Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

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Maclooch said:
Rashford threw his United reputation into the trash for a loan move to Villa.
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he lost any reputation he had left when he went running to the media for a new challenge because Ruben had the audacity to ask him to run a bit more the lazy fecker.

we certainly have less talented players still in the squad but at least they have some fecking fight in them as opposed to this overrated overpaid waste of space in the squad.
 
Had a feeling Villa would go for him yesterday after they sold Duran for £60m. My main annoyance is how did Villa get £60m for Duran, and we can’t get a penny for Casemiro (I realise age) or Rashford
 
I'm still sad it ends like this. Obviously the right move for both sides and especially us, but he was destined for bigger things with us
 
JediSith said:
Had a feeling Villa would go for him yesterday after they sold Duran for £60m. My main annoyance is how did Villa get £60m for Duran, and we can’t get a penny for Casemiro (I realise age) or Rashford
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Low wages, young player with potential? Its an easy answer
 
Wheato said:
Wish him well and hope he goes on to tear it up in the champions league for Villa.

I still rate him as one of our best talents, but he is not right for our new manager, who is trying to decorate a room with grand piano in the way.
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Yea, that explains why clubs are queueing up to try and get him.
 
Todd said:
Hate that we're at this point and to be honest I think Amorim has handled it all wrong.
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What on earth are you on about?

Amorim got this spot on.

Getting rid of the ones that do not give 100%.

Find it really strange that you want to keep someone who clearly cares more about their ego than the club.

Thank feck Amorim is in charge and not you.
 
When you listen to Rooney on the Overlap talking about how these issues have been going on for two years, it’s the best thing for both parties. I have my doubts that he’ll ever be a top level footballer again and I suspect he’ll be back in the summer after an underwhelming time there, but clearly something isn’t right in the dynamic between club and player and we don’t have the time to bet on him finding that motivation again. Hopefully he does and he can actually enjoy the back end of his career.
 
TheGame said:
Surprised as they have Malen and Bailey as well so quite alot of wide players.
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Bailey plays on the RW if I'm not mistaken. Whoever is on the LW, Rashford has equal talent or more, if he puts his mind to it.
 
AlexUTD said:
What on earth are you on about?

Amorim got this spot on.

Getting rid of the ones that do not give 100%.

Find it really strange that you want to keep someone who clearly cares more about their ego than the club.

Thank feck Amorim is in charge and not you.
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As much as I like Rashford as a human and as a United player, I agree with this wholeheartedly.

He's a great player, that is undoubtedly true, but it's clear his heart isn't on the fight we are currently in, so the manager is well within his rights to ostracize those who don't have the fight required.
 
AlexUTD said:
What on earth are you on about?

Amorim got this spot on.

Getting rid of the ones that do not give 100%.

Find it really strange that you want to keep someone who clearly cares more about their ego than the club.

Thank feck Amorim is in charge and not you.
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100% spot on. From what we hear this needed to happen years ago not reward his feckery with a 300k a week contract
 
Does feel sad finally watching him leave after those years of promise, disappointment and ultimately frustration. Think he can do well at Villa with more space teams afford them.
 
wesleyan92 said:
Wow! I actually wish him the worst. The lack of effort (basic running) when you are making millions is simply unforgivable.
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If he doesn't perform, his value will go down even further. And considering his salary, no one will touch him. So we'll be stuck with him for many more years until his contract finishes. A non performing player, on his salary, that no one wants to buy, will be bad news in many different ways.
 
Todd said:
Hate that we're at this point and to be honest I think Amorim has handled it all wrong.
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People say things like this but never give another solution.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
Well if it's Villa who sign him, the fee is probably already agreed if they take up the option. So he doesn't have to necessarily find amazing form or anything as I doubt that will increase the agreed fee we'd get from Villa - but if we want to sell him to them then we certainly need him to perform good enough to impress.

If he did find 'amazing form', then we'd have been better off not having an agreed fee with Villa - agreed when his stock was low, and we're eager to move him on, so presumably not too high. His stock and market value would be much higher in the summer if he had a very good loan there, but we'd have to sell him to Villa for less than what we could probably get with more suitors interested.

It's a tricky one, really. Clever loan deal terms for Villa, and probably as good as we could do at this late stage since it's dragged on to a couple of days before the deadline.
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Thanks for the thoughts, I will hope it's a good fee....
 
If, that’s a big if, he would be a success at Villa Park and they want to buy him, they won’t give him his current wage. I guess that will decrease the value we get out of him. Why, because he will get a big sign on which will be redacted from the sum we will get.

That stupid contract will haunt us until the bitter end.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Low wages, young player with potential? Its an easy answer
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While I think that is true. I also think it’s the easy answer and more than one thing can be true.

A lot of people have described Man Utd as in the directors as disrespectful, arrogant and not taken seriously. This comes from things I’ve read from ex players, journalist etc and mostly applies to Woodward, Murtough , and Arnold who are now gone. But as we know a good reputation can get ruined in a minute, and a bad reputation takes lots of hard work to reverse.

I remember there was that summer when Arnold went to Saudi Arabia looking to sell players. I wonder if he did more damage than good.
 
Yeah I wish players like Rashford were staying at the club so we could continue to enjoy how successful we've been with players like Rashford giving 10-50% week in week out for the last few years.
 
Maureen-yo said:
Not due to talent, the obstacle is Ffp and PSR with the contract that united stupidly gave him.
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What he's on here shouldn't effect negotiations with future clubs he may join permanently - unless Rashford is demanding the same 'stupid' wages he got here off the back of a very good season, despite him now coming off the back of 18 months of awful form and not being selected for club and country, and so going into those negotiations with his stock much lower.

If Rashford wants to get a permanent move away, then at this stage of his career he's going to have to be realistic about his wage demands in the completely new and separate deal he'll be signing with another club. There's absolutely no reason why he should insist on expecting the ludicrous wage he's on here, given his current situation. That's like us expecting to still be getting £100m for him despite his stock being so low. We can't expect that, and Rashford shouldn't be expecting to find a new club prepared to give him those sorts of wages at this stage of his career. If he does, he's going to price himself out of moves. If he accepts lower, then that's probably why he'll end up at an appropriate size club like Villa.
 
Wish him well, sad he probably has played his last game in a United shirt, but do think it’s the best for all parties. Maybe he can revive something in himself we’ve not seen in a long time. Maybe all his doubters will be proved right in that he was never that good to begin with. Will be fascinating to watch either way.
 
Incidentally, remembering all the issue about Wan-Bissaka and us having to pay off his contract, etc, before he left.

When / if we sell Rashford, are we then going to have to give him a huge pay off to make up for the years left on his high wages (due up to 2028 isn't it)?
 
Think he will do well at Villa. He can be the main man, less pressure on him to perform and he can dip in and out of games without getting crucified for lack of effort. I think he's always wanted to be the big fish in the pond and struggled when his ability didn't match up to that here.
 
Just glad he won't be our problem anymore (or at least for a while). Hopefully, he does well enough in the short-term to trick them into buying him. Rarely have I wanted a player to do that well only for said player to consistently let us down.
 
JediSith said:
Had a feeling Villa would go for him yesterday after they sold Duran for £60m. My main annoyance is how did Villa get £60m for Duran, and we can’t get a penny for Casemiro (I realise age) or Rashford
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Casemiro's comparison should be Henderson really - Liverpool miraculously got £12m for a player they were binning off anyway.... yet, yeah... despite constant links, and bringing clearly better "star" appeal to their league, Casemiro's gonna end up being free probably.
 
littlepeasoup said:
Wish him well, sad he probably has played his last game in a United shirt, but do think it’s the best for all parties. Maybe he can revive something in himself we’ve not seen in a long time. Maybe all his doubters will be proved right in that he was never that good to begin with. Will be fascinating to watch either way.
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I think there's different reasons for doubting him.

Yes, there's the idea that he's not necessarily 'world class' because he's mostly just reliant on speed and space to run into. And his dribbling attempts without space generally involves running into players more than getting past them (other than by pace).

But I'm sure most people will freely say that when he's putting in the effort and commitment, then his attributes are enough to make him a good PL attacking player - capable of occasional very good seasons. The problem has always been more about how often he appears to be putting in that effort, and how low his lows can be and how long they drag on for.

This move - especially being a short loan - might well help him revive his effort and therefore form. But I think the true test of what many 'doubters' say will be can he maintain any improvement in attitude, effort and performance over the long time when he's moved somewhere permanently?
 
Thanks for the goals you scored for us, and especially for the penalty goal away against PSG, which I rank as one of my top three moment past Fergie.

Then, of you go, you lazy Knut.
 
Right to let him go of course, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he had a great spell at Villa
 
sillwuka said:
Does anyone know how much Rashford is worth? 60m?
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Current (a.k.a normal) Rashford. £20m. Possibly lower. The Rashford that shows up once in every 3 years, £60m. Weighted average put its at about £46m-£47m.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
This move - especially being a short loan - might well help him revive his effort and therefore form. But I think the true test of what many 'doubters' say will be can he maintain any improvement in attitude, effort and performance over the long time when he's moved somewhere permanently?
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Personally, I think he’ll be able to hide lack of effort a bit in a better performing outfit like Villa. Long term, yeah that’s going to be interesting to see.
 
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