Yes. They are exactly the same player type.
Marcus Rashford (Out) | Rashford: “For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps.”
- Thread starter Mainoonited
- Start date
Yes. They are exactly the same player type.
apparently he would like to play in Spain.. unless Atletico or Barcelona go crazy for him, he might very well play for another club in England, Chelsea comes to mind.
That is so true. The amount of times that has been repeatedly thrown in the arguments as if it’s the greatest feat achieved by any player ever. He scored 17 PL goals which is good, nothing more. For a top earner and supposedly top talent that should be a norm rather than an exception but people have nothing to hold on to other than that so they hang on to it for dear life. Not to mention it happened few years ago as you said and after that he’s been awful both in output and performances but somehow it is still brought up in the conversations as if it has any relevance to what he’s now as a player.
He would Like to play???
He’s not going to be full of options.
I can’t see a decent fee either.
Bad attitude and little return why would any big club take that risk? His wages are shocking for an average player.
He’s not going to be full of options.
I can’t see a decent fee either.
Bad attitude and little return why would any big club take that risk? His wages are shocking for an average player.
An 8/10 player on his day, but that hasn't happened in a few years, been a 5/10 player for a long time. He had the potential to be a step or 2 down from the best out there but hasn't improved in years, in fact he has regressed.
Nothing to say about the person, but I dislike the player. His PR had the opposite effect and strangely, he never realised that. Can't wait to see the back of the player, regardless of being homegrown etc. But I want to see more homegrown in the first team, noone has been integrated this season, maybe Collyer will be the one when he overcomes his injury.
Nothing to say about the person, but I dislike the player. His PR had the opposite effect and strangely, he never realised that. Can't wait to see the back of the player, regardless of being homegrown etc. But I want to see more homegrown in the first team, noone has been integrated this season, maybe Collyer will be the one when he overcomes his injury.
The imminent ruling on City could put the wind up clubs immediately before we try to sell him in Jan (if I've got my dates right). If he goes elsewhere in the Premier League, can't see which club could afford the wages and the fee, and have the appetite for this kind of deal when they're taking on a player so inconsistent. Someone here mentioned he can be devasting, which is true, but as a sub/squad player, not a starter. For some inexplicable reason, he has not managed to learn how to look after the ball with short simple passes, in high-pressure games, and remains prone to bad touches.
Just generally saddened by this, given how skilful/exciting he was in his first three seasons, even though it's for the best. Bad attitude? Possibly. Bad body language on the field? Definitely.
Just generally saddened by this, given how skilful/exciting he was in his first three seasons, even though it's for the best. Bad attitude? Possibly. Bad body language on the field? Definitely.
I just don't get people thinking this, he's never been an effective number 9, and never will be. Mourinho said it 5 years ago and nothing has changed my mind on it.
The lad can't win that way. If he does nothing they will moan, when he does something it is just PR. Maybe, just maybe he is actually a nice lad. Think the main thing for Marcus is make sure you have good people round you and ditch any who are a bad influence.
Who would buy him?
PSG ship has sailed. Barca is broke. Italian clubs likely only want to loan, with United paying 80% of his wage
Do Chelsea need another luxury signing?
PSG ship has sailed. Barca is broke. Italian clubs likely only want to loan, with United paying 80% of his wage
Do Chelsea need another luxury signing?
Good that he seems willing to leave, its not been working out for a long time.
Regardless of what I think of his effort, performances, PR stuff etc. he's still a united academy graduate and I wish him well wherever he goes.
Regardless of what I think of his effort, performances, PR stuff etc. he's still a united academy graduate and I wish him well wherever he goes.
If we have to then we should be able to subsidize his sale. Because he is not only tapping into the finacial side of things. At this point, his mere presence is problematic for the club to move freely anywhere.
1) He is a poster boy, an underperforming one for years, taking in large amount of money. Every time a manager plays him or drops him, it divides the fans. He could do charity anonymously but seems deliberate well timed to coincide with scrunity he gets. I could be wrong. Its another distraction we could be without until we get to our winning ways once again.
2) He sets a tone of mediocrity that trickles down all over the club. Having a star underperforming colleague that pays twice as much as you, will motivate nobody. What are we trying to tell the kids coming up? Be mediocre and as long as you are local boy you are entitled for large amount of money.
3) How many times that we passed up decent punts on player because someone says 'because marcus plays that role already'.
4) Being ruthless now is mandatory at this stage because its been a decade now, and its getting harder and harder to get back to the winning ways. You are allowed to be sentimental only when you are winning. This will clearly send a message and fortify the direction the club is taking.
No top clubs will tolerate marcus. Not even as a squad player.
I think Ole has a lot to answer for. If Marcus had refused to play people would have said he is a waste of space, he didn't and I think it the reason he has lost his pace.
Is it really required? He was left out for disciplinary reason and then just after that he does this big interview where he responds to the issue with announcing he is open to leave with 5 months still left in the season?
Wonder if we can get him to Dortmund in January. We'd have to cover most of the wage of course but could really help boost interest ahead of the summer
Attacking football with pace, less pressure than OT, CL matches - Sancho mk II
Attacking football with pace, less pressure than OT, CL matches - Sancho mk II
He isn't bitching though, he is being very respectful to the club which is the polar opposite to Sancho.
The manager said it wasn't disciplinary reasons, so is Amorin a liar.
Agreed.
Also I'm curious if Rashford really understood he will not work out in this type of football where you cannot hide without workrate and came to a conclusion it is better for him to move on or if this is just a petulant response to him being overlooked for a game vs. City.
PSG or Dortmund would be good destinations for him. Don't see any spanish club go for him. Maybe Chelsea could help us?
He was thrust into the spotlight early, then stayed there. Young players need managing properly for their physical development as well as their development as people. Then the club and the people round him negotiate a massive contract without thinking about if he can handle the pressue that will put on the player. The business with playing through injuries. The manager at the time and our medical team seem very negligent as to what sort of injuries you can play through and which could cause damage down the line to the player involved.
It was a lose-lose situation for both Marcus and Ole. As you say there, Rashford would've been criticised for wanting a break had he not run his body into the ground. It's not just pace he lost but his acceleration and agility took a hit, too.
With Ole, either he rested him which would've inevitably cost us points and ultimately his job, or, what actually happened, he played him too much.
This goes for Martial, too. They were both in the forms of their lives in 19/20 before their bodies broke down from over-reliance, and it all goes back to our poor recruitment. We had to rely on them two so much because we built a squad that was terrible. Outside of them, Pogba was injured, Greenwood was still settling into 1st team football, and Bruno came in the 2nd half of the season which, by that point, Rashford was already dead on his feet. Everyone else was useless in an attacking sense.
I still think both would've gone on to be top class players had things been different.
Lets not forget that embarrassing press conference where Ole basically apologized to Rashford for telling him to focus more on football. Sure injuries and overuse played a part but Rashford also just always lacked that football iq and that fight(apart from him early years). It's quite telling that a new manager has thrown down the gauntlet and as the star player/homegrown talent/ highest paid guy what do you do? Basically say I'm out.
Nope, no excuse for personal hate. Plenty of players were poor last season. Criticise on performances not personal insults.
You think I'm not aware of the players who have gone onto to do well as well? And those players who you've mentioned have hardly set the world on the fire. The 4 players listed (and others) have been brilliant in patches but clearly have had a detrimental impact in the dressing room in the past decade. You can't underestimate how a strong bonded dressing room is important to success. These players have let the club down outside of the club and in the dressing room. They are a symptom of the falling standards and rotting culture that have enveloped the club since Ferguson.
One thing to note about Rashford, ETH put him on the bench and that didn’t have an effect. Garnacho took his place and that didn’t have an effect. Before that, both Lingard and Mctom were sold and that didn’t have an effect.
Also, few years ago, he was everywhere in terms of PR, he was seen as an inspiring figure for young generation. He was in almost every sports related ad.
Something happened 2 years ago, maybe it was his injury, maybe it’s something personal.
I think he’s absolutely burned out of football, and he may had a revelation that he already achieved everything he dreamed of, so it’s really hard to get motivated again. Sidelining him won’t make an impact and if it did, it’ll be temporary.
During his injury he had time to stop and reflect, maybe he decided that his health is more important than money (he seems to still love football, but maybe not on the expense of other things like health).
I suspect same thing happened to Martial with his family.
Also, few years ago, he was everywhere in terms of PR, he was seen as an inspiring figure for young generation. He was in almost every sports related ad.
Something happened 2 years ago, maybe it was his injury, maybe it’s something personal.
I think he’s absolutely burned out of football, and he may had a revelation that he already achieved everything he dreamed of, so it’s really hard to get motivated again. Sidelining him won’t make an impact and if it did, it’ll be temporary.
During his injury he had time to stop and reflect, maybe he decided that his health is more important than money (he seems to still love football, but maybe not on the expense of other things like health).
I suspect same thing happened to Martial with his family.
Mudryk might be banned so there’s a place on the bench for him available
Maybe he's a nice lad, maybe he isn't. You don't know. I don't know. Unless you plan to stalk him, who cares? All we do know is his performances aren't acceptable, he is terrible value for money, and he needs to be moved on for football reasons
You're discounting the money we can set from selling him, that would fund the money needed to get a replacement. His 300k contract is going to cost 47nmil over the next 3 years so you can definitely save a lot of money by not having that in the book but rather someone on 200k per week.
Just doesn't make financial sense keeping him as a backup to Hojlund, if Amorin doesn't feel he is good enough to start.
If Rashford got his game on, and got near his peak, he'd be a decent option for Barcelona. They don't have anyone natural on the left. Raphina is better on the right and Yamal is getting a few injuries. I'm not sure Marcus has the mentality to be successful wherever he goes, it'll be interesting to see.
I don't mind people criticising his performances, that is justified. Some of his off the field stuff has been silly as well. However criticising charity work is unfair. The off field stuff is why I mentioned being more choosy who you surround yourself with.
He could take a leaf from Maguire's book. There is a player who has truly been made a scapegoat and has continuously come back from it and performed reasonably well.
It amuses me that this isn’t even the headline story on BBC football site.
What’s ahead of him? ‘Football latest. Women’s Champions League Reaction’
What’s ahead of him? ‘Football latest. Women’s Champions League Reaction’
Not surprising that he's using his go-to-guy Winter in an attempt to own the narrative. Nothing wrong with that considering he has lost the fanbase a long time ago anyway. The problem with using Winter is because of his style it comes across as too self-indulgent. I'm surprised that many people haven't noticed the heavily use of PR from Rashford's team. He has also not been bad commitment-wise just "the last couple of years". Remember when he had to make a statement after the Europa final under Ole where he said "I do care, I'm a massive United fan". That game really highligheted what we now see as standard application from him.
It's obviously way sadder to see it has come to this since he's a local lad, but then again we hardly saw the local lad attitude on the pitch. And him, along side several others over the last decade or so, has really dimminished the value of having that tag anyway.
Now that the cat's out of the bag, I'm hopeful that he will, as a United fan, use his last act as a player to perform on a higher level and use his PR team to drum up the interest and value before he's eventually sold in January or in the summer.
It's obviously way sadder to see it has come to this since he's a local lad, but then again we hardly saw the local lad attitude on the pitch. And him, along side several others over the last decade or so, has really dimminished the value of having that tag anyway.
Now that the cat's out of the bag, I'm hopeful that he will, as a United fan, use his last act as a player to perform on a higher level and use his PR team to drum up the interest and value before he's eventually sold in January or in the summer.
I was referring specifically to the bit where he says he’s ready for a new challenge, and that he is talking about ‘when’ not ‘if’ he leaves. Sounds like a done deal in his mind at least, and that is a shame. I would have loved Marcus to smash it for us season in, season out and ultimately he hasn’t done that yet. That is also a shame.
Yeah looks like something has been agreed behind the scenes or discussions. Same as you, would have liked him to rediscover his top form here but now doesnt look like that will happen.
It's time for him to leave. We've mismanaged him and allowed it to get to this stage because we've been a mismanaged club.
The problem with Rashford is that, as much as we hoped he'd become THE talisman for us, he never did. But because we didn't have alternative options and he is capable of truly magical moments, he was elevated to a position he never truly deserved.
We've tolerated the lack of effort, the dry spells and the frustrating runs into dead ends because who else was going to do what he is capable of doing when it all clicks into place.
He's a supporting player that's been given the lead role because there are no other candidates, but he's always been more of a Nani or Walcott than a Ronaldo or Henry. It's our desperation that means he had the pay and the status of an Henry or Ronaldo.
The problem with Rashford is that, as much as we hoped he'd become THE talisman for us, he never did. But because we didn't have alternative options and he is capable of truly magical moments, he was elevated to a position he never truly deserved.
We've tolerated the lack of effort, the dry spells and the frustrating runs into dead ends because who else was going to do what he is capable of doing when it all clicks into place.
He's a supporting player that's been given the lead role because there are no other candidates, but he's always been more of a Nani or Walcott than a Ronaldo or Henry. It's our desperation that means he had the pay and the status of an Henry or Ronaldo.
Cry me a river those who are upset to be losing a local player. Of course It’s brilliant when a local lad from the academy succeeds at the club.
But it doesn’t sadden me that a local lad is leaving. How many before him have left…albeit much earlier. Shawcross, Bardsley, Wallwork, Curtis, Garner, Keane, Thorpe… The list is long
I couldn’t care less that he’s local. If you ain’t good enough I don’t want you in the squad. And many of the most successful/exciting players aren’t local lads. Kanchelskis, Ronaldo, Cantona, Ruud, Vidic…the list is long
It’s time to cut the chord. It has been for a long time.
I also wonder that if/when he does leave, whilst he’s said he won’t slander the club…it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if he has a pop at fans and the criticism he has faced
But it doesn’t sadden me that a local lad is leaving. How many before him have left…albeit much earlier. Shawcross, Bardsley, Wallwork, Curtis, Garner, Keane, Thorpe… The list is long
I couldn’t care less that he’s local. If you ain’t good enough I don’t want you in the squad. And many of the most successful/exciting players aren’t local lads. Kanchelskis, Ronaldo, Cantona, Ruud, Vidic…the list is long
It’s time to cut the chord. It has been for a long time.
I also wonder that if/when he does leave, whilst he’s said he won’t slander the club…it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if he has a pop at fans and the criticism he has faced
Can't see us selling to a PL rival and can't see Rashford being overly interested in that
Why do people keep ignoring the guardian article that said he was going to be elt go as part of a cultural reboot. That obviously came from the club ans his interview is a response to that
Or them being overly interested in him