Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

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Tango80 said:
Nonsense :lol:

Firstly, Rashford is a much better player than Lingard.

Nobody wanting Lingard had nothing to do with his wages. Nobody wanting Rashford has a massive amount to do with his wages.
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By wages, do you mean future wage demands?

What he's on here, now, effects a possible move in terms of a loan and clubs covering it.

But surely the best option for all parties is a permanent move - and in that case, to get the move that he wants, then surely his current wages here don't matter? Negotiations start afresh with any new team he signs for permanently. And, if it's only his current high wages that are a 'massive amount' of the reaaons why top clubs don't want him (as opposed to his limitations, inconsistency, disciplinary issues, etc), then surely he and his team should be sending out the message that he wouldn't be expecting those insurmountable and unrealistic levels of wages in order to get the permanent deal done?

In which case, his wages wouldn't be a major issue. Unless he's still going to expecting / demanding those huge levels even at a new club, despite joining them while currently not being selected by club or country and his stock having seriously fallen. In which case it's him that's pricing himself out of the move.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
By wages, do you mean future wage demands?

What he's on here, now, effects a possible move in terms of a loan and clubs covering it.

But surely the best option for all parties is a permanent move - and in that case, to get the move that he wants, then surely his wages here don't matter? Negotiations start afresh with any new team he signs for permanently. And, if only his current high wages are a 'massive amount' of the reaaons why top clubs don't want him (as opposed to his limitations, inconsistency, disciplinary issues, etc), then surely he and his team should be sending out the message that he wouldn't be expecting those insurmountable and unrealistic levels of wages in order to get the permanent deal done?

Unless he's still expecting / demanding those levels even at a new club, despite currently not being selected by club or country.
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Does he want to sit at home playing himself on Fifa like Lingard whilst collecting his 250k (at present) a week for the next
3 1/2 seasons or does he actually care about his playing career, winning things and getting back in the England team.

His PR will try to tell you he wants the latter but I guess we will see in the next couple of weeks.
 
Paul778 said:
Does he want to sit at home playing himself on Fifa like Lingard whilst collecting his 250k (at present) a week for the next
3 1/2 seasons or does he actually care about his playing career, winning things and getting back in the England team.

His PR will try to tell you he wants the latter but I guess we will see in the next couple of weeks.
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The FIFA and money part.
 
It's february. Not one single offer. Not even one gap for wages under FFP. Not one loan offer. Not one option to buy.

Not discussing his value as player. But the real value as an asset is zero fee, and (very much) under 243k/w. Hope the club has learn his lesson.
 
Rashford should fire his agents. Clearly they have put as much into engineering his transfer as he does tracking back.
 
Feck I was wondering why are there so many quotes :lol: .
I'm sorry guys. My phone touchscreen has gotten really sensitive, so sometimes when it's in my pocket it types on its own... not the first time it's happened.

Speaking of Rashford: Visca Barca or failing that, Forza Napoli.
 
iKnowNothing said:
No way Rashy settles for a club like Villa. He wants Barca/Real Madrid and but they don’t, unfortunately.
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When he said that he needed a new challenge, my first thought was that he will end up at Everton or West Ham. Everton, because he won't have to move, West Ham because if he wants to be in London, I doubt that Chelsea, Arsenal or Tottenham would take him.

Villa is an intriguing one.
 
If it was a player vs manager situation, then organising a interview to tell everyone you want to leave the club, only to then receive zero offers of any note, is a pretty big L for Marcus to swallow.

Rashford’s power at the club will hit an all time low if he is still here on Monday night.
 
He would be a nice addition to our attack but I'm afraid we don't have ffp to pay him even on a free loan.
 
Tango80 said:
What is this ego? I'm not aware of anything he's done being particularly egotistical.

He's been in and out of the United team, hasn't played for England for a couple of years, and has already gone through a summer where we openly said we'd listen to offers for him and yet nothing came in. I'm pretty sure he knows what his stock is.

And he likely knows full well the issues his wage has caused for potential suitors.
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Yet he doesn't want to take a pay cut so he must think he's worth it. :lol:
 
Devil_forever said:
He won't start at Villa, they have a lot of attacking options.
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He won't start at any of the big clubs either. He wants Barca, but he's not going to do anything but warm the bench there. His best bet would be Arsenal getting desperate, otherwise, he's in for a very rude awakening if he plays like he has here.

Problem by now is it's hard to gauge where his level actually is when he's giving his all. His best mightn't be good enough by now, but who knows?
 
tenpoless said:
Feck I was wondering why are there so many quotes :lol: .
I'm sorry guys. My phone touchscreen has gotten really sensitive, so sometimes when it's in my pocket it types on its own... not the first time it's happened.

Speaking of Rashford: Visca Barca or failing that, Forza Napoli.
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More like Forza Horizon.
 
Al Hilal is the Barça of the middle east, coach and teamwise. Might as well be a little flexible .
 
Villa is a good move for him, there's still many questions over Amorim but he's played a blinder putting Marcus into this corner. He can't stay simply because at his age non regular football will retire him faster especially being an attacker.

Compounding that with his World cup aspirations for next year, he needs to be match fit to get back into selection. Tuchel has also sung his praises in the past from what I remember, I don't think it's dead in the water for him and England unless Rodgers / Gordon just keep upping their respective levels.

He should look at the Jesse Lingard situation, though slightly different circumstances Jesse should have left for West Ham and his omission has cost him the latter part of his career. Playing "too good to get" works for those elite talents because they've got plenty credit in the bank, Rashford is a seasoned senior player he's running out of time and opportunities.

His agents / brother should be realistic with him and draw up some contingencies. Villa isn't Spain or a European powerhouse like Barcelona but it's a team in the champions league with a very reputable coach.
 
Marcus said:
I don't understand him. If he wants a move or wants to stay, surely it is in his interest to train hard? Being left out of the team means he loses his appearance money. So even if money is motivating him, this is hitting his own bottom line. A ridiculous situation. And then what kind of stories is going to tell his kids/grandkids about his time at United. Surely, he must have more pride than that.
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He has no pride, seeing even Barca failed to meet his demand. The guy disgusts me.
 
Redstain said:
Villa is a good move for him, there's still many questions over Amorim but he's played a blinder putting Marcus into this corner. He can't stay simply because at his age non regular football will retire him faster especially being an attacker.

Compounding that with his World cup aspirations for next year, he needs to be match fit to get back into selection. Tuchel has also sung his praises in the past from what I remember, I don't think it's dead in the water for him and England unless Rodgers / Gordon just keep upping their respective levels.

He should look at the Jesse Lingard situation, though slightly different circumstances Jesse should have left for West Ham and his omission has cost him the latter part of his career. Playing "too good to get" works for those elite talents because they've got plenty credit in the bank, Rashford is a seasoned senior player he's running out of time and opportunities.

His agents / brother should be realistic with him and draw up some contingencies. Villa isn't Spain or a European powerhouse like Barcelona but it's a team in the champions league with a very reputable coach.
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Or he can start working hard in training and get himself out of that corner.
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
He has no pride, seeing even Barca failed to meet his demand. The guy disgusts me.
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Yeah that's true. Surely you'd do as much as possible if Barca were actually interested in you. Just take a paycut for a few months and you get your dream move (Hopefully with an obligation to buy).
 
Galactic said:
Or he can start working hard in training and get himself out of that corner.
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I think it's beyond redemption, there was a fixture where Amorim had two goalkeepers on the bench for a game. If that's not sending a message I don't know what is.

That's also excluding the managers comments, I feel like Marcus put that interview out and perhaps anticipated some respite beneficially for him from the hierarchy but the Glazers are done (supposedly) according to footballing operations and Murtough is MIA there's no one who's going to back his corner.

The real damning element is I think Rashford has been 'decent' under Amorim, scored goals and subjectively is better than Hojlund as the 9, but he was omitted not due to being substituted off or on field performances that we spectators could see. It's come from managerial observation in areas the public eye doesn't have access to. So it's clearly an interpersonal issue, it's not loss of form any player can bounce back from that.
 
Galactic said:
Or he can start working hard in training and get himself out of that corner.
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Nope. History suggests he gets a new contract then does feck all until renewal time.

He's been shown to be lazy even on the Overlap a discussion with Rooney and Keane which dated back years.

We want players who run and press, if you don't train well you don't output much. Rashford should be in the stands until he's flogged off.

Id honestly take a minimal 20-30m for him and off the wages.
 
TheNewEra said:
Nope. History suggests he gets a new contract then does feck all until renewal time.

He's been shown to be lazy even on the Overlap a discussion with Rooney and Keane which dated back years.

We want players who run and press, if you don't train well you don't output much. Rashford should be in the stands until he's flogged off.

Id honestly take a minimal 20-30m for him and off the wages.
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Agree with every stance. But 30 is not minimal.

It's beyond maximal, since no one offered nothing. And there is cash, given the amount of deals being made.

Facts have to go a bit ahead of (his camp) narrative. He probably just found out the hard way.
 
I could see him do well at villa and with whatever connections they have with Saudi could make a profit in the future.
So I hope if he goes there we negotiate well.
 
If he stays, he has to train hard to play even as an impact sub to have a shot at the England team. Otherwise, his career is over and fans as just going to have a go at him like Bale at Madrid. Will forever be known as a money-grabber. If he really has physical or mental issues, then declare it and just retire. He can agree with United to release him from his contract with a lumpsum payout.
 
Galactic said:
Or he can start working hard in training and get himself out of that corner.
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But he hasn't done that yet, has he? Which might suggest he really wants to go to a different club and a better club than Manchester United at that.
 
Marcus said:
If he stays, he has to train hard to play even as an impact sub to have a shot at the England team. Otherwise, his career is over and fans as just going to have a go at him like Bale at Madrid. Will forever be known as a money-grabber. If he really has physical or mental issues, then declare it and just retire. He can agree with United to release him from his contract with a lumpsum payout.
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If the guy dares stay at the club after this window, hope the fans and club make his time as untenable as possible. Jeer at him when he’s on the bench, jeer at him when he touches the ball, jeer at him whenever they see him on the stand… Make it clear that he is public enemy at Old Trafford. The club should take back his locker and dressing room for first team. He is free to use the one of the youth team. Have him on the bench of the youth team perhaps, to properly show the youngsters the outcome of his unprofessionalism as an example.

He thinks he can just stay at the club, bleeding us dry when we are hampered by FFP. And that’s exactly because we have been too nice with freeloaders like him in the past. Pogba, Lingard… all were like that. Rashford think he could just follow those footsteps, and that sends the wrong message if the club doesn’t act ruthlessly.

Make him public enemy number 1 at the club would push him out much more efficiently.
 
There are a lot of things I don't understand in his thought process. When I look at the clubs he's linked with, does he really believe that Emery, Arteta or Flick will accept him half arsing it?

If the answer is that he would try harder at those clubs then it makes me wonder why it is that he has such blatant distain for Manchester United.

I could understand the idea of a fresh start helping a player's form but that's a completely different thing.

Really odd
 
Marcus said:
If he stays, he has to train hard to play even as an impact sub to have a shot at the England team. Otherwise, his career is over and fans as just going to have a go at him like Bale at Madrid. Will forever be known as a money-grabber. If he really has physical or mental issues, then declare it and just retire. He can agree with United to release him from his contract with a lumpsum payout.
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The same Bale that played in four CL finals (which Madrid won).
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
If the guy dares stay at the club after this window, hope the fans and club make his time as untenable as possible. Jeer at him when he’s on the bench, jeer at him when he touches the ball, jeer at him whenever they see him on the stand… Make it clear that he is public enemy at Old Trafford. The club should take back his locker and dressing room for first team. He is free to use the one of the youth team. Have him on the bench of the youth team perhaps, to properly show the youngsters the outcome of his unprofessionalism as an example.

He thinks he can just stay at the club, bleeding us dry when we are hampered by FFP. And that’s exactly because we have been too nice with freeloaders like him in the past. Pogba, Lingard… all were like that. Rashford think he could just follow those footsteps, and that sends the wrong message if the club doesn’t act ruthlessly.

Make him public enemy number 1 at the club would push him out much more efficiently.
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You don't do that ffs. At the end of the day he's only a footballer. The lad has obviously took his eye of the game and isn't interested in being at top professional anymore. It happens, he should leave before it gets really toxic..we can all agree. But we don't need to do all that nonsense
 
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