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Marcus Rashford (Out) | Rashford: “For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps.”
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- He has underperformed when the team has underperformed, maybe a talismanic player should drag the rest of the team up, but there are very few players who actually do this.
- What is he meant to do about his wages refuse to accept them, demand he is paid less?
- The only reason he divides fans is because of the potential he has.
- Why should he do charity anonymously? I am sure he does more than is actually publicised, but the whole reason charities want celebrities is because of the attention they bring, highlighting their causes, bringing in more support and awareness, worth far more than any anonymous contribution would bring. In addition it is extremely good PR for the club, is it timed to distract, coincide with scrutiny, who knows, maybe he does more when he is feeling low because it is something which makes him feel good, maybe the press just focus intensely on him in these moments, but this whole line of criticism seems very cynical and like picking flies for the sake of it!
- He sets a tone of mediocrity etc. ??? maybe he does but who is at fault, the manager for allowing it? the club for overpaying him? blaming Rashford for being local, overpaid and not benching himself when he isn't playing well, I think you want him to be a leader, and outspoken, forceful personality and he simply is not that, he is a very unassuming, quiet guy.
- Point 3 could say that about any player, any position, what is the point? there is theoretically always something better, shinier, faster more...
- I agree we should be ruthless, or rather decisive would be better and we should have been for a long while, and not just with Rashford.
I get it, I really do, Rashford has been extremely disappointing for the last 18 months, if for nothing else his seeming lack of effort, his appearance of sulkiness etc... is what burns the most, at the very least as fans we demand 100% effort. And it really is only the last 18 months where this has been an issue and where he has underperformed, but lets also acknowledge that the whole squad has been shite, guilty of not putting in the effort etc... for the last 18 months.
Rashford is under more scrutiny in the press and from fans than any other player, it is a Utd thing, we are the biggest club, even when we are shite we sell more papers, get more clicks and occupy more time in the news cycle than any other team, and not just by a bit, by a long way, he has the misfortune of being a homegrown, well paid poster boy, who lets face it embarrassed the government during lockdown which brought even more scrutiny on him, I am not excusing the sulkiness or the lack of effort, he has the money if he is unhappy just go away and find your bliss, but what I do not get is why any fan of Man Utd wants to hate on him so much, what has he realistically done to make any fan feel this way, sure you want him dropped, sold, whatever... but give the man some respect, he has done nothing to engender this level of nastiness.
I think Rashford should go, I think the time is right, I think he doesn't really fit Amorim's system, I think he needs a break away from Man Utd, I hope a deal can be struck that gets him to a team who play football that suits his style, and that he reignites his scoring, heck I would be happy even if that was at Arsenal (as long as we continue to improve too) although I think he would benefit from going abroad where he would be under far less scrutiny.
People hate Rashord because hes taking home the best part of 400k a week and not producing anywhere near that level of performance. He has to go for the sake of the team/club.
Utter drivel.
Yes it was, thank you
Saudi, China, or plenty of clubs on a loan with obligation to buy, similar to the Sancho situation.
It was a post that didn't criticise the poster and referred in very general terms to the watchers of an individual widely known to not be a Manchester United supporter but who pretends to be for clicks, and who circles negativity around Manchester United in order to make their living. If we are on a forum where watching that dickhead talking shite about United from his bedroom every day is to be defended then perhaps this isn't the place it used to be.
I won't lie—I am a bit miffed by the sympathy he's receiving here and on social media.
The main problem with Rashford is that he's not giving 100% on the pitch and he's not working as hard as he should. He has only himself to blame and should not be getting sympathy for not giving 100.
The other issue I have is the timing of the interview. Saying you want a new challenge a day after you were dropped for your lack of application shows that the player lacks a champion mentality.
The main problem with Rashford is that he's not giving 100% on the pitch and he's not working as hard as he should. He has only himself to blame and should not be getting sympathy for not giving 100.
The other issue I have is the timing of the interview. Saying you want a new challenge a day after you were dropped for your lack of application shows that the player lacks a champion mentality.
I’ve defended Rashford a lot but I do find it weird that a lot of people are refusing to acknowledge he’s played a massive part in this himself. He gets all the privileges of our most successful academy graduates without putting in half of the work or showing the same commitment on and off the pitch. I know some feel the need to provide balance to the relentless criticism and I completely understand that but even if you ignore the off field stuff and look at his performances alone, I don’t see how anyone can argue he’s not been given a fair opportunity.
Posters seem to want to reside in this negative bubble of endless moaning, hate and controversy.... I'm glad not everyone subscribes to this miserable existence
Be happy that you seemingly have gotten what you wanted there's no need for posters to be shifting there sights to people that want to be hopeful, optimistic or empathic.... go do you
I admit that I haven't really looked at the situation over there for quite some time, but isn't the Chinese football offensive already over for a bit? Haven't heard of them making any expensive purchases of high-profile players in a while. I also can't really imagine Rashford being interested in playing in China, or Saudi Arabia for that matter. The only "retirement league" I could see him going to is MLS, and they won't pay a fortune.
Do you honestly think he has the righht mentality to go there and play under Simeone?
Yes. 100%. Doesn't show bottle. Remember last year, was it Newcastle - when he was played on right wing and absolutely strolled around? Has a billy big balls mentality. The wage packet that the idiots in charge gave him allowed that to occur. Doesn't try hard enough, and showing now with this that he doesn't have the tools for the fight. Have said it for a few years now that we should part ways, great to see it might finally happen. Nothing against him himself, if he can go on and prove me wrong elsewhere, fair play to him. But as a Manchester United player, I hate watching him.
Walking off the other day, not acknowledging the manager after being subbed. He thinks he's far better than he actually is. Another Pogba.
Yeah apart from he isn't taking home that or anywhere near that given that he pays 40% tax over £50k and 45% over £125k his annual take home is just over half what he earns £9.6m out of £18.2.... but that is hardly the point, still no reason to hate, want him benched, dropped, sold.... yes, want him criticised yes, but the pure bile and hatred I see from some is just pure wrong and inappropriate
Your casual racism isn't funny, boomer.
People keep saying he's been poor since that great season he had in Ten Hags first year. The reality is he's been bad for much longer. I remember being disapointed when he wasnt sold the summer before that. I seem to remember a match when a ball rebounded off the keeper and he didnt bother even trying to go for it. West Ham maybe?
That was typical of his contribution at the time.
When he had that great year, I thought, 'shows you how much I know about football... I'd have got rid of him in the summer'.
The new pointing to the temple celebration was supposed to signify a new dawn; the penny had dropped, supposedly.
I Feel like he's probably lost his hunger... came on the scene very young. It may well be that his career as a seriously talented footballer is over.
As a United fan looking on it seems pathetic and frustrating...
As a 40 year old man, looking at a 27 year old man who is a multimillionaire and already achieved his dreams I totally get it.
it takes lazer like focus and unbeleivable drive and determination to be an elite-level athlete. Even the slightest loss of this will result in performances that arent good enough
That was typical of his contribution at the time.
When he had that great year, I thought, 'shows you how much I know about football... I'd have got rid of him in the summer'.
The new pointing to the temple celebration was supposed to signify a new dawn; the penny had dropped, supposedly.
I Feel like he's probably lost his hunger... came on the scene very young. It may well be that his career as a seriously talented footballer is over.
As a United fan looking on it seems pathetic and frustrating...
As a 40 year old man, looking at a 27 year old man who is a multimillionaire and already achieved his dreams I totally get it.
it takes lazer like focus and unbeleivable drive and determination to be an elite-level athlete. Even the slightest loss of this will result in performances that arent good enough
The reason people want him benched, and sold is because his attitude, application, and performance absolutely stink.
His wage packet demands a lot more than say .. someone like Malacia who is on pittance in comparison.
Just like in business, the intern is not expected to do as much as the CEO.
For context here's the excerpts from the presser:
Personally, I think that while he's offering an olive branch of sorts, he's also being diplomatic. United are better with an "on form" Rashford. But this has happened all too fleetingly in his career here. He can still work his way back into the team, if he's not mentally checked out. Which it sounds and looks like he has.
On the flip side, I understand the difference between what Amorim sees and what Rashford sees. For Amorim, trying to revitalise United is a new challenge. He just got here. For Rashford, it's been a challenge for the last 8-9 years under 5-6 different managers. New manager coming in talking about a new challenge, will feel like Groundhog Day to him.
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Personally, I think that while he's offering an olive branch of sorts, he's also being diplomatic. United are better with an "on form" Rashford. But this has happened all too fleetingly in his career here. He can still work his way back into the team, if he's not mentally checked out. Which it sounds and looks like he has.
On the flip side, I understand the difference between what Amorim sees and what Rashford sees. For Amorim, trying to revitalise United is a new challenge. He just got here. For Rashford, it's been a challenge for the last 8-9 years under 5-6 different managers. New manager coming in talking about a new challenge, will feel like Groundhog Day to him.
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He is given more than a fair opportunity. The discussion is now beyond football skills, it’s about attitude and passion on the pitch. He seems uninterested and not willing to adapt change. ETH and now Ruben ask for intensity on the pitch. With marcus, it is unfortunately the opposite. Sometimes I feel he just jogs or walks around the pitch when he should be creating space or tracking players back.
His comments about leaving just after being dropped for the city match obviously puts his attitude and commitment to question.
I read amorim’s comments about his willingness to work with him and support him. I hope ruben doesn’t make the mistake of keeping him. He anyway doesn’t fit the new formation.
Time to move on
"At least" 3 very good season in 5-6 years
? Which ones were those then beyond 22-23? Are you not manipulating statistics by restricting "very good season" to only the last 5-6 years when this is his 10th?Oh I see, so it's not Rashford's fault it's everyone elses. Ain't that a surpise.....
Is that you Marcus? Or do you work for his PR team?
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I want him sold too TBH, unless he can show me something he hasn't recently!
But the rest is hogwash, Malacia earns £75k per week, heck Obi Martin is on £30k I do not think they should get away with any less effort.
Point is his wage should have nothing to do with it, it should not be part of this discussion, another discussion about whether he or other players are overpaid, maybe, but hating on him for being overpaid, what is he meant to be a fecking idiot, it is money, if somebody pays you more than you are worth bank it and laugh....
All this money bollox is just distraction and jealousy, just boil it down to whether it is better to sell or keep player, based on performances I think the answer is clear
And as for CEO, normally do feck all and know feck all, almost certainly the hardest working person will be the intern
That's about it. New challenge, next steps, almost with an undertone the next steps are assumed to be onwards and upwards, leaving this place after outgrowing it, but not justified by the context
Instead, if there had to be an interview at all, he could have modestly agreed that we don't all reach our peak all the time, it was understandable the manager leaving him out this time, now it's not a big thing and it's behind us, roll on to opportunities to try harder and do better in the coming weeks
Hos wages go up every post, next week 500k
But who are those plenty of clubs?
Doubt he us going to Saudi, China don't do these sort of deals anymore
Loan with an obligation, would still very likely require him to accept a pay cut or us to cover part his wages
I really don’t like the fuss around this. It brings more media attention and I don’t think this is needed. We just won with City and instead of talking about it, we are talking about Marcus interview. And of course Amorim needs to reply all of those questions about him during presser .
Very very interesting to see what Amorim does on Thursday with him and Garnacho
That's absurd and not true at all.
Regarding the wage, yes it does matter, he's a senior player, a supposed star of the team and league, earning wages worthy of a world top ten player, all at the while the club is in a difficult situation with people losing their jobs left and right, he should at the very least leave no room for even debating his work ethic and dedication.
I don't see many, if at all any, contributors arguing he's not been given opportunities.
Some of the bilious reaction to Rashford is curious. He's far from the first top-earner to fall out of form for a long period, but still he's
openly discussed as 'toxic' and 'symptomatic' of all our myriad problems.
It provokes the thought something else than performance is in play here. Possibly his lifestyle. Possibly the caf's pro-right wing commentariat having their cake.
Who knows?
If he's going we should just thank him for his service, discuss replacements and move on.
Definition of the problem SAF was talking about about player becoming bigger than the club. 100 articles, podcasts, social media content and to top it off a presser specifically for Rashford.
We just beat city by actually outplaying them for the first time in like 15 years and all there is online is the media talking about the world ending because Rashford may leave, sick of it!
We just beat city by actually outplaying them for the first time in like 15 years and all there is online is the media talking about the world ending because Rashford may leave, sick of it!
What hit me the most about his PR piece is how he brushed aside the derby win to turn the attention to himself:
“but it’s happened, we won the game so let's move on. It’s disappointing but I’m also someone as I’ve got older I can deal with setbacks".
Like it's a surprise we won without him.
“but it’s happened, we won the game so let's move on. It’s disappointing but I’m also someone as I’ve got older I can deal with setbacks".
Like it's a surprise we won without him.
The more media coverage Rashford wants, the more right reasons there are to sell him right now.
I can't wait for the day the Rashford media circus is over.
I can't wait for the day the Rashford media circus is over.
The media and pundits protected him all this time. Only when Amorim came in and took action, everyone is calling Rashford out
Pogba was heavily criticised!!
Pogba was heavily criticised!!
Agree to most part. All being said and done, at 350k he is not worth any of what he brings. People are not hard on him, people are not being hard on him enough. That's the problem. He gets away with everything. No other top player for any top club will survive this. Not for this long. Only at man utd, and only him. He needs the club more than the club needs him. We need a better poster boy. If we are to move forward, you have move him on. Even on a loss. You can't be keep doing the same thing (carrying him) over and over again for years and expecting to have a positive direction all of a sudden?
To get his point across , he obviously contacted Winter to appear at this event so he could give an interview
Quality control
The ones who protect him or try to find some excuses of this situation are cu-cks. Really.
He is selfish, entitled and bad influence on the club.
Just look at the harsh truth that he isn't good enough and his mentality isn't United-worth. Accept it and move on.
Raise the standards, dear fans! Nobody cares if he is from the academy - then he surely must know what true United standards are. And he pees on them. Sorry, but that's what it is.
He is selfish, entitled and bad influence on the club.
Just look at the harsh truth that he isn't good enough and his mentality isn't United-worth. Accept it and move on.
Raise the standards, dear fans! Nobody cares if he is from the academy - then he surely must know what true United standards are. And he pees on them. Sorry, but that's what it is.
I think he had go, he's a player who's effort and output didn't match his superstar wages add to that, he doesn't fit the new managers system. That being said, I don't begrudge him doing that interview. He's trying to leave on his on terms.
Just after the game, there were not only wide spread reports about him being put up for sale, but these reports also framed his sale as the symbol of cultural reset that was needed by the club. They were pushing him out and made it public.
I stated earlier this week, I didn't see the benefit to the club briefing out those reports.
Why not send the culture message after he's left?
I'm sure I'm missing a piece of the puzzle.
This is what i mean when i say he divides the fans and provides distraction to the club everytime we need to rally up. When people begin to question him, his PR machines will pop up and some charity event will be timed to perfection. Marcus will announce he is fitter than ever and ready to step up. Next few games he will pseudo press and run from left into those blind alleys again and again until he score a few goals. We as fans will cheer him up once again. All is forgiven.
I’m just listening to talk sport , Henry Winter is speaking to Jim Whyte
I am definitely ready for a post-Rashford era new challenge. Sick of this massive hype that fizzles out to nothing when he is actually on the pitch.
The timing is really shitty in the sense that we've just out-performed City at their own ground and claimed a great victory, but we're talking about 1 of the players who wasn't even in the squad on the day instead of the 11 that were on the field.
I'm happy for him to go. He's been here a while and I feel that we've already seen the best of him. I can't see him doing better than the 30 goals in 56 games that he managed in 2022/23. Those are great stats, but I honestly consider that to be an outlier rather than the norm. He's a player who doesn't want to play up top and only seems to perform in one specific position. He is also very up and down mentally, his work rate massively fluctuates depending on his mood, and he's massively over-priced for what he produces on the pitch. He's a brand, but one that I think has out-lived his shelf life. His mouth is bigger than his talent.
A good way of thinking about it is if Rashford was on the market right now, would I beg United to sign him? The answer is no.
I'm happy for him to go. He's been here a while and I feel that we've already seen the best of him. I can't see him doing better than the 30 goals in 56 games that he managed in 2022/23. Those are great stats, but I honestly consider that to be an outlier rather than the norm. He's a player who doesn't want to play up top and only seems to perform in one specific position. He is also very up and down mentally, his work rate massively fluctuates depending on his mood, and he's massively over-priced for what he produces on the pitch. He's a brand, but one that I think has out-lived his shelf life. His mouth is bigger than his talent.
A good way of thinking about it is if Rashford was on the market right now, would I beg United to sign him? The answer is no.