the lead. You can sit there and say Martial is a great player. Mourinho also has said he rates Martial. That's not the point. We had trouble breaking teams down and holding on to our 1-0 leads last year. We have a set up now that has remedied these problems thus far.
Never have I said Martial isn't a good player, or that he isn't talented. Everyone knows he is. I'm just trying to look at it from Mourinho's perspective. Mata and Rashford are great players as well!
They'll be games where we struggle to break the deadlock, and Martial will come on. If he takes his chances in that sort of context Mourinho will trust him more.
I've not accused you of saying anything. I'm simply probing you on your points a bit further.
It seemed like formula to me to say 'this XI got us a 1-0 lead after 75, so obviously this is the best XI'. That's an equation. It doesn't necessarily mean the XI all performed well.
You may we'll be right in your last paragraph. It does again lend to the implication though, that Martial cannot be trusted to perform (as of now) in deadlocked games, which is a strange assessment if considering his time here as a whole. He hasn't always just scored the 3rd and 4th for us. He's had many decisive moments, but yes, perhaps they are not enough yet to have convinced Mourinho that he can be relied upon to decide. We will see.
When fit I want Martial and Rash in the team every game. The others can rotate
Sí.
They should be getting Rooney/Ronaldo development time, for the good of themselves and the club long term.
Amen brother.
At the risk of igniting the dying embers of this thread, I just had to post this. (Don't know if it's already been posted)
Ideally we shouldn't be pitting these two against each other but what I can gleam from this video is that recently I've come to underrate rashford's skills and technical side. Yes he may not pull it out as often as martial but the kid's got skills and it's mostly brushed off like he can only kick and run but there's more to him than that.
As for martial, all I can say is every move of his while entertaining is also deadly as it's calculated to bring him as close to the box as possible to inflict maximum damage. Just a lethal weapon.
I agree with everything that you have said there.
Martial starting today...maybe Mourinho doesn't have an agenda with him after all? 
Martial starts today....it's a big big opportunity for the lad,hopefully he"ll grab it with both hands.
Be interesting to see if now Martial starts the next few league games and rashford the cup gmes purely because of fixture layout. Either way I'd hope to see them both start together soon, mata/miki as the 10.
Not sure how bad Rashford's injury is but it could change the entire dynamics of Jose's rotation strategy.
If Rashford is out for a while, then Martial will never get a better chance for a good run of games. He'll have to really prove his worth. Let's see if he can own the shirt.
If Rashford is out for a while, then Martial will never get a better chance for a good run of games. He'll have to really prove his worth. Let's see if he can own the shirt.
Clearly being rotated.
Martial starts and Rashford on the bench. In the last 12 games, both started in alternate games and now Martial is starting in PL games and Rashford in CL.
Jose would rather play Lingard than let them both play at the same time. Best get used to this thread
Martial starting today...maybe Mourinho doesn't have an agenda with him after all?
Fecking with both of them at this stage. Developing our two best young talents to play the same position. Madness
I know LVG is a rubbish game manager but my word he would have set the team up to play 352 & play martial & rashford at the top in partnership.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it would not work & judging from their individual abilities it would be more successful than whatever we are putting out right now.
Just such a backward type of management for this youngsters who are the amongst the best in the world for their age bracket.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it would not work & judging from their individual abilities it would be more successful than whatever we are putting out right now.
Just such a backward type of management for this youngsters who are the amongst the best in the world for their age bracket.
I predict he starts both on Tuesday so that he can rest Martial against Spurs
When he plays Rashford, he has an agenda against Martial. When he plays Martial, he's developing them to play the same position which is 'madness.'
It's almost like he can't win with some of you.
It's almost like he can't win with some of you.
FFS just give it a rest at least for 1 game. Now instead of moaning about games and what happened, you guys have taken it to next level and moan about what will happen.
I'm also annoyed by this. Mourinho would rather rotate them them simply playing them together thus further delaying any sort of development.
The fact that even when they're in form, they're expected to be rotated doesn't bode well. when a player finds form they need to play continuously and carry on a consistent playing time. This business of playing one then skipping one(or coming on for 10-15 minutes) isn't helping and I for one don't understand why Mourinho would persist with that.
Rashford should also be develop as a striker and lukaku should also be taken off when having a bad game or leading by few goals comfortably, so martial gets more time on the wing.
I also feel both martial and rashford can also be played on the right too.
I also feel both martial and rashford can also be played on the right too.
What on earth would he gain from that?
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