Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

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IMO another great business by INEOS. Under Woodward/Murtough we would have paid his full salary and had a lower buy option. They probably wouldn't have managed to find a club anyway

Next Casemiro and Shaw in the summer please
 
Understandable that he'd rather stay in Manchester and commute. Takes an extra 10 minutes to fly to Belfast from Birmingham.
 
This just feels so strange. Marcus Rashford to Aston Villa just sounds... wrong. Oh well, they have a good manager and a squad that won't have to rely on him as the only output - so he will probably do quite well.
They are barely outscoring us.
 
Really does. Sad how is worked out but I'm admittedly not feeling anything right now but relief.
Yeah, should be heartbroken, loved him as a youngster, my young lad adored him, has the jerseys, the Rashford scarf but even he, 15 years old, is sick of the sight of him. Terrible really but I'm not conflicted in the slightest.
 
Ability without application is absolutely worthless.
Hence why I used the Lukaku comparison. He packed it in 6 months into his Chelsea career and they still managed to get nearly 40m for him around 18 months later, and during that period he hadn't played a single minute for Chelsea.
 
Did the press regularly print pics of Rashford? Can't remember, once or twice, sure, but not weekly, imo. It reeks putting the blame on an easy target.

Rashford is a class talent, the manager should be able to make it work instead of exiling and getting in different personal. The manager is the much older person, it doesn't look good on him, IMO.

I think United will regret this one. He's one of the us, he should have ended his career here.
Talk about delusional :lol:
 
Did the press regularly print pics of Rashford? Can't remember, once or twice, sure, but not weekly, imo. It reeks putting the blame on an easy target.

Rashford is a class talent, the manager should be able to make it work instead of exiling and getting in different personal. The manager is the much older person, it doesn't look good on him, IMO.

I think United will regret this one. He's one of the us, he should have ended his career here.
This sounds like Rashford PR, pics or not, there were constant talk of private parties in Manchester. Then articles in the media, followed by Andy Mitten revelations he had a issues with every Manager.

And recently Rooney and Gary Neville discussion about his training being bad for around 2 years. Then there is the many comps showing his complete lack of trying:



He gets dropped for partying 2 days before a match and training badly next day (was actually second time he got caught doing so days before a match), does interview saying he wants to leave. Then continues to not train properly when we needed him the most. Hojlund and Zirkzee getting the brunt of the criticism due to lack of goals.

If it was Fergie, as soon as he saw any signs of this, he would have informed the club to sell, in the nearest window. Ruben has done the correct thing, I don't care if Rashford finally wakes up and has another purple patch, he didn't do it for us and was completely unprofessional.

If I go to work, knackered and hungover constantly and then when you get disciplined you stop doing your job (attending meetings, deliverables etc). Is it down to my manager to correct that? No, it is down to me or I will get sacked!

I completely disagree with your post!
 
40 million and his wages off the books would be massive, let’s hope he can give a shit and show Villa he’s worth triggering the buy option.
 
This sounds like Rashford PR, pics or not, there were constant talk of private parties in Manchester. Then articles in the media, followed by Andy Mitten revelations he had a issues with every Manager.

And recently Rooney and Gary Neville discussion about his training being bad for around 2 years. Then there is the many comps showing his complete lack of trying:



He gets dropped for partying 2 days before a match and training badly next day (was actually second time he got caught doing so days before a match), does interview saying he wants to leave. Then continues to not train properly when we needed him the most. Hojlund and Zirkzee getting the brunt of the criticism due to lack of goals.

If it was Fergie, as soon as he saw any signs of this, he would have informed the club to sell, in the nearest window. Ruben has done the correct thing, I don't care if Rashford finally wakes up and has another purple patch, he didn't do it for us and was completely unprofessional.

If I go to work, knackered and hungover constantly and then when you get disciplined you stop doing your job (attending meetings, deliverables etc). Is it down to my manager to correct that? No, it is down to me or I will get sacked!

I completely disagree with your post!

To be fair he's started putting in the effort again this season but I'm afraid the years of neglect has caught up to him. Maybe this episode will rekindle his interest in honing his craft. Time will tell.
 
I don't really get the merit of the option to buy. What's the point of it? If he does really well he's obviously worth more than £40m and other teams will be interested. If he does shit they don't pay it. It doesn't seem to benefit us.
 
I don't really get the merit of the option to buy. What's the point of it? If he does really well he's obviously worth more than £40m and other teams will be interested. If he does shit they don't pay it. It doesn't seem to benefit us.
And Villa should take him on without the chance to keep him why.....?
 
Not happy. We pay his wages so he can play for other team. Some of them. We don’t include obligation to buy. Instead some nonsens about option for 40m? If we ever get that money for him I would be very delighted but I’m not sure Aston Villa is that crazy.

He should be in the stands unless we are sure about him being sold.
There was 2 days left, and to be honest we have done brilliantly to get this deal, previously we have had to pay much more percentage, we are having to delay with the previous mismanagement of contract negotiations with our players.
 
Real shame it’s ending this way. Seeing Dorgu, a danish kid who had played for Lecce for a hot minute and has no connection to the city get a send off from their fans while Rashford, a local boy who’s been at the club for a long time and played 400+ games and scored 130+ goals, leave under a dark cloud and in acrimony like this…it’s just not right.

Hope he reignites his career and gets a permanent transfer in the summer. It’s the best for everyone.
The real shame is the club giving him 300k+ per week and he was walking on the pitch !!!
The real shame is his attitude, performance & emotion !!!
 
And Villa should take him on without the chance to keep him why.....?
They'd get a chance to keep him regardless. But if Rashford does well and someone comes in and offers a deal worth £50m, Villa's option is redundant. Unless I'm missing something?
 
To be fair he's started putting in the effort again this season but I'm afraid the years of neglect has caught up to him. Maybe this episode will rekindle his interest in honing his craft. Time will tell.
I don't see any evidence of that under Ruben.
 
They'd get a chance to keep him regardless. But if Rashford does well and someone comes in and offers a deal worth £50m, Villa's option is redundant. Unless I'm missing something?
If Villa trigger the option he's theirs, doesn't matter what other offers you get. Rashford himself has no say in it. He's already signed a pre-contract with them which comes into effect if they trigger the buy option
 
I was hoping with obligation to buy.

Question, does option to buy works both ways? As in, if Rashford performed well and othe club offer us 60M then we don't really need to sell to Villa at 40M?
 
I was hoping with obligation to buy.

Question, does option to buy works both ways? As in, if Rashford performed well and othe club offer us 60M then we don't really need to sell to Villa at 40M?
Nope. If another club offers 60, Villa can trigger the option, then sell him for 60. Neither United nor Rashford have any say in it
 
A great day. You put in his level of effort you get moved out. A positive message to everyone from the academy to the first team.
 
But we're not getting that £60m based on his current form - he's only being loaned out based on that. And it doesn't even seem like we're getting a loan fee. The fee being discussed is if the loan is a success, and his stock returns high again, when he's sold in the summer.

And then £40m for a 27 year old in form striker, that might well have the likes of Barcelona and other clubs interested, is suddenly below market value.

If we'd got Villa to agree to an obligation to buy at £40m now, when his stock is low, then I'd agree that's a good figure and we couldn't have got any club to agree to any more at this stage. But agreeing to £40m only as an option to buy - so only if he finds his form and does well - seems like we've agreed to sell him for that figure only if his stock goes higher and the fee becomes below market value.
You've mentioned market value a couple of times there, but what do you actually think the market value is for a player who's performed like Rashford has for as long as he has now, together with the huge wages he's on?

The relative lack of serious interest in him during this window is an indication of what his market value is. And by serious I mean serious from United's perspective.
 
If Villa trigger the option he's theirs, doesn't matter what other offers you get. Rashford himself has no say in it. He's already signed a pre-contract with them which comes into effect if they trigger the buy option
Are you sure about that?
I thought they had the first option if someone else offered 40m but if anyone offers more they'd have to match it and also Rashford has to agree to the move?
 
You've mentioned market value a couple of times there, but what do you actually think the market value is for a player who's performed like Rashford has for as long as he has now, together with the huge wages he's on?

The relative lack of serious interest in him during this window is an indication of what his market value is. And by serious I mean serious from United's perspective.
I think his market value now is clearly much lower than £60m. Which is why I've said a good few times that if we'd sold him now for £40m - or got an obligation for it regardless of the loan success - then I'd be very pleased with that figure.

The discussion about his market value being above £40m is should the loan be a success - which, being only an option to buy, is the only real scenario that Villa would take it up. In that case, if we're talking of off the back of a Lingard at West Ham type loan, then his stock would be much higher and that's when £40m for an in form and PL proven 27 year old striker would be below market value.

Don't get me wrong though. I've no expectation that any upturn in Rashford's form would be long term. I think he's a moody, inconsistent performer who has purple patches every so often. I'm just saying that, without an obligation to buy, then the advantage of a loan should be that it puts him in the shop window if he has one of those purple patches. But by agreeing to a lower fee when his stock is low, we've removed that advantage to ourselves and handed control to Villa instead.

When the loan with an option for Tel is discussed, I'm seeing the same thing I'm saying here being said about us (just from the opposite point of view) - that it would be a clever move to get an option to buy with an agreed fee, as otherwise if he succeeds here the selling club (Bayern) would push up the price. That's the same thing I'd have liked us to have the opportunity to do should Rashford's loan be a success. And it's clever negotiating by Villa to remove that opportunity.
 
It's the first dent in Amorims reputation that he's unable to get Rashford firing again and destroyed him publicly?
Are you feeling alright ? It’s been reported that Rashford has had disciplinary problems pretty much from the minute Mourinho was fired and was called out by Rangnick and ETH but Amorim is the first to really do anything about it, also Rooney said Rashford has been doing this for a couple of years and he told him he should leave United.

Every manager has tried to get Rashford firing and outside of that anomaly 4-5 month period where everything Rashford did went in after the World Cup he’s been fecking awful on the pitch, every single time he’s called out for it his PR team come out with all the charity work and off the field stuff to deflect how piss poor he’s been on the pitch.

It’s a shame to see how it’s played out but it isn’t on the managers or coaching team seeing as he’s played under 5 managers since Jose called him out and they can’t all be wrong, it’s on Rashford to apply himself properly by training properly then giving 100% in matches he’s selected to play in which is the fecking bare minimum to expect from your highest earner who’s being paid £350K a week.

No genuine United supporter can back or defend Rashford when Amorim didn’t single Rashford out as he called both Rashford AND Garnacho out and from that you’d think that the kid who idolises Ronaldo would be the one that may sulk rather than the local lad who’s a senior player and team leader yet Rashford comes out publicly declaring he wants a new challenge, problem is every club has seen through his PR and he’s seen he isn’t anywhere near as desirable as he believed he was and the best he could do is Villa.
 
Nope. If another club offers 60, Villa can trigger the option, then sell him for 60. Neither United nor Rashford have any say in it
They could trigger the option and get Rashford with Rashford having no say, but to sell him on Rashford would have to agree and sign an additional contract.
 
If Villa trigger the option he's theirs, doesn't matter what other offers you get. Rashford himself has no say in it. He's already signed a pre-contract with them which comes into effect if they trigger the buy option
Ah, makes sense. For some reason I thought we'd still have the chance to reject the deal if we decided to do so.
 
Must've been hard for Rashford to accept that deal, I think he thought much bigger clubs would be interested in him. Reality is a bitch, hopefully he does well enough for villa to trigger that buy option as I don't think there's a way back for him here.
 
Will score a few in his first few games, enough effort to trigger the buy.... then disappear quickly next year. Can't believe United have got someone to pay well over the 50% mark of his wages for at least 6 months, yet alone a potential £40m on top... admittedly, Chelsea would still get like £80m straight up magically, but it's a positive step.

We've seen this story relentlessly. Villa isn't big enough to itch the egos of Rashford for long, just like it wasn't Coutinho.
 
I wouldn't fancy commuting to Brum and back daily, that M6 is mental apart from the toll road, especially at rush hour. It'd be 3-4 hours of driving a day if that's the case. Of course, Rashford probably wouldn't do the driving but it's still a fair chunk of his day travelling.
 
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