Yep, sums it up for me.
Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids
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Big decision to make. I'd lean towards selling if there's a strong offer (£80m?), but don't mind him staying if the club are convinced he's going to knuckle down.
Let me put it in the simplist terms, ignoring for a sec his valyation and instead taking the smallest value quoted on here...
Whether or not 60m is a good deal or a bad deal, if that opens up 300m of FFP allowance then that is immense.
Whether or not 60m is a good deal or a bad deal, if that opens up 300m of FFP allowance then that is immense.
What; we okay garnacho left and Olise right? And we finally have 2 strikers, one of whom who can play a little deeper like teddy sheringham
Exactly, selling him and McTominay we could transform the team if it's like 120 Mil combined.
Can't have a underperforming player on 350k a week. Our wage structure is fecked and he is one of the highest earners not contributing. Time to go when we have value for some of our players and that includes McTominay and Maguire. We hold on to players for far too long and they leave for free.
I never would have entertained the thought before. Now I’m starting to think a change for everyone might be for the best.
Obviously depends on us getting a top class replacement.
Obviously depends on us getting a top class replacement.
I'd be looking to sell and replacing him with a high potential, talented teenager/player in their early 20's.
1 more league goal, what an argument...you're just proving my point. Last year Kvara played for the best team in the league, got 25 goal involments in Serie A, and 31 in all competitions. Now Napoli are struggling and so is he.
Rashford had the better season last year in a much stronger league, in a team that wasn't dominating like Napoli at all.
This season they almost have identical stats.
Sorry but I can’t for the life of me fathom anyone paying close to a 100 mil for Rashford. We need a club as clueless as ours to put in an offer for that to happen.
I think he's massively overrated but if Maguire cost 80m, I would certainly been looking for circa 100m for him.
The endless parade of players all have one thing in common they aren't Rashford and the willingness to sell one for peanuts and buy the other for a premium price probably only to find out they aren't probably that dissimilar is hilarious to me
If something like 120-150 million came in, we'd be foolish to reject. We can get 2 equally good players for that money and still save on salary.
This is what we hope INEOS will fix but it's hard to negotation realistic players remuneration when they can point to players at the club on twice their package.
Fixing recruitment at united involves fixing it holistically including salaries, agent fees, transfer fees both in and out.
As much as I'd prefer it for Varane and Casemiro to stay here another season i can see the thinking in getting rid if possible and reducing the number of players outside the desired wage structure (assume get Todibo/Andre or similar)
Hope they put serious money on the table.
What about Ronaldo and Sancho? Surely you can feel that things are changing here?
I think Rashford needs a new challenge. So, if we get a good fee, it'll be good for both parties to move on.
The lad has been at the club for years and has gone stale in my view. On form, he's brilliant. SJR and Brailsford will not entertain any passengers or cruisers. I would bundle in Antony in a £120m asking price for the pair. That would save £20m in salaries pa. We have the likes of Shea Lacey, who can't be far off the first team, coming through. Blood a few kids in the Summer tour and keep the tradition of academy players coming through rather than try and buy a team like City.
You are being very disingenuous if you are trying to pretend the handling of those two points to the contrary. What happened has nothing to do with any supposed change in club culture. Ronaldo pushed to leave the club and made his position untenable with that interview. Sancho got into a dispute with the acting manager by effectively calling him a liar on social media, and then being sidelined by said manager, and not apologizing. And he is still employed by the club, for that matter. Both cases of blatant unprofessionalism.
Rashford's case is entirely different. He is the "Manc born and bred" player, the local poster child, and a very marketable asset. Which is something that has been proven over time to be considered of utmost importance by this club. And he has yet to bring the club into disrepute. So, the club will have to make a conscious decision between marketability and sentimentality, and competitive performance.
Of course, all of this was before INEOS's involvement. If both Sancho and Rashford get jettisoned in the summer, then yeah, I will agree with you things are changing in that regard.
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I’m just pondering, what price I would sell Rashford to PSG for..
On one side, he was electric last year. On the other side, he seems miserable and a bad role model for the younger lads.
so, what number would you say yes to?
Mine is £140m
On one side, he was electric last year. On the other side, he seems miserable and a bad role model for the younger lads.
so, what number would you say yes to?
Mine is £140m
Bad role model ?
Come on now, ffs.
Come on now, ffs.
Why are you saying this like it is matter of fact? I highly doubt that's what he said when he was subbed vs Newcastle, and unless you're a professional lip reader, you can't say for certain that he did.
So the player is bigger than the club?
Rashford doesn't have big numbers ans he's rarely ready to do it !
Buying a talented player with a good attitude and selling one with a bad one for break even money is a good deal.
Even a lip reader is guessing and the context is key also, he could have been talking about himself I'm sure we all thought what the feck am I doing at certain points, it's a leap to try and put context to it as well as what was actually said
Exactly. It's very transparent what people are doing when they strip that of it's context and declare it as matter of fact. There are plenty of other ways of saying you dislike Rashford without looking like a naive child.
Everybody has their price. I doubt PSG will give United the price required to take him away.
Lacey isn’t remotely close to being ready to feature in the first team.
Lacey isn’t remotely close to being ready to feature in the first team.
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North of £100m and I’d be willingx
Stats aside, I think he's probably one of, if not the best dribbler in world football right now. Plus him being double teamed would mean more space for our other attackers.
I don't get the marketing thing. We sold Beckham who was a truly global superstar. Rashford is nowhere close to that status.
Anyway, we should have sold last summer instead of renewing. If we have this summer a chance to sell even better. 18 good months the last 4 years is laughable for the most well paid player in the team.
He has some good traits but he is inability to understand how to press and his lack of improvement in decision making, makes him just a decent top 8 Pl player.
If we want to aim higher, he should be sold.
Anyway, we should have sold last summer instead of renewing. If we have this summer a chance to sell even better. 18 good months the last 4 years is laughable for the most well paid player in the team.
He has some good traits but he is inability to understand how to press and his lack of improvement in decision making, makes him just a decent top 8 Pl player.
If we want to aim higher, he should be sold.
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That's actually a good point. I worry that the club would be too protective because he's one of our academy successes and he's the star player but we have history, like with with Beckham who was a far far bigger icon and sold. Becks must have been about 27/28 too when he left.
There's about a minimum of 15 games left this season so we'll probably assess then but from both a business and football point of view surely it must be worth considering.
Do people actually think we’d get anything like 80-100m for him? Maybe I’m way off but that seems actually bonkers.
When you look at the transfer fees being shelled out for unproven players in weak leagues like Mudryk and Antony, I think we could easily get 80-100m for a 26 year old who has had multiple 20+ goal seasons and has several years left on his contract.
I am pretty sure he isn’t happy in the club anymore. So selling him won’t be the worst idea if the opportunity comes. He needs new challenges and we need a hungry new player, both will benefit from a sell.
But we really need to stop spend huge fees on players like Antony
But we really need to stop spend huge fees on players like Antony
Its bizarre. I watched Doku today, who everyone has been raving about, and he’s not even close to Rashford’s level. People genuinely seem to want to sell the best left winger in the league with no seeming plan as to who might possibly replace him.
The player I’ve seen most “Rashford out” “fans” on here suggest is Kvaratskhelia. I checked his stats earlier and he has the same GA this season as Rashford, who is apparently so out of form that he needs to be sold, in the equivalent of 4 and a half more matches. Perhaps that’s because Napoli have been poor this season and he isn’t getting the service (Rashford, of course, is getting world class supply from Antony and Højlund) but then I look at last season and he still had 10 less GA than Rashford, in the title winning team in Italy.
Generally, this forum needs a severe reality check on how many left wingers are actually better than Rashford. If most people had their way, we’d have two Antony’s chugging up and down the wing, earning consistent praise for tracking back usually after they themselves had given the ball away, whilst providing the square root of 0 in terms of actually putting the ball in the net.
If we were buying him, do you think we’d be quoted 80m? They’d want 100 plus, easy.
Garnacho to the left, somebody like Andringa/Olise/Neto on the right, depends on what type of player we are after - we'd get shagged for money as usual though. It always sets the players up to fail.
Did you miss out a zero here? Martinelli was 20GA behind Rashford last year. He’s also behind him this season, playing for one of the most attacking teams in the league, who have 25 more league goals than we do (nearly double).
I appreciate the sentiment of getting Garnacho on the left and reinforcing the right instead, but you are aware that you just named three players with about 30 PL matches between them this season, right?
I missed out "PL" before goal contributions - my bad. As I said, I'd rather Rashford hit form again with us, but my point is more that if we got good money for Rashford (and we really ought to be getting very good money if he does want to go) then we might find that the left wing position could be filled by a player around the level of a Martinelli if we could then strengthen other areas. Garnacho being one such candidate.
We've seen how hard it is for us to attack with much conviction when Rashford does go off the boil, so I can understand the point of view that we could move him on and strengthen the overall quality of the squad. Him going off the boil for the second season out of three does make it something worth considering.
Doku is 21 years old. Like Garnacho he's still learning and although i don't really have an opinion on him you do cut some slack for kids that age.
If there are people guilty of underrating Rashford on here (true) then there are people guilty of severely overrating him too. One post said that he could finish the season with ten-fifteen goals yet but is that really good enough for an elite level striker on 350K a week especially when he's been dire for most of the season? Unless things change between now and the end of the season this will be his second bad season in three years. It's not a good look for a player on such an enormous salary and with well documented disciplinary issues.
This is the heart of the issue. Fans want Rashford to be a level on par with Mbappe, Henry in his prime, or Salah, and it probably just isn't going to happen at this stage. His goals were absolutely crucial to us getting top 4 last year and we need him for the rest of the season but i'm just not seeing an elite level talent who will win us league titles. Taking the money and reinvesting it in a player who will work better with EtH's tactics and system wouldn't be such a bad idea if its done well.
Yeah, all 3 have immense talent. Medical staff will need to do their due diligence but those are the type of players I would like.