Marcus Rashford vs Anthony Martial (2017 / 2018 Season)

[MThomas]

Playing in ever match and scoring and even starting some games is not being a fringe player. If Martial or Rashford keeps coming off the bench and scoring and winning the match then so be it. So long as they get enough game time and win trophies they will be happy.
Playing the two of them together and when we are not winning, who is the one you need to bring off the bench to score and win the game? Daley Blind? Luke Shaw? Or route one Fellaini? Fellaini is injured right now and not available.
By the way Ole was 23 when he joined us and had not made a name for himself.

I didn't use the word fringe player about his current situation.

I think it's amusing to say that arguably our two most exciting youngsters should rotate between playing because it's important to have a strong bench if we're not winning. Is it not more important to have a starting lineup as good as possible ?

Even Ole considered leaving the club

 

[SteveW]

I didn't use the word fringe player about his current situation.

I think it's amusing to say that arguably our two most exciting youngsters should rotate between playing because it's important to have a strong bench if we're not winning. Is it not more important to have a starting lineup as good as possible ?

Even Ole considered leaving the club

Yes. Pretty much every team and manager in the history of football has tended to start the better players.

Don't remember Fergie ever saying let's start Blomqvist because Giggs will offer so much more from the bench if we're not winning.

 

[Sing you a song]

You do realize, that Martial has scored 17 goals in a season for us? This, in a misfiring LVG side and in his debut season in English football.

I do realise this and he is a good player with great potential and an ideal back up goalscorer I just don't see him ( or Rashford ) as an out and out RVN type at the focal point of the front line season after season

 

[SteveW]

I do realise this and he is a good player with great potential and an ideal back up goalscorer I just don't see him ( or Rashford ) as an out and out RVN type at the focal point of the front line season after season

Which is why we signed Lukaku. But think how many they could potentially score as a front 3. It's frightening

 

[haram]

You do understand that the fullback will always try to force the player to stay out wide ?

You do realise Martial's game is basically cutting inside?

For the good of the team. Plus they'd both prefer play than spend half their time on the bench. No idea why you're so convinced either of them wouldn't do well on the right. Both have all the attributes to play there.

How is it for the good of the team that Martial plays on the right .

People are so far up his arse that they want him on the right where he cant even do what he's good at .

Just stick him on anywhere he's soo good he'll be ok .

 

[SteveW]

You do realise Martial's game is basically cutting inside?



How is it for the good of the team that Martial plays on the right .

People are so far up his arse that they want him on the right where he cant even do what he's good at .

Just stick him on anywhere he's soo good he'll be ok .

You sure like that smiley.

I think he's better than the other options for that position. That's why is better for the team.

So your argument is what? You think he can't do what he's good at on the right??? You think he can't run at players, can't cross, shoot, dribble etc. He can only do those things from the left wing. That's your argument??? You're saying a player with superb pace, dribbling and a good right foot can't play right wing?

Watch where he started his run from for the goal against Spurs. Have a look at the beautiful cross he gave Lukaku at Stoke. Or just use your head. More thinking fewer Houlliers. How about that...

 

[haram]

You sure like that smiley.

I think he's better than the other options for that position. That's why is better for the team.

So your argument is what? You think he can't do what he's good at on the right??? You think he can't run at players, can't cross, shoot, dribble etc. He can only do those things from the left wing. That's your argument??? You're saying a player with superb pace, dribbling and a good right foot can't play right wing?

Watch where he started his run from for the goal against Spurs. Have a look at the beautiful cross he gave Lukaku at Stoke. Or just use your head. More thinking fewer Houlliers. How about that...

I'm not going debate with someone who thinks playing Martial at RW is what is best for the team. It's a shocking idea.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Rashford is playing at a good level consistently,Martials swinging from one extreme to the other.He was terrible against Huddersfield,he was brilliant yesterday.....Rashford just seems to be doing it more consistently....

He was pretty much man marked and every time he got the ball there was 2 or 3 on him. He wasn’t even as bad as people make out.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

You sure like that smiley.

I think he's better than the other options for that position. That's why is better for the team.

So your argument is what? You think he can't do what he's good at on the right??? You think he can't run at players, can't cross, shoot, dribble etc. He can only do those things from the left wing. That's your argument??? You're saying a player with superb pace, dribbling and a good right foot can't play right wing?

Watch where he started his run from for the goal against Spurs. Have a look at the beautiful cross he gave Lukaku at Stoke. Or just use your head. More thinking fewer Houlliers. How about that...

I think Rashford would probably be better out on the right since he was a RW coming through and his play is more akin to a winger.
Do think both could easy do it, seen Martial out there for Monaco and he was decent always coming inside and causing havoc. Think Martial is better central to be honest.

 

[SteveW]

I'm not going debate with someone who thinks playing Martial at RW is what is best for the team. It's a shocking idea.

But you can't explain why. No worries. I'm happy not to debate with you. You're entrenched

 

[SteveW]

I think Rashford would probably be better out on the right since he was a RW coming through and his play is more akin to a winger.
Do think both could easy do it, seen Martial out there for Monaco and he was decent always coming inside and causing havoc. Think Martial is better central to be honest.

Agreed. I'd put Rashford on the right. Was just discussing Martial there because the other poster was adamant that left wing was Rashfords rightful position and that meant Martial had to be on the bench. Both players have all the tools to play left, right or centrally. Amazed that anyone would think otherwise.

 

[haram]

But you can't explain why. No worries. I'm happy not to debate with you. You're entrenched

What is there to explain? Martial's game is based on cutting inside onto his right foot. He can't do that on the right. He would have to go on the outside and largely be reduced to crosses. It's the reason why he doesn't play on that side. He's not even a proper winger, why the hell would we put him on the right and force him to play like that. How on earth is that good for the team. It's a pretty fecking simple.

Just admit you're on his dick so much that you just want him on the pitch regardless of if it would actually work or not.

Unbelievable.

 

[Gross Domestic Peasant]

If pushed, I'd say Martial is currently the better player overall, and offers a greater goal-threat.

Where Rashford has the advantage is that he's less predictable (not that Martial is though). I mean that Rashford has more to his game than I sometimes realise. For United and England, he's shown he's capable of superb technique and excellent dead-ball delivery.

I'm surprised by that though as I feel he has more to iron-out of his game than Martial, which is why I find Martial more reliable right now. Rashford will run the ball out of play in every game, and will likely to so a few times, even when it seems doing so is very unlikely. It's a bad habit, and something his otherwise excellent technique shouldn't allow. It's a real weakness right now, when the most obvious Martial has is the range of his finishing. That is a more tolerable weakness to have than being prone to running the ball out of play.

 

[haram]

Yes we may see Rashford on the right, my point is that he is most effective on the left and we shouldn't affect his game by moving him, just to start Martial who will have repeat performances of the Huddersfield one in similar game contexts.

If pushed, I'd say Martial is currently the better player overall, and offers a greater goal-threat.

Where Rashford has the advantage is that he's less predictable (not that Martial is though). I mean that Rashford has more to his game than I sometimes realise. For United and England, he's shown he's capable of superb technique and excellent dead-ball delivery.

I'm surprised by that though as I feel he has more to iron-out of his game than Martial, which is why I find Martial more reliable right now. Rashford will run the ball out of play in every game he plays, and will likely to so a few times, even when it seems doing so is very unlikely. It's a bad habit, and something his otherwise excellent technique shouldn't allow. It's a real weakness right now, when the most obvious Martial has is the range of his finishing. That is a more tolerable weakness to have than being prone to running the ball out of play.

There is more to evaluate than just Rashford running the ball out of play and Martial's finishing. Why would Mourinho look at it in such a simplistic way? It makes no sense. He would be looking at the overall impact on the team, it's shape and our tactics.

 

[SteveW]

What is there to explain? Martial's game is based on cutting inside onto his right foot. He can't do that on the right. He would have to go on the outside and largely be reduced to crosses. It's the reason why he doesn't play on that side. He's not even a proper winger, why the hell would we put him on the right and force him to play like that. How on earth is that good for the team. It's a pretty fecking simple.

Just admit you're on his dick so much that you just want him on the pitch regardless of if it would actually work or not.

Unbelievable.

Wow.

 

[breakout67]

So the manager said what many have been saying all the time. Martial is at his best with the ball but doesnt work the space enough.

 

[Gross Domestic Peasant]

Yes we may see Rashford on the right, my point is that he is most effective on the left and we shouldn't affect his game by moving him, just to start Martial who will have repeat performances of the Huddersfield one in similar game contexts.



There is more to evaluate than just Rashford running the ball out of play and Martial's finishing. Why would Mourinho look at it in such a simplistic way? It makes no sense. He would be looking at the overall impact on the team, it's shape and pur tactics.

Of course he would. I don't pretend to look at it in anything like the depth the manager will. They're just remarks of mine, but Rashford does have that flaw in his game. Doesn't mean I don't rate him, or Martial either.

 

[haram]

Of course he would. I don't pretend to look at it in anything like the depth the manager will. They're just remarks of mine, but Rashford does have that flaw in his game. Doesn't mean I don't rate him, or Martial either.

Fair enough.

Wow.

Is what I am saying incorrect?

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Agreed. I'd put Rashford on the right. Was just discussing Martial there because the other poster was adamant that left wing was Rashfords rightful position and that meant Martial had to be on the bench. Both players have all the tools to play left, right or centrally. Amazed that anyone would think otherwise.

Yeah, I’d quite like to see them working off of Lukaku but given a little more defensive freedom so they can actually help Lukaku out. Let them all swap positions as well in game. The only worry I would have with this is the Jose tendency to basically treat defence and midfield as 1 unit and the forwards are a secondary unit so they tend to be isolated and misfiled is too far from them and this creates a lack of options.

If we can get a decent balance between defence and attack we’ll be sorted.

What do you think is Rashfords natural position? I’m not too convinced it’s on the left myself. If you compare he and Martial in that position Martial seems far more aware of what is going on around him and able to bring others in to the game. He seems less pedantic as where Rashford seems like he is always nervous or over keen maybe.

Both clearly exceptional talents and surely at some point we’ll see all 3. Was a little disappointed that it didn’t happen this weekend

 

[SteveW]

Is what I am saying incorrect?

Yes. Pretty much all of it but that's not your fault. You're entitled to an opinion. The most I can ask is that you at least make a decent argument in support of it. Having some weird hissy fit doesn't really do that.

But how about this? Why don't you try and go a few posts without accusing posters you don't agree with of being on someone's dick or up someone's arse. It's repulsive and makes it fairly difficult to see you as someone worth having a discussion with.

 

[SteveW]

Yeah, I’d quite like to see them working off of Lukaku but given a little more defensive freedom so they can actually help Lukaku out. Let them all swap positions as well in game. The only worry I would have with this is the Jose tendency to basically treat defence and midfield as 1 unit and the forwards are a secondary unit so they tend to be isolated and misfiled is too far from them and this creates a lack of options.

If we can get a decent balance between defence and attack we’ll be sorted.

What do you think is Rashfords natural position? I’m not too convinced it’s on the left myself. If you compare he and Martial in that position Martial seems far more aware of what is going on around him and able to bring others in to the game. He seems less pedantic as where Rashford seems like he is always nervous or over keen maybe.

Both clearly exceptional talents and surely at some point we’ll see all 3. Was a little disappointed that it didn’t happen this weekend

It's a tricky one. I think all 3 are happiest through the middle. But most forwards are. I think it's a matter of being flexible and seeing where each can do the most damage from game to game. Lukaku would be the main striker but the other do can switch wings. I think AM could play well centrally behind the too but in reality I think we should play 3 genuine cms for balance once Pogba is back.

I'm a bit disappointed too. I think there's so much untapped potential. Don't think many teams would relish playing against a team with all three in it.

 

[haram]

Yes. Pretty much all of it but that's not your fault. You're entitled to an opinion. The most I can ask is that you at least make a decent argument in support of it. Having some weird hissy fit doesn't really do that.

But how about this? Why don't you try and go a few posts without accusing posters you don't agree with of being on someone's dick or up someone's arse. It's repulsive and makes it fairly difficult to see you as someone worth having a discussion with.

It's not an opinion. It's facts that his game is built off cutting inside.

 

[SteveW]

It's not an opinion. It's facts that his game is built off cutting inside.

Right footed attacker plays a couple of seasons on left wing. Genius football poster decides his game is built on cutting inside.

If he played on the right I'm sure you'd say he couldn't switch to the left because his game is built on beating players on the outside.

 

[haram]

This guy is unbelievable. Completely blinded by Martial.

 

[prtk0811]

Yeah, I’d quite like to see them working off of Lukaku but given a little more defensive freedom so they can actually help Lukaku out. Let them all swap positions as well in game. The only worry I would have with this is the Jose tendency to basically treat defence and midfield as 1 unit and the forwards are a secondary unit so they tend to be isolated and misfiled is too far from them and this creates a lack of options.

If we can get a decent balance between defence and attack we’ll be sorted.

What do you think is Rashfords natural position? I’m not too convinced it’s on the left myself. If you compare he and Martial in that position Martial seems far more aware of what is going on around him and able to bring others in to the game. He seems less pedantic as where Rashford seems like he is always nervous or over keen maybe.

Both clearly exceptional talents and surely at some point we’ll see all 3. Was a little disappointed that it didn’t happen this weekend

I think Both rashford and martial are even better as centre forwards inside the box and when paired in a 3412 or 352 with lukaku they'll be even more dangerous. 343 can work too, But for that we need to pass the ball better and be more creative on the ground. Rashford has got great movement up front and his link up play is also exellect which could form a deadly partner ship with lukaku and martial 's composure in front of goal and his finish is his biggest asset which is rarely used as he rarely gets time and space in the box with the ball when played as a winger with defensive duties. Problem is we dont have wingers to fill their role basically if sometime we need a 442.

The Defensive offensive balance is only sorted out in a system with 3 at the back or in a 3 mid system in a 433. Even a 451 or 4141 asks too much workrate from the wingers so they are not exactly effective in attack in big games against sides who play attacking themselves.

Good thing is bar liverpool all top sides in epl play 3 at the back and i feel we will match their system in all the big games except liverpool who have the wingers to exploit the space behing wingbacks, so a 433 makes more sense against them but at anfeild we lacked that extra midfeilder to set up in that system so jose went in a 4231 and the attacking balance gets compromised because of the way liverpool play and keep the ball.

 

[SteveW]

This guy is unbelievable. Completely blinded by Martial.

Yep. Like how could anyone think AM is capable of anything other than being Rashford's left wing understudy? He's 100% a left winger. Never shown any potential to play anywhere else. Blinded I tells ya!!

Let's leave it there.....

 

[prtk0811]

It's not an opinion. It's facts that his game is built off cutting inside.

THeir is a thing called inverted wing system too. Martial has played on the right under lvg vs sunderland and wolfsberg i thing and did absolutely fine. Its just about your tactics and passing style which decides weather you can get the best out of a player in a perticular position.

Similar to sane and sterling who could play both sides Rashford and Martial are the same.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

I think the sooner we can legitimately change this thread to martial AND Rashford the better. I’m honestly in favour of lukaku taking a stint on the sideline just to see these two get a chance to establish a run together. It’s Yorke and cole on speed.

 

[MThomas]

You do realise Martial's game is basically cutting inside?

The claim is about as intelligent as suggesting that Rashford's game is basically running.

Nor was it the point.

The point was that your post was funny as feck.

Playing Martial on the right means he's gonna be pushed to go on the outside rather than cut inside, that's not really his game.

As if playing on the left side means that they'll push him to cut inside

 

[P-Nut]

How I see it is Martial so far has produced higher levels than Rashford this season, however when Martial is off his game he offers practically nothing.

Rashford, on the other hand, hasn't reached the level of Martials highs, but when off form still offers something to the game.

In other words, Rashford at his worst is better than Martial at his worst.

Martial at his best, is better than Rashford at his best.

I also sort of understand the concern of moving either to the right. Martial for me would never fit in on that side as you're taking away his most dangerous weapon. Rashford I feel would be more suited to it, but still having to heavily adjust his game which would take some time getting used to.

 

[Silas]

Right footed attacker plays a couple of seasons on left wing. Genius football poster decides his game is built on cutting inside.

If he played on the right I'm sure you'd say he couldn't switch to the left because his game is built on beating players on the outside.

Not sure why you're bothering with this guy.

 

[P-Nut]

I think the sooner we can legitimately change this thread to martial AND Rashford the better. I’m honestly in favour of lukaku taking a stint on the sideline just to see these two get a chance to establish a run together. It’s Yorke and cole on speed.

Mourinho needs a focal point for his attacks though and neither Martial nor Rashford offer that.

A 4321 would work wonders if we had super attacking full backs to provide the width though.

 

[SteveW]

Not sure why you're bothering with this guy.

Yeah. I'm done.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Mourinho needs a focal point for his attacks though and neither Martial nor Rashford offer that.

A 4321 would work wonders if we had super attacking full backs to provide the width though.

But it’s about what I want. What does Jose know?

 

[P-Nut]

But it’s about what I want. What does Jose know?

Jose is god

 

[haram]

Completely baffling that people dont see why Martial on the right would be a problem. You guys really are something else. This has nothing to do with what is best for the team. You guys just want Martial on the pitch. Martial FC indeed.

 

[prtk0811]

A 4321 would work wonders if we had super attacking full backs to provide the width though.

Depends upon which team you are playing. Against the likes of liverpool city bayern barcelona even madrid it will not work. Against the minnows who sit deep it might.

 

[prtk0811]

Completely baffling that people dont see why Martial on the right would be a problem. You guys really are something else. This has nothing to do with what is best for the team. You guys just want Martial on the pitch. Martial FC indeed.

He is a versatile player, and with the right tactics he can play anywhere in the front line.

 

[RedStarUnited]

I have a feeling that Pep would have found a solution to get them both on the pitch...

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Completely baffling that people dont see why Martial on the right would be a problem. You guys really are something else. This has nothing to do with what is best for the team. You guys just want Martial on the pitch. Martial FC indeed.

James Milner has played every position on the pitch and done okay but you don’t think martial can switch wings?