Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

[OldSchoolManc]

There are many reasons for the option rather than obligation to buy.
A) the only offer actually viable
B) the only actual offer
C) the player keeping options open
D) Villa keeping options open

Really hope he has a purple patch. Surely he can manage that for a few months?!

 

[Stinkypete]

So we’re to believe Marcus called someone to confirm his travel daily plans before a medical
So many gullible people wanting to believe everything they read by sports reporters…

Henry winter has facilitated Rashford PR for quite some time.

 

[TwoSheds]

Why the feck are we including a buy option clause? That’s absolute madness. It’s of no benefit at all to us and, if Rashford tears it up, we will have the best clubs in Europe lining up to sign him.

If the best clubs in Europe are in for him, do you think he's going to choose to play UEFA Cup with Villa?

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Relieved that's finally over. The situation was in danger of turning toxic with the fanbase if he stayed past January. At least now he'll get a good reception when he next turns up at Old Trafford.

If Villa think they're getting another Watkins-type of pacey striker who plays off the last shoulder then they're sorely mistaken. He hasn't been that type of player in 5 years.

A decent replacement for Jacob Ramsey on the left, I guess. You'd imagine he'll contribute enough for them to want to trigger the 40m option.

 

[Maluco]

His influence and example were such that he needed to go, even for free, to break player power at the club. The same power and influence that has broken us for years now.

The fact we could get rid of his wage AND get 40 million of pure profit!? It would be a dream scenario.

Amorim knows this is the only way to assert control of the dressing room. A contract termination would have been great, 40 million will be phenomenal! Let’s hope he does enough.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

United are never going to get £60m for him given the wages he’s on, never mind the form he’s in.

But we're not getting that £60m based on his current form - he's only being loaned out based on that. And it doesn't even seem like we're getting a loan fee. The fee being discussed is if the loan is a success, and his stock returns high again, when he's sold in the summer.

And then £40m for a 27 year old in form striker, that might well have the likes of Barcelona and other clubs interested, is suddenly below market value.

If we'd got Villa to agree to an obligation to buy at £40m now, when his stock is low, then I'd agree that's a good figure and we couldn't have got any club to agree to any more at this stage. But agreeing to £40m only as an option to buy - so only if he finds his form and does well - seems like we've agreed to sell him for that figure only if his stock goes higher and the fee becomes below market value.

 

[Pexbo]

This feels like its half for us, and half for Marcus directly.

Winter seems to have a real soft spot for him and is almost trying to give him some advice.

Will be interesting to see how this goes. If Emery can facilitate a switch in Rashford then he really would be a miracle worker.

All this business about Emery being the coach to get the best of of Marcus is wearing a bit thin already. It’s always down to someone else with him. He’s got a perfectly good coach right now that is beginning to get the best out of some of our players. Garnacho is responding to him, Zirkzee is, Amad has, Bruno is cooking again.

It’s entirely down to Rashford’s lack of application and if he pulls the same shit with Emery he will get the same result.

 

[Jam]

If the best clubs in Europe are in for him, do you think he's going to choose to play UEFA Cup with Villa?

This.

As I understand it Villa can activate it, and Rashford as pre-agreed terms to ease process, but come Summer if he’s turned up and turned it on big style Villa could activate the clause and we would have to accept but Rashford can still decline the move.

Basically we’re locked into a £40m fee only IF Rashford chooses to go to Villa.

Albeit it hurts our negotiations with others somewhat, but it’s all up to Rashford.

 

[hellhunter]

Getting Villa to cover 75-90% of his wages really isn't a bad deal for us

 

[tenpoless]

What are the chances of him winning 4 CLs with Villa and return back to United when he's 36?

 

[bgoodall]

Show me the money! 40m would be insane.

 

[elmo]

What are the chances of him winning 4 CLs with Villa and return back to United when he's 36?

There’s higher chances of us winning the league this year.

 

[daba]

I hope he does well for 3 months, they buy him and he reverts to his usuall self.

Yeah exactly this. I hope he has a Lingard at West Ham type renaissance, gets them into Europe next season and then once he’s earned that buy out, slumps and starts hitting the nightclubs again.

 

[Pexbo]

So basically villa pays around 200k for a 6 month boost on their CL campaign. Massive shirt sales boost as he's Rashford after all.

No obligation to buy. They could have just said thank you we dont want him comes next season and we'll be back to square one

But at least we've saved 200k and he can get play time, better than rotting in reserves

Not out in the wood just yet. Even if he bangs a few goals 300k permanent deal is too much, unless he magically pulls a Messi, which i doubt.

We've been mugged. But hey beggars can't choose

The money they will get from selling Rashford shirts will be trivial. The only people buying that shirt is the Villa fanbase which is a fraction of the United fan base and who exactly do you think will be buying a shirt over half way through the season when a new shirt will be issued in 3 months and there’s doubts over whether this guy will even bother to show up?

I’d bet my house they sell less than 250 shirts with his name on the back. If he signs permanently they will sell more of course but it’s not going to cover a fraction of his wages.

 

[Jippy]

It's because he's not backing it up with performances on the pitch. That's why it bothers me. Shows that he's more concerned about image and ego rather than playing football at this point.

If he was doing his job properly on the pitch, he could dress up like a clown and it wouldn't bother me at all.

Most footballers dress pretty outlandishly to me, but fashion among super-rich young men is an alien world to me. The idea that it's ok for the ones playing well, but the ultimate for those playing badly is frankly bizarre though.

There's plenty enough to judge from his performances on the pitch, body language, media messaging, Amorim's statements etc, without puerile gripes that he isn't wearing staid clothing in his free time.

 

[Freak]

Good deal for us. Hope he does well and Villa trigger the buy option in the summer

 

[Overhaul FC]

I'm torn about a £40m buy option - but not a guarnteed one.

Yes, it seems a good figure now, and if we were selling him now for £40m - when his stock is at it's lowest - I'd be delighted with the amount.

But we're not selling him now. We're only loaning him out. And not even a loan with a guarantee to buy. So a bad loan, and his stock even lower, we don't get £40m. A good loan - like Lingard had at West Ham - and his stock going high again, suddenly he's marketable for much more than £40m, with other suitors probably interested then, but Villa get to buy him for that figure.

I guess we're not in a strong negotiating place once again, but it does seem that Villa get a win-win situation for them - they either get to jettison him if he fails, or snap up a striker below market value if he's a success; while we either get lumbered with an even bigger flop returning from a failed loan, or miss out on the potential for a bigger sale if the loan goes well.

My hope now is that the loan goes well enough for Villa to take up the option, but not so well that it'll feel like we could've been getting more than that if we'd just used the loan to put him in the shop window for the summer.

We would be lucky to get any kind of money in the summer, for a club stupid enough to take his wages on. £40m is a great price for a potentially nothing player the rest of his career.

If he turns his career around then well done to him and his new club. But right now he's a pace merchant that lost his pace. He's a 3 legged donkey and we need to get rid asap.

 

[DRJosh]

It is however an option. Don't buy villa have any intention of using it especially once they see him

Our players tend to do alright when they leave the club. Fingers crossed he does enough

 

[Bertie Wooster]

We aren’t cutting and running though - that would be if Villa had an obligation to buy. An option for Villa means that we lose all control - he has a Lingard like loan and we don’t get the benefit of other clubs being interested. He is awful and Villa don’t exercise it anyway.

Yep, agree with this.

That's the point being argued about the £40m fee - if we'd sold him now for that, or got an obligation to buy, then that would be fine. Couldn't do better at this stage.

It's the combination of only loaning him out now (without a loan fee it seems), not getting an obligation to buy, but allowing Villa to get an 'option' to buy at £40m that feels poor / desperate negotiating. As the one advantage of a loan without an obligation for us should be that he's in the shop window and if has a good loan (the only reason Villa would take up the option) then we could have been getting more.

Happy to get £40m if it was now, or an obligation to buy regardless of how the loan went. Poor to agree to let Villa have the option at £40m.

People seem to be confident that, if it's a success, Rashford will simply refuse to join Villa and we'll still get higher bids from other clubs anyway. I'm not sure how often these options to buy are broken by the player / selling club like that? Seems to make them pretty meaningless, and reflects very poorly on the player and selling club if they do that. What examples are there of players / clubs doing that?

 

[AltiUn]

Are these kind of posts a wind up? Rashford is making no effort, therefore he's not better than anyone. Waste of space.

Nah, that poster just went extremely reactionary early on with Amorim now constantly downplays him to avoid taking accountability for his stupid posts

 

[90 + 5min]

Not happy. We pay his wages so he can play for other team. Some of them. We don’t include obligation to buy. Instead some nonsens about option for 40m? If we ever get that money for him I would be very delighted but I’m not sure Aston Villa is that crazy.

He should be in the stands unless we are sure about him being sold.

 

[Jam]

The money they will get from selling Rashford shirts will be trivial. The only people buying that shirt is the Villa fanbase which is a fraction of the United fan base and who exactly do you think will be buying a shirt over half way through the season when a new shirt will be issued in 3 months and there’s doubts over whether this guy will even bother to show up?

I’d bet my house they sell less than 250 shirts with his name on the back. If he signs permanently they will sell more of course but it’s not going to cover a fraction of his wages.

I don’t get the shirt sales thing; it’s such an old fashioned comment. Sports brands pay the club a set fee for X years and they get the money from shirt sales.

Rashford isn’t going to sell enough Villa shirts to make any sort of difference in the next sponsor negotiations.

It’s chemtrails, woke DEI and gay frog chemicals level ranting.

Regardless how have we been mugged off? - we’re getting =>75% of this guys wages off our books. So whatever the baseline actually is - let’s pretend it’s £300,000. Give or take 16 weeks of minimum £200,000 saved off our books is north of £3m.

We’ve got a player out of the club, albeit temporarily, who is a toxic influence on other players and the fanbase. A player who publicly stated he wanted to leave and practically pulled a Ronaldo/Piers. And in doing so have saved >£3m.

On top of that we’ve pre-negotiated a deal with Villa to move him on permanently. Even if he does “okay” they may agree to buy him.

If he rocks up and plays four months like Messi then he obviously will turn Villa down and we’ll be free to negotiate anew with any other clubs who come in for him.

We couldn’t sell him this window because of circumstance with other clubs positions and finances, and Rashford’s own demands.

This is a best case outcome for everyone involved, for better or worse.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Should be a straight loan with no set transfer fee either way, Villa need a forward at short notice and we should be putting him in the shop window.

 

[Darkhorsez]

All this business about Emery being the coach to get the best of of Marcus is wearing a bit thin already. It’s always down to someone else with him. He’s got a perfectly good coach right now that is beginning to get the best out of some of our players. Garnacho is responding to him, Zirkzee is, Amad has, Bruno is cooking again.

It’s entirely down to Rashford’s lack of application and if he pulls the same shit with Emery he will get the same result.

Perfectly put

 

[Adisa]

The club has a big responsibility in how this has gone. We gave an academy developed player a £200k a week contract at age 20/21.

 

[Oldyella]

Not happy. We pay his wages so he can play for other team. Some of them. We don’t include obligation to buy. Instead some nonsens about option for 40m? If we ever get that money for him I would be very delighted but I’m not sure Aston Villa is that crazy.

He should be in the stands unless we are sure about him being sold.

And then we are paying even more wages for him not to play.

 

[LukeChadwick36]

Most footballers dress pretty outlandishly to me, but fashion among super-rich young men is an alien world to me. The idea that it's ok for the ones playing well, but the ultimate for those playing badly is frankly bizarre though.

There's plenty enough to judge from his performances on the pitch, body language, media messaging, Amorim's statements etc, without puerile gripes that he isn't wearing staid clothing in his free time.

Ignoring what he wears when he goes out - he is free to wear what he wants of course and these lads are in insane shape, have untold money - they buy weird clothes and can get away with it.

But you cant be turning up to training in mad clobber and your orange lambo (Phil Jones anyone?) and then not perform on the training pitch. Its a horrible message to kids.

I may be wrong, but did Fergie have a clothes/car rule at the Cliff and Carrington? No mad garish cars in the carpark etc?

makes me respect Kante more at Chelsea. One of the best players in Europe and rocked up to training in a bog standard Mini. Now thats a lad who was a role model for any young footballer.

 

[Adisa]

It's the first dent in Amorims reputation that he's unable to get Rashford firing again and destroyed him publicly?

Got to be a joke.

 

[steeeb]

75% up to 90%, with 40m option is good. Hopefully he gives enough effort for 6 months to make it happen so we can reinvest it.

 

[youngrell]

I don’t get people complaining. We need his wages off the books and his poor attitude out of the squad. We also need transfer funds and if Villa take up the option we get that. If they don’t, we will still look to sell in the summer and could possibly get more than 40m depending on how he performs.

If he does absolutely brilliantly for Villa, 40m may look like a steal, but they are doing us a favour with removing his wages and negative attention for the rest of the season. Majority of us no longer want him around either, so be thankful someone has come along and given us a hand.

 

[Judas]

Not happy. We pay his wages so he can play for other team. Some of them. We don’t include obligation to buy. Instead some nonsens about option for 40m? If we ever get that money for him I would be very delighted but I’m not sure Aston Villa is that crazy.

He should be in the stands unless we are sure about him being sold.

Benefits no one. This is good business and allows us to improve the side, which I hope we do this window.

 

[Wilt]

Brilliant!

 

[Jippy]

Ignoring what he wears when he goes out - he is free to wear what he wants of course and these lads are in insane shape, have untold money - they buy weird clothes and can get away with it.

But you cant be turning up to training in mad clobber and your orange lambo (Phil Jones anyone?) and then not perform on the training pitch. Its a horrible message to kids.

I may be wrong, but did Fergie have a clothes/car rule at the Cliff and Carrington? No mad garish cars in the carpark etc?

makes me respect Kante more at Chelsea. One of the best players in Europe and rocked up to training in a bog standard Mini. Now thats a lad who was a role model for any young footballer.

I know what you mean, but if you're paying hundreds of thousands to guys in their early 20s it's unrealistic to expect them to wear M&S clothing and drive Ford Fiestas.
Didn't know that about Kante but I liked that Klinsmann drove a Beetle.

 

[spwd]

70% is ok, 40m is almost an insult. 60m minimum in the current market.

 

[LukeChadwick36]

I know what you mean, but if you're paying hundreds of thousands to guys in their early 20s it's unrealistic to expect them to wear M&S clothing and drive Ford Fiestas.
Didn't know that about Kante but I liked that Klinsmann drove a Beetle.

Haha, yeah fair. My boss has a £120k Bentley. Parked beside my heap of shite, it doesn’t really demotivate me from doing my job i suppose!

 

[spwd]

Brilliant

 

[BarstoolProphet]

70% is ok, 40m is almost an insult. 60m minimum in the current market.

The current market is telling us that clubs all over Europe are trying to lower their salary levels and prefer to pay higher transfer fees to compensate. We are finally starting to join the party, but having the likes of Rashford and Case and to some extent Antony (based on talent) on silly wages means we are unable to shift them for decent fees in the current market. Add to that Rashford is rightfully persona non grata under the current management and 40m suddenly looks like close to max of what we could hope for.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Most footballers dress pretty outlandishly to me, but fashion among super-rich young men is an alien world to me. The idea that it's ok for the ones playing well, but the ultimate for those playing badly is frankly bizarre though.

There's plenty enough to judge from his performances on the pitch, body language, media messaging, Amorim's statements etc, without puerile gripes that he isn't wearing staid clothing in his free time.

Really?

I thought that's the kind of thing often said about people - you can get away with X when you're delivering results and it's not seen as effecting your performance or professional commitment; but as soon as those performances regularly dip, it becomes an issue and you can't get away with it.

I thought that was said by professionals when Rashford has been out on the drink after United defeats - it's not great either way, but you can get away with it more if you've just had a great game and your team won; if you're playing badly and you've just lost, then it's a really terrible look.

Same kind of thing seems to be applied to other forms of flash lifestyle while performing poorly on the pitch - especially when seemingly giving little effort, and having your professionalism questioned by your managers. It all starts to add up to a seeming poor sense of priorities and lack of professional commitment.

 

[Roane]

I've never rated Rashy as much as some folk. I did have a soft spot for him with the whole academy kid and cheered as much as the next man in his good scoring season.

I thought his wages were a travesty, not his fault at all, because he wasn't that good a player (£300k+ a week).

He needs to get away from Manchester to get away from distractions, like Rio has often said about leaving London. Get his head down and perform.

Come end of the season he then has options. Even, dare I say, a return to UTD.

 

[SteveCoppellFan]

Not sure how any United fan can defend him, i'm assuming there are fans who are still defending him ?

This is a local boy who has basically decided he cannot be bothered to put in the effort to play for United anymore even though he's paid an absolute fortune.

Quite remarkable really, he's clearly not thinking straight and is getting terrible advice from people close to him.