Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

[lolok]

If the motive is to eliminate the highest earners, I understand that, but that's something that should be done in the summer, not halfway through the season when we're middle of the table, on the verge of scoring the fewest goals in the league we've ever scored, and staring at the prospect of a knockout tournament that is our one and only hope of qualifying for the Champions League.

Sell Rashford in the summer if you must; right now we desperately need a player who is capable of scoring goals and playing Rashford for the rest of the season gives us a better chance of scoring goals than playing Hojlund, Zirkzee, or Garnacho.

There is one and only one scenario in which this move makes sense right now, and that's if we pull off a shock move tomorrow to bring in an attacking player. If that happens, I will look at this situation in hindsight feeling differently; if it doesn't happen, then it's a stupid move right now.

Todd,

You just don't get it. RA came in and expects a certain level of professionalism. Rashford and Garnacho were not up to those levels of professionalism. Garnacho buckled down and worked his way back into the team. Rashford went public and said he wanted a new challenge.

Rashford quit on the darn team. Rashford is done. It's not about eliminating the highest earners, it is about getting rid of someone who is not good for the culture. It's about getting rid of someone who already quit on the team.

Yeah, Rashford may score more goals than Hojlund, but it's not about that. RA is trying to build a title winning team here, and to do so, you need buy in and commitment from EVERYONE. It's a slap in the face to those who give it their all, while someone else is exempt from the same standard. You CANNOT have that in a team. Everyone is subjected to the same standard or it all falls apart. No one cares if Rashford would score more goals than Hojland the rest of the way-- it's not about that. It's about Rashfords lack of commitment and publicly quitting the team. Rashford thought he was special and could get away with it like he has in the past, but we finally have a manager who doesn't put up with bad behavior. It really is a breath of fresh air to have a manager who expects higher standards out of the players.

You go tell your boss that you are looking for a new challenge. Guess what, your boss will go, OK, see ya. bye. It doesn't matter if you are better than the person who takes over your job. Your boss will be happy to get your lazy, bad attitude self out of the company.

Sorry you like Rashford, but he has to go. He is done at United, barring a miracle of all miracles.

I don't want any quitters on the team. I don't want any lazy people on the team. I don't want any unprofessional players on the team.

I want United to get back to winning, and you don't win with quitters and you don't win with lazy people.

 

[leontas]

We should stop paying young players so much money. That's the lesson.

We should stop paying anyone big money period. Only a select few players deserve £250k+ pw contracts. We’ve been giving them out like candy. It’s never worked out for us and it makes it insanely difficult to ship out the players later on.

 

[moodyred]

If the motive is to eliminate the highest earners, I understand that, but that's something that should be done in the summer, not halfway through the season when we're middle of the table, on the verge of scoring the fewest goals in the league we've ever scored, and staring at the prospect of a knockout tournament that is our one and only hope of qualifying for the Champions League.

Sell Rashford in the summer if you must; right now we desperately need a player who is capable of scoring goals and playing Rashford for the rest of the season gives us a better chance of scoring goals than playing Hojlund, Zirkzee, or Garnacho.

There is one and only one scenario in which this move makes sense right now, and that's if we pull off a shock move tomorrow to bring in an attacking player. If that happens, I will look at this situation in hindsight feeling differently; if it doesn't happen, then it's a stupid move right now.

I disagree. Selling Rashford now will send a message to the rest of the team. You either put your heart and soul into the game or move on. This will have greater impact than keeping Rashford and hoping he will have a change of mentality.

 

[r0663664]

Let's see Rashford amazing performance for the rest of the season and get Villa to sign him permanently. Once he moves to Villa, he will starts his same old shit again and Emery starts dropping him to the bench. I believe this will be the scenario. Rashford is somebody who talks well and sensible but yet he does not fully commit himself.

 

[DavelinaJolie]

It's pretty clear that he's detrimental to squad harmony/attitude as Amorim sees it. Yes, he's a better player than hojlund/zirkzee but his attitude is dreadful and it's clear that the manager feels it's impacting the squad. There are bigger things at stake than 'he's more talented than X'.

It's been interesting seeing some of the responses from Villa fans to this, some of whom think that actually the issues at United are the cause of all Rashford's problems, and he's just not been supported or loved enough by the club. Then some seem more wary about the move.

I don't know. I feel sad it came to this, but Christ it couldn't go on the way it was. The manager issued a challenge to him and he didn't step up. He's been dogging it on the pitch for a while, and was inconsistent a lot of the time anyway. The repeated incidents of going out partying. The probability of his being involved in the leaking of information. And this stuff is all before you get to things like his loss of top end pace, some of his infuriating decision making...

I suspect he goes to Villa and has a half decent return for them, scores a few goals and has a few assists, but not enough compelling performances for them to keep him around. So in the summer we're trying to find a buyer. Who knows, maybe Emery can get a tune out of him, but I think the loss of some physical ability might be a bigger problem than the lack of application.

 

[entropy]

todd, you just don’t get it.

 

[Red_toad]

We should stop paying anyone big money period. Only a select few players deserve £250k+ pw contracts. We’ve been giving them out like candy. It’s never worked out for us and it makes it insanely difficult to ship out the players later on.

The panic about players leaving on socials is horrendous. Like with Garnacho, no one can say long term he’s a shoe in for the system and will vastly improve.
I’m happy for INEOS to make some tough decisions, as long as the replacements are going to raise the functioning of the team as a whole. Then everyone needs to fit into a wage structure, where bonuses for performing well are earned, then there’s not the whole players look at what others earn. As Rashford and Casemiro sat on the bench/ stands, watching the team whilst earning in excess of half a million a week, will no longer be an issue.

 

[CG1010]

If the motive is to eliminate the highest earners, I understand that, but that's something that should be done in the summer, not halfway through the season when we're middle of the table, on the verge of scoring the fewest goals in the league we've ever scored, and staring at the prospect of a knockout tournament that is our one and only hope of qualifying for the Champions League.

Sell Rashford in the summer if you must; right now we desperately need a player who is capable of scoring goals and playing Rashford for the rest of the season gives us a better chance of scoring goals than playing Hojlund, Zirkzee, or Garnacho.

There is one and only one scenario in which this move makes sense right now, and that's if we pull off a shock move tomorrow to bring in an attacking player. If that happens, I will look at this situation in hindsight feeling differently; if it doesn't happen, then it's a stupid move right now.

The issue is about Rashford’s willingness to be part of Amorim’s tactical changes as confirmed by his mouthpiece journalist. Now we have seen the impact of Rashford’s preferred team tactics so I really don’t know if there was a scenario of Rashford staying at the club.

 

[TMDaines]

Leon fecking Bailey

 

[tenpoless]

Visca Barlla

 

[Ole'sattheWheel]

I don't think you are right about Eth part, the second season we changed from counter attacking football to something more progressive and Rashford couldn't do it.

Yeah that could be a factor too, that era is slightly hazy for me as I almost fully gave up on United at that point

 

[alexthelion]

That is not my intention. I have always been a big fan of Rashford and I believe that the situation could have been resolved when a new manager came in if the situation had been tackled in a different way.

It could have easily been, Rashford could have changed and tried hard.

 

[gaffs]

Rashford wasn't dropped because he's less talented than other options, he was dropped because when challenged on his professionalism and effort levels in training, he responded by immediately saying he wanted a new challenge publicly.

Garnacho was dropped for the same reason and has responded by working hard, thus earning back a spot in the squad and in what seems to be Amorim's starting XI for now.

Once ETH was sacked and Amorim appointed the priority of this season ceased to be about results, but rather establishing a system and style of play while figuring out who in the squad can and would be able to adapt to it. Rashford quit as soon as he faced criticism from the manager and he is rightfully exiting as a result.

Wish him all the best and the club itself needs to take a large share of the blame for how things have worked out with Marcus, but it's time for him to go.

You know think there is a push from upstairs, especially given Rashford is on 6 times what Garnacho is and clearly isn't performing at any higher level than Garnacho?

Jim Ratcliffe was probably happy when Kath Phipps came off the wage bill. He cut staff christmas bonuses by a couple of hundred quid. He wont pay 20k for a ex players fundraiser. He hikes the ticket price for OAPs and kids up from circa 20 to 66 pounds.

You not think getting 300k of the wage bill is massively attractive?

I still struggle with the idea that Rashford wasn't training upto standard for the best part of 6 weeks since the City game.

What does not training upto standard mean? Not following instruction? Not giving the required effort? Hands in his pockets?

Surely if a player is training that badly, then he would be booted out of the first team and into the under 18s or reserves? Why would Amorim want Rashford "training poorly" to be hanging about his first team squad.

For me, it is an excuse to push him out. I expect him to kick on at Villa because it is not like he will get a free ride under Emry.

And im not saying that its not the right thing to do, because when Rashford said he wanted a new challenge, then he deserved to be sidelined.

To progress the rebuild, we need him gone. He doenst fit and he is paid to much.

 

[Pav1878]

You know think there is a push from upstairs, especially given Rashford is on 6 times what Garnacho is and clearly isn't performing at any higher level than Garnacho?

Jim Ratcliffe was probably happy when Kath Phipps came off the wage bill. He cut staff christmas bonuses by a couple of hundred quid. He wont pay 20k for a ex players fundraiser. He hikes the ticket price for OAPs and kids up from circa 20 to 66 pounds.

You not think getting 300k of the wage bill is massively attractive?

I still struggle with the idea that Rashford wasn't training upto standard for the best part of 6 weeks since the City game.

What does not training upto standard mean? Not following instruction? Not giving the required effort? Hands in his pockets?

Surely if a player is training that badly, then he would be booted out of the first team and into the under 18s or reserves? Why would Amorim want Rashford "training poorly" to be hanging about his first team squad.

For me, it is an excuse to push him out. I expect him to kick on at Villa because it is not like he will get a free ride under Emry.

And im not saying that its not the right thing to do, because when Rashford said he wanted a new challenge, then he deserved to be sidelined.

To progress the rebuild, we need him gone. He doenst fit and he is paid to much.

Oh come on. Does Amorim seem the sort of guy and has anything he has said in press conferences given you any hint that he is the sort of guy who would bow to pressure from Jim ratcliffe? I highly doubt he is pushing Rashford out for any other reason than because he has downed tools and hasn’t got the stomach for the fight.

And we fans have seen it with our own eyes on the pitch.

 

[Pav1878]

We should stop paying anyone big money period. Only a select few players deserve £250k+ pw contracts. We’ve been giving them out like candy. It’s never worked out for us and it makes it insanely difficult to ship out the players later on.

Agreed. Football needs a salary cap imo. With players on a selection of base salaries according to ability and experience. Then performance related bonuses after that. I don’t see why that can’t be brought in

 

[DrRodo]

You know think there is a push from upstairs, especially given Rashford is on 6 times what Garnacho is and clearly isn't performing at any higher level than Garnacho?

Jim Ratcliffe was probably happy when Kath Phipps came off the wage bill. He cut staff christmas bonuses by a couple of hundred quid. He wont pay 20k for a ex players fundraiser. He hikes the ticket price for OAPs and kids up from circa 20 to 66 pounds.

You not think getting 300k of the wage bill is massively attractive?

I still struggle with the idea that Rashford wasn't training upto standard for the best part of 6 weeks since the City game.

What does not training upto standard mean? Not following instruction? Not giving the required effort? Hands in his pockets?

Surely if a player is training that badly, then he would be booted out of the first team and into the under 18s or reserves? Why would Amorim want Rashford "training poorly" to be hanging about his first team squad.

For me, it is an excuse to push him out. I expect him to kick on at Villa because it is not like he will get a free ride under Emry.

And im not saying that its not the right thing to do, because when Rashford said he wanted a new challenge, then he deserved to be sidelined.

To progress the rebuild, we need him gone. He doenst fit and he is paid to much.

I agree with you

People at INEOS are popping a champagne bottle as Amorin sidelines rashford for good.

Yet, it is the correct course of action. It would be dumb to wanting a player not fully committed to the managers ideas to stay just to bother sir Rattcliffe

 

[gaffs]

Oh come on. Does Amorim seem the sort of guy and has anything he has said in press conferences given you any hint that he is the sort of guy who would bow to pressure from Jim ratcliffe? I highly doubt he is pushing Rashford out for any other reason than because he has downed tools and hasn’t got the stomach for the fight.

And we fans have seen it with our own eyes on the pitch.

If he has "downed tools", then why is he training with the first team? Why would Amorim let a player who had "downed tools" potentially infect others with that attitude?

There is no manager that would let a player that had "down tools" hang around first team training.

I'm not saying Radcliffe has told Amorim what to do, but i'm sure they are on the same page for many reasons....

a) The financial situation is dire and money need to be freed up. Rashford is a top earner and not performing to a level that justifys it.
b) Amorim needs money to bring in players that better fit his system
c) With the best will in the world, Rashford wont fit into an Amorim system.

The reports say there was a falling out about Rashford going out....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/33134671/marcus-rashford-ruben-amorim-man-utd-relationship/

This was also reported back in December.

 

[2 man midfield]

Villa's kit launch video (and it was good: watch it if you've not done so) featured their 'No.1 fan', erm, Ozzy Osbourne with lyrics from Paranoid, all of which now seems very prescient and needs only a teeny re-write..

Finished with my hometown club 'cause
They couldn't help me with my form
People think I am lazy
I just jog around all the time

All day long I think of bling
But nothing seems to satisfy
Think I'll lose my entourage
If I can't find more things to buy...

Going home, late last night
Suddenly I got a fright
Yeah I looked through a window,
Was surprised what I saw
Marcus Rashford
Walking out the door

Awwww yeah!

 

[Scholsey2004]

Agreed. Football needs a salary cap imo. With players on a selection of base salaries according to ability and experience. Then performance related bonuses after that. I don’t see why that can’t be brought in

I don't think we need a salary cap. We need to stop making stupid decisions at boardroom level. There are a lot of instances of players being offered wages they failed to justify at United. Somebody in negotiations needs to be willing to say 'No, sorry but we don't think that amount is justified. If that's your position it' ll be neccesary for you to leave if you choose not to take the offer'. Bayern do it all the time.

 

[Sir Erik ten Hag]

He's a great player when he can be arsed. I just hope that if he has a decent start for them we don't immediately have people piling in saying that it was a mistake to feck him off.

The English Pogba then.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

It's sad news. I think Amorim has given up too quickly on Rashford. After all, he scored goals in the first games under the new manager.
I see it as a big weakening of the squad. Rashford will always be better than both Højlund and Zirkzee.

Now he is leaving Manchester United and can now play in the Champions League with Aston Villa....It is a setback that many are too stubborn to realize.

He chose to walk around when the club needed the homegrown talisman the most. Thr kind who rallies the troop and stamp the identity. He chose to give that interview when we wanted to hard reset and go all out. We didn't gave up on him too soon, we held him up 3 season too long. This club packed stams and beckhams, this turd of primadonna needs flushing.

 

[AR87]

You know think there is a push from upstairs, especially given Rashford is on 6 times what Garnacho is and clearly isn't performing at any higher level than Garnacho?

It's normal for most clubs to want to move on overpaid, underperformers, especially if they're also not giving it their best effort for a new manager.

Casemiro is on similar wages and he hasn't been left out of the squad even if he hasn't played much. Of course the club would like to move him on, but they aren't refusing to select him.

If Rashford was playing well I doubt the club would be leaving him out of the squad just because they'd like to move him out and lower the wage bill.

 

[AlexUTD]

He needs us to believe that he believes in his own world class pedigree. Thats his whole shtick.

He will need to wait for a long while then!

100%. Rashford's been left with a hard smack in the face of reality. Announced his challenges are elsewhere thinking clubs would be falling over themselves to sign him, yet no one was interested - or at least not at anywhere near what he wants to be paid.

Likely Rashford checked out expecting to leave, which pissed Amorim off and explains his exile from the team.

WOnder if his ego will get a hit or if he stays just as deluded.

As much as I like Rashford as a human and as a United player, I agree with this wholeheartedly.

He's a great player, that is undoubtedly true, but it's clear his heart isn't on the fight we are currently in, so the manager is well within his rights to ostracize those who don't have the fight required.

Player power ends with Rashford going i hope.

100% spot on. From what we hear this needed to happen years ago not reward his feckery with a 300k a week contract

Yeah another huge contract mistake we suffer from,lets hope he goes with option to buy.

 

[Eyepopper]

"I feel ready for a new challenge"

Deadline day transfer to Aston Villa.

I'm guessing that's not how he was thinking this would go.

Turns out if you guarantee some guys in their early 20s tens of millions, it might result in them thinking their a global sporting superstar now, and not giving a feck about anything after that.

 

[Sassy Colin]

You didn’t spell it wrong. It was a joke!

 

[Brazilian_Ronaldo_9]

The English Pogba then.

Rashford nowhere near the talents of Pogba or achievements.

 

[iKnowNothing]

Assuming Rashford is on currently on 300k a week, let’s say if he moves to Villa who are in the CL, does he get his CL participation bonus from Villa?

 

[Posh Red]

Sorry Colin. Please don’t be sad.

 

[elmo]

If the motive is to eliminate the highest earners, I understand that, but that's something that should be done in the summer, not halfway through the season when we're middle of the table, on the verge of scoring the fewest goals in the league we've ever scored, and staring at the prospect of a knockout tournament that is our one and only hope of qualifying for the Champions League.

Sell Rashford in the summer if you must; right now we desperately need a player who is capable of scoring goals and playing Rashford for the rest of the season gives us a better chance of scoring goals than playing Hojlund, Zirkzee, or Garnacho.

There is one and only one scenario in which this move makes sense right now, and that's if we pull off a shock move tomorrow to bring in an attacking player. If that happens, I will look at this situation in hindsight feeling differently; if it doesn't happen, then it's a stupid move right now.

He could be earning 5k a week and still deserves to be thrown out of the club for his terrible attitude.

 

[fallengt]

Rashford never looked any worse than all of the other players that were playing like garbage at the time. If Amorim cut the players who weren't fighting like they should be, we wouldn't be able to field a team.

In a world in which Hojlund is continuously thrown out there to be completely useless, is there really a version of Rashford that doesn't offer at least equal or better productivity?

Let's not kid ourselves, there are maybe 3 or 4 players who deserve to be out there.

Didn't take long for Amorim to realize Rashford gave up 50/50 balls all the time. He' d been like this since Jose left

Talent wise, many would agree that he got it, more so than 80% of our current squad. But his attitude on the pitch really stinks.

Even when Bruno and Dalot have worst games in their carrier. You don't see the word "lazy" as a criticism from our fans but with Rashford, it's the first thing everyone thinks of him.

 

[McTerminator]

Rashford never looked any worse than all of the other players that were playing like garbage at the time. If Amorim cut the players who weren't fighting like they should be, we wouldn't be able to field a team.

In a world in which Hojlund is continuously thrown out there to be completely useless, is there really a version of Rashford that doesn't offer at least equal or better productivity?

Let's not kid ourselves, there are maybe 3 or 4 players who deserve to be out there.

You’re missing the point.

Nobody, not even Amorim is suggesting that Rashford isn’t as talented as the players who are playing.

However, because of his talent, if he applied himself properly he could achieve much more than them and than he has been doing.

It’s not about equality of outcome. If we want a £350k per week player who performs like a £350k a week player then it needs to be someone with elite talent who tries at least as hard as the £100k players.

We aren’t paying him £350k per week because he can do what the other lads do with a third of the effort, we are paying him because we know he can produce three times the results if he gives it 100%.

This is why effort is a non-negotiable for Amorim and should be for any serious sporting outfit.

 

[Dempsey19]

Incorrect, it was written off and became the property of his insurers, who then auctioned it.
That sky blue interior though, closet Ciddy fan

I know Mansory cars are marmite, but his was a terribly specced build. 750k , should of gone to specsavers.

 

[hobbers]

Rashford never looked any worse than all of the other players that were playing like garbage at the time. If Amorim cut the players who weren't fighting like they should be, we wouldn't be able to field a team.

In a world in which Hojlund is continuously thrown out there to be completely useless, is there really a version of Rashford that doesn't offer at least equal or better productivity?

Let's not kid ourselves, there are maybe 3 or 4 players who deserve to be out there.

So you fundamentally dont understand why Rashford was cut then.

We know Hojlund and Zirkzee are terrible. Garnacho has had a very poor season but got back in the set up.

They all train to an acceptable standard and Rashford does not. That's it.

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

You’re missing the point.

Nobody, not even Amorim is suggesting that Rashford isn’t as talented as the players who are playing.

However, because of his talent, if he applied himself properly he could achieve much more than them and than he has been doing.

It’s not about equality of outcome. If we want a £350k per week player who performs like a £350k a week player then it needs to be someone with elite talent who tries at least as hard as the £100k players.

We aren’t paying him £350k per week because he can do what the other lads do with a third of the effort, we are paying him because we know he can produce three times the results if he gives it 100%.

This is why effort is a non-negotiable for Amorim and should be for any serious sporting outfit.

Brilliantly put

 

[tenpoless]

If he has "downed tools", then why is he training with the first team? Why would Amorim let a player who had "downed tools" potentially infect others with that attitude?

There is no manager that would let a player that had "down tools" hang around first team training.

I'm not saying Radcliffe has told Amorim what to do, but i'm sure they are on the same page for many reasons....

a) The financial situation is dire and money need to be freed up. Rashford is a top earner and not performing to a level that justifys it.
b) Amorim needs money to bring in players that better fit his system
c) With the best will in the world, Rashford wont fit into an Amorim system.

The reports say there was a falling out about Rashford going out....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/33134671/marcus-rashford-ruben-amorim-man-utd-relationship/

This was also reported back in December.

He has been in this mode for ages where he barely run on the pitch. Its just that Ten Hag would rather keep him than cause controversies. The club has standards and if a player feels like he cant and wont perform for whatever reason then its best for both parties to move on. It happens all over the globe in all sorts of football level.

Its just that because Marcus was seen as our hope from the academy and gets paid a large sum of money every week (which is also the clubs decision, not only him) people think of it as something huge. When it isnt, if you wanna look at it objectively.

We have also tried so many things with him. From tough love under Jose, go out and play your heart out under Ole, play into form with no question asked under Ten Hag, and trying to bait a positive reaction from him under Amorim. What else can we do? He always has moments where he is disconnected from football and it appears several times over the course of his career. Each time it lasts for months/a year. Maybe he needs to move on, thats the only thing he has never tried. He should look at this as an opportunity to start a new and so should we.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Good riddance, my worry is that the media will keep asking Amorim questions about Rashford if Rashford does anything remotely interesting in Villa, hopefully Amorim will stay quiet and not feed the media anything

 

[bb8]

Good riddance, my worry is that the media will keep asking Amorim questions about Rashford if Rashford does anything remotely interesting in Villa, hopefully Amorim will stay quiet and not feed the media anything

Why would you worry about this? You guys know the press conferences don't mean anything, right? It's not like Garnacho is out there about to strike the ball, and because Amorim had a tougher press conference it gets in his head and he overhits it. This stuff is irrelevant.

 

[Posh Red]

Good riddance, my worry is that the media will keep asking Amorim questions about Rashford if Rashford does anything remotely interesting in Villa, hopefully Amorim will stay quiet and not feed the media anything

Quite straightforward to say ‘I will not discuss players playing for other clubs’, to be honest.

 

[Pscholes18]

I am wondering what he is like when the cameras aren't on him....you know, behind closed doors?

 

[Snow]

I am wondering what he is like when the cameras aren't on him....you know, behind closed doors?

I assume all footballers are very boring people unless proven otherwise. Their whole personality from like 15 years of age is training and recovery and the only people they associate with are other footballers and agents.