Rashford at Dortmund with ETH would be hilariously funny
Marcus Rashford (out)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
I don't recall Andy Mitten U-Turned on anything. If so please post it in here.
It seem to me is that Rashford was being backed by the Glazers which explains why he remained here despite successive managers having issues with him, his ridiculously high salary (which placed him ahead of Salah for many years), the manager apologizing to him in public, something that would be unthinkable under Sir Alex, the way the club tried to bury Belfast gate and the speed Rashford fount himself back in the team after that. He's not the only player who was protected at United btw. According to the media Martial was on that very same boat as well.
Under such circumstances no manager could touch him. Which explains why Rashford's fall of grace conceded with INEOS taking control over the football side of the club. If Amorim was working under a pure Glazer regime then rest assured he'd have to kiss the ring just like every manager we had so far. Else he won't survive for long.
You are toally deluded if you think Rashford is going to command a fee anywhere near that of Havertz because other teams have seen his lack of application, plus his astronomical wages.
I like this scorched earth approach
I actually wouldn't put it past Ineos to be honest and I for one wouldn't mind it at all .
You mean you can clearly see he isn't interested in football?
A new manager appointed, Rashford is in Miami, LA or wherever he went... doesn't care about impressing the new coach.
A new coach has started, United are due to play a derby on the weekend but Rashford is out partying on Thursday, another sign of his attititude towards football.
Rashford on the pitch, does not try off the ball, another sign of his attitude.
The manager criticises Rashford and Garnacho, one buckled down and the other went crying to a journalist talking about a fresh challenge.
These are just things he has done since Amorim came, he has been like this for years. Ralf warned us about it, Ten Hag had issues with him too.
Rashford has the PR of CR7 but the attitude of a sunday league player.
You must be totally deluded since you conveniently just skipped over the part where I have repeatedly said that he needs to go on loan to raise his value. Also never said we will get exactly £65 Million, however we shouldn't be selling for £20M either. His wages are comparable to Havertz, Havertz isn't an all action player himself and Rashford is more talented than Havertz.
Exactly. Common sense tells us that Rashford is capable of producing in a better team in a weaker league. He has done it for us in patches so there no reason he can't do it somewhere else in the right environment. However, people have this hatred of Rashford so they will never admit it.
Technically known for that on occasion.
A loan might have the opposite effect, its a dice roll.
Are Dortmund planning to get him on loan or is it a permanent deal?
Loan.
Even if he is he hasn't shown it for the past two years, at least.
You're even more deluded if you think him going on loan somewhere will improve his value. We need to sell now before he is exposed to the greater football world as the fraud he is. The more he plays the lower his value goes.
Weren't there reports coming out, think it was under Mourinho, that Martial wasn't for sale because he was one of the Glazers favourites? I feel I remember something like that coming out. So I can definitely believe that Rashford, being a MU kid and everything, was protected as well.
TBF there's a reason behind the madness. United is a huge sponsorship juggernaut. That beast always needed a face whether its Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo or Rashford. That doesn't come instantly. Time and PR is invested on the player and when he leaves he ends up taking a chunk of that with him. I remember an old interview were they basically explained how Real Madrid kickstarted their sponsorship empire by taking Beckham away from us.
In the past football always came before business. Its evident that after SAF retired the priorities flipped with Woodward naively thinking that success doesn't matter at a club like Manchester United as money will keep flowing in either way. Thus the club started protecting their 'assets' more even to the expense of football success who was relegated to a 'nice to have' rather then our main goal.
Oh I know, it's still stupid and "suicidal" football wise, because look where we are now because those greedy idiots acted like that. Sadly football (and Man Utd) is becoming more and more a business than a sport. Woodwards "Disney world" selling point is a perfect example of that.
Yeah he's someone who needs help but likely won't seek it out because of the people around him.
People have even posted what Ole said in these threads but some posters still harp on spreading misinformation.
Yes Rashford is being problematic. No need to exaggerate like is common with football fans. Always with the extremes.
Can we not use nuance? It's so hard to see all the time that we can't expect that from the debates.
Mitten didn't do a u-turn. He just clarified that it wasn't as serious as others interpreted it and he said still believes in Marcus. That doesn't sound like someone who thinks he's a bad person or bad influence.
Rashford's issues with managers based on the information in the public have not been anything major regarding disrespect or anything close to being banned. It's him not being professional all the time and slacking off then getting back to it in a roller coaster fashion and not unlocking his full potential.
16 days in and still no movement. Rashers,casemiro and anthony. Lads take the hint and do one. Dragging their heels to get paid more towards end of window probably.
I have heard some bad things about him, from people who hang about in those circles.
He is apparently out all night in casinos and china whites nightclub. He has literally stuck 2 fingers up to his career, and he doesn't seem to care. He is an extremely wealthy man already, but has unfortunately crawled up his own back package.
Amorim is spot on getting him out of the way. We are embarking on an epic journey. Either you get on the bus and take part, or get off now.
He is apparently out all night in casinos and china whites nightclub. He has literally stuck 2 fingers up to his career, and he doesn't seem to care. He is an extremely wealthy man already, but has unfortunately crawled up his own back package.
Amorim is spot on getting him out of the way. We are embarking on an epic journey. Either you get on the bus and take part, or get off now.
He is, but it's all about perception. Mount was 23 when we signed him, people were still talking about his MOTM performance in the CL and the time he was Chelsea's POTY. The perception of Rashford is at the lowest it's ever been, really. And he's not been in the squad for over 8 matches.
On the other hand, someone being paid a world class equivalent wage should be showing an awful lot more on the pitch than Rashford has.
He doesn't even put an effort in, just strolls around as if he's too good to work hard.
Dortmund are a poor underdog story who regularly sell all their best players for silly money but never spend any of that money and never win anything. They aren't a serious football club, so expect a loan where they pay about 10% of his salary.
THE TEAM hasn't shown it. THE TEAM has 23 points in 20 matches with a negative goal difference. THE TEAM has lost multiple games with Rashford out of the team. Tell the entire situation. You are leaving out information to make your point which makes you disingenuous.
Yes, Rashford has some responsibility but so does the club. ALL of our players are inconsistent. We don't have any world class players in our team. You should step out of fantasy land so you can stop pretending that Rashford is surrounded by Ballon D'or winners and he is this one awful outlier.
Havertz has played in better Arsenal and Chelsea teams. You ramble on about nonsense. This personal vendetta that you have against a player that you don't know personally is very odd. You need mental help.
Tbf I would have told Mourinho to feck off as well, he wanted a 20 year old top talent sold for fecking Perisic, and then later benched him for a washed Sanchez.
No I'm not deluded in thinking a talented player who will be playing in a better team in a weaker league will perform better..it's actually common sense.
Hahaha some of you are odd with this 'fraud' nonsense. Grow up kid.
His value is at the lowest, won't go lower unless he literally commits a crime. You don't sell a player when his value is absolutely its lowest especially when the club own actions have driven down his value.
You don't think him openly refusing to try hasn't reduced his worth? You don't think that, maybe, this is the reason he's not in the squad? Or his well reported gallivanting around going on the piss? It's just the club's fault, right?
Rashford doesn't seem the type of player Conte would tolerate
Unless he changes his attititude completely I don't ever want to see him anywhere near the first team again.
What about the seasons previous to this one?
"Few hours"..... but its been 3 days.... any minute now?
How much he's being paid is irrelevant, I would expect any professional footballer to be putting more effort in, if he was only being paid 20K a week it still wouldnt be acceptable
Rashford’s bad seasons pretty much correlate to when we’ve been bad as a team. Now, there’s a fair argument that he could have done more in those seasons and instead went into a negative spiral himself. However, whenever we’ve had a (relatively) happy and functional team around him he’s tended to produce.
Of course, it’s possible he has totally lost his way now. However, I’d like to see him in a different environment before concluding that’s definitely the case.
We need to stop with these loans. Either sell or leave them home. Surely there’s a club that would want him. It’s his stupid wage demands that make it impossible. That’s his own choice though.
No idea how to link on here but the latest statement on his Instagram, No idea what he's on about or who the rapper is
There's far too much noise around him, no one is bigger than the club. Hope we can get him shifted
There's far too much noise around him, no one is bigger than the club. Hope we can get him shifted