Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

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Let's stop bringing race into it.

Most United fans would have no reason not to like Rashford. Academy players through and through, fairy tale debut, spearheading our resurgence (was) as a 20 years old, breaking goal scoring record (going to), feed the kids, number 10 in the making.

We would want and loved him to be successful, for feck sake if he made it it's a pride to our history.

We've had countless Black players, and i think a good percentages of EPL players are black. Race is not the issue, although some bad apples would probably made that remarks.

Instead ask yourself, why most of us wants him gone so badly? Well for me it's simply because he took the piss with jogging around and not giving his all for years, while being privileged to be paid top money, playing for the club i support, and even then some act of professionalism is all I ask.

So please, he actually got more leeway more than any other player. Let's not made him as a victim in all this. All he needs to do is give his all, hell at least be professional about your profession and earn your salary

If this is the player you want to support, then dont complain when the team dont give a feck and languishes in midtables, because you (his defenders) have been tolerating and defending his laziness with a list of excuse from back pain, the coach pick him, he wasnt told to press and presumably told to jog around letting everyone pass him, mental ilness, depression, etc while it's clear he doesnt give a flying feck about his job.

If he move to a new club and suddenly works hard again and find his Mojoes, the more he needs to feck off. Because it'll be clear he can and still have it, he just can't be bothered to do it for his supposedly childhood club. Either way I wont be missing him

Sorry @REDARMY45 the rant wasnt aimed at you. Just adding to your post

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fans of rashford just use race as an easy excuse. every fan with eyes can see rashford not committing to presses and duels on the field.

Amad is a black player too but virtually no united fans call him lazy since he is really a pressing machine.
 
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fans of rashford just use race as an easy excuse. every fan with eyes can see rashford not committing to presses and duels on the field.

Amad is a black player too but virtually no united fans call him lazy since he is really a pressing machine.

Racism doesn't always work like this, though. There are probably United fans who attach racist epitaphs to Rashford, but love Amad.

Whenever Amad has a few bad games, he'll get bile, too.

It's not only racists against Rashford, either. There's a few Tories and associated 'anti-woke' culture warriors, sick of 'political correctness', who'd love to see MR fail for their own ends.

Not the majority, of course, but they do exist, let us not lie.
 
The new challenge he talked about must've been training alone as he sure as hell is no hurry to find a new club.
 
If Villa is an option then he'd be mad to turn it down.

What better way to prove a point than to do it at another club in the PL in full view.
 
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Rooney said something interesting on the Overlap.

Something along the lines of him speaking to Marcus a couple of years ago and telling him to leave. Wonder what was going on? Pogba in a recent podcast said he hasn't told anyone before but he had asked to leave with what was happening.

Also interesting that after saying that Rooney went on to say but not now. Now he needs to get his head on.

Obviously lots happening behind the scenes we are unaware of.
 
Racism doesn't always work like this, though. There are probably United fans who attach racist epitaphs to Rashford, but love Amad.

Whenever Amad has a few bad games, he'll get bile, too.

It's not only racists against Rashford, either. There's a few Tories and associated 'anti-woke' culture warriors, sick of 'political correctness', who'd love to see MR fail for their own ends.

Not the majority, of course, but they do exist, let us not lie.
None of this has any place here.

Rashford gets criticism for his lack of effort and poor attitude as an employee of Manchester United. I couldn't give a feck about anything beyond that
 
Nonsense :lol:

Firstly, Rashford is a much better player than Lingard.

Nobody wanting Lingard had nothing to do with his wages. Nobody wanting Rashford has a massive amount to do with his wages.
His wages on his contract here shouldn’t come into it as much. If he wants a new challenge, wants regular football, wants to get in the England team but nobody wants to pay over what they think he is worth then he needs to suck it up and take a pay cut or accept he’s not worth what United currently give him and just resorts to sitting here watching football and taking money.
 
Villa loan will be a good move, would get more minutes more than he would get at Barca
You have to wonder how much a footballers inner circle, actually provide sensible advise. Or they just want their golden goose to keep them in their own lifestyles?

Barcelona is a good example. Is he going to play ahead of lewandoski or yamal or Raphina? Nope. He'll be fighting for minutes with Torres, Olmo etc. Also does he have the required technqiue and one touch football that Barcelona players require?

Whereas if he went to somewhere like dortmund, German football is more open, he's more likely to start most games, goals should in theory be easier to come by and he can put himself in the shop window for a move in the summer.

The talk of a move to AC Milan (which died off) was another which wouldn't suit him. Italian teams play a low block and Rashford is a player who needs space to run into and exploit, he wouldn't get that in Italian football.

I get that Barcelona is a dream location, the club, the history, the weather, the lifestyle etc etc. But they are also utterly ruthless and he would be forced to work harder than he has ever done before to get game time and also impress on the pitch to keep getting that game time. Does he have that drive, desire, determination? It's not something you can turn on and off at a flick of a switch.

TLDR: the sensible option would be dortmund (financial issues aside).
 
Nonsense :lol:

Firstly, Rashford is a much better player than Lingard.

Nobody wanting Lingard had nothing to do with his wages. Nobody wanting Rashford has a massive amount to do with his wages.
Rashford could be on minimum wage and I'd still desperately want him out of United. He's a bad influence and has contributed to the toxic culture at the club for years. The wages are simply extra incentive for Ineos to get rid
 
If Villa is an option then he'd be mad to turn it down.

What better way to prove a point than to do it at another club in the PL in full view.
I think he’d take it too, Champions League football being the key factor. If he performs it would also strengthen our hand come the summer significantly so hopefully it comes off.
 
Oh my from United and Barcelona to Aston Villa. How the mighty has fallen. I wonder if he would consider Ipswich next.
 
Nonsense :lol:

Firstly, Rashford is a much better player than Lingard.

Nobody wanting Lingard had nothing to do with his wages. Nobody wanting Rashford has a massive amount to do with his wages.
Both players should have been out because they were unprofessional. Rashford leaving is more pressing because he's a senior player on silly salary
 
Rooney said something interesting on the Overlap.

Something along the lines of him speaking to Marcus a couple of years ago and telling him to leave. Wonder what was going on? Pogba in a recent podcast said he hasn't told anyone before but he had asked to leave with what was happening.

Also interesting that after saying that Rooney went on to say but not now. Now he needs to get his head on.

Obviously lots happening behind the scenes we are unaware of.

I doubt very much that the Rashford and Pogba things are connected in anyway. Pogba has always been like this.

On Rashford, probably everyone at the club could see that the club with ETH was buying absolutely waste of footballers - the likes of Sancho, Antony, Hojlund and Mount arriving in the attacking department couldn't have inspired anyone including Rashford and Rooney. We had a strike force of Rashford, Martial, Greenwood and Ronaldo just a couple of seasons before. In that sense the club's standards have fallen even below the low standards of the club post-SAF. By the end of 2022-23 season, Rashford was shouldering the main attacking burden and nobody has been able to step up and shoulder it. That's the time when Rashford was considering a contract extension.

I can see why Rooney, having Rashford's best interests, could have advised him to seek a career away from United. And having seen how cynical of a footballer Rashford has become now, it is easy to see that it would have done the player a lot of good too.
 
If Villa is an option then he'd be mad to turn it down.

What better way to prove a point than to do it at another club in the PL in full view.

Or that with Villa, there will be no hiding place. Sancho had a return of 5 G+A (can’t be bothered to check exacts) with Dortmund and his loan spell was being hailed as a success.
 
The thing with Villa though is that you'd expect Emery to set really high standards in training and in games, the exact thing he hasn't been able to give to Amorim.

It is a massive opportunity though to prove alot of people wrong if he does take the chance and makes a success of it, myself included.
 
Or that with Villa, there will be no hiding place. Sancho had a return of 5 G+A (can’t be bothered to check exacts) with Dortmund and his loan spell was being hailed as a success.

I know, if he went aboard it would be out of sight out of mind, and when you heard he'd scored then you'd be sucked into thinking he was doing well.

Sancho is a good example, I remember watching him late into his loan and thinking I'd be somehow impressed, but it was just the same old Sancho.

If he goes to Villa then the scrutiny will be really be on, and personally I'd expect him to fail, but what a chance to prove lots of people wrong for him.
 
He won't start at any of the big clubs either. He wants Barca, but he's not going to do anything but warm the bench there. His best bet would be Arsenal getting desperate, otherwise, he's in for a very rude awakening if he plays like he has here.

Problem by now is it's hard to gauge where his level actually is when he's giving his all. His best mightn't be good enough by now, but who knows?
I believe his best would be good enough to compete at least, but I'm not convinced he'll be able to keep that level for more than one season. A focused Rashford at his best is a very dangerous player and a massive goal threat, especially in a team with other threats, which should afford him some space. This is the most frustrating thing of it all - just see how well he's done when a new contract is on the horizon, even after the whole narrative about his back. His overall game is not very refined, but he's very good at what he's good at and can rack up goals when he's motivated.
He's completely lost the will to put in the work here for all his big talk, and that's a big shame.

I wonder whether a new environment would wake him up because even while packing it in here, for England he always put in a shift.
 
I have the feeling he'll consider himself too good for Villa.

But if he, or his advisors, had any sense, they'd see it as a huge opportunity. A fantastic manager, playing Champions League football, battling for top 4 (which is more than United can offer), all for a team that has been on the fringes of the big 6 for years now.
 
I believe his best would be good enough to compete at least, but I'm not convinced he'll be able to keep that level for more than one season. A focused Rashford at his best is a very dangerous player and a massive goal threat, especially in a team with other threats, which should afford him some space. This is the most frustrating thing of it all - just see how well he's done when a new contract is on the horizon, even after the whole narrative about his back. His overall game is not very refined, but he's very good at what he's good at and can rack up goals when he's motivated.
He's completely lost the will to put in the work here for all his big talk, and that's a big shame.

I wonder whether a new environment would wake him up because even while packing it in here, for England he always put in a shift.
Is the England bit true? Because why did Southgate end up dropping him, whilst still clearly picking players like Maguire etc - even if they weren’t automatic starters for their club etc? I’m honestly just curious about that statement as I can’t say I followed England (NT) close enough outside of major tournaments.
 
When he said that he needed a new challenge, my first thought was that he will end up at Everton or West Ham. Everton, because he won't have to move, West Ham because if he wants to be in London, I doubt that Chelsea, Arsenal or Tottenham would take him.

Villa is an intriguing one.
Penicillin was an accident too
 
Is the England bit true? Because why did Southgate end up dropping him, whilst still clearly picking players like Maguire etc - even if they weren’t automatic starters for their club etc? I’m honestly just curious about that statement as I can’t say I followed England (NT) close enough outside of major tournaments.
Who knows? Might have been training or general behaviour behind the scenes (difficult to hide your real self from those who work with you everyday in a tournament environment) or perhaps Southgate just didn't fancy him, however, on the pitch on game day, he ran like a dog for England.
 
You have to wonder how much a footballers inner circle, actually provide sensible advise. Or they just want their golden goose to keep them in their own lifestyles?

Barcelona is a good example. Is he going to play ahead of lewandoski or yamal or Raphina? Nope. He'll be fighting for minutes with Torres, Olmo etc. Also does he have the required technqiue and one touch football that Barcelona players require?

Whereas if he went to somewhere like dortmund, German football is more open, he's more likely to start most games, goals should in theory be easier to come by and he can put himself in the shop window for a move in the summer.

The talk of a move to AC Milan (which died off) was another which wouldn't suit him. Italian teams play a low block and Rashford is a player who needs space to run into and exploit, he wouldn't get that in Italian football.

I get that Barcelona is a dream location, the club, the history, the weather, the lifestyle etc etc. But they are also utterly ruthless and he would be forced to work harder than he has ever done before to get game time and also impress on the pitch to keep getting that game time. Does he have that drive, desire, determination? It's not something you can turn on and off at a flick of a switch.

TLDR: the sensible option would be dortmund (financial issues aside).

I agree he's likely to be bit part player at barcalona if he's not consistent or let go if he's not pulling his weight or producing numbers but those guys are not going to starting every single game, if he bets on himself to compete for those places against those type of players, then fair play

He could go to an easier league and pad goals for Dortumand, that's the easier path. Then you would have his critics say that's his level and where he belongs. Either way I wish him the best, he's scored over 138 goals for the club scored amazing goals often carrying us, been at the club since he's 7 and now being treated like he's Harold Shipman so I hope he goes to club who don't have the need to villainise their own players every year and give a feck you to all the guys who have given him hell for whatever decisions he decides to make
 
I have the feeling he'll consider himself too good for Villa.

But if he, or his advisors, had any sense, they'd see it as a huge opportunity. A fantastic manager, playing Champions League football, battling for top 4 (which is more than United can offer), all for a team that has been on the fringes of the big 6 for years now.

Correct, and the manager seemingly asked for him, he'd be playing in the latter stages of CL in a good team. If he chooses to stay and sulk at United it would suggest he's given up on football in general.
 
Looks like itl happen. Good move for him in my opinion, I think he can do well there. Win all round if it works out.
 
Can't put in the effort for us and gets a move to a team in the CL and pushing for top 4,it's a strange world.

He needs a change of scenery. The sad thing is most of us know he is a good player that can score goals in the PL and CL. It’s just gone stale here unfortunately. If he plays for another team the spark may come back.
 
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