Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

I’d sell. I think we will too as he doesn’t seem happy here. If we replace the manager though I expect he’ll wanna stay
 
We need to pull a Barca and get a grip on our contract situation. It starts with Rashford.

I'd happily have him here on decent wages to rotate with Garnacho on the left but that's not what he expects or what his contract suggests.
 
Coutinho kinda sale but we need to sign quality. I don't trust the board to get it right.
 
Not productive or useful enough anymore, well and use it to reinforce. Anytime he plays he frustrates me with his lack of tracking back. Against Villa last week when Shaw went off, Lindelof had a torrid time defending with no support from Rashford.
Get good money now for him and get someone on lower wages that puts more effort in.
 
I would be quite happy to sell. I also think that PSG are probably our only realistic prospect in terms of ever selling him, with regards to being a club that can afford his wages etc.
 
he may be a genuinely happier person at psg as he’d score a lot of goals in a weaker league and wouldnt be expected to do as much defensive work. he’d also be gauranteed to play in the champions league. i could see it working for all parties.
 
Said on another thread, for £100m, I'd let him go. I'd even let him go for £80m. This is not even close to the same thing as losing a Ronaldo or Ruud in the past. A truly great player kicks on from a 30-goal season, not regress back to square one. I've seen all I need to see. He's not a great.
 
As usual peoples agendas against him are showing in this thread, a consistent theme on this forum is we don't sell our players for the correct value and here we have people saying they would wilfully sell him for £40/60 million, would I sell him? possibly everyone has a price but it wouldn't be for the money quotes in some of these posts thats for sure
 
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I thought PSG had given up on the Galacticos idea and were trying to build a Francophone core to the team and build out from their youth system?

Marcus Rashford is literally the last thing that fits with this new direction for the club.
 
foolsgold said:
I thought PSG had given up on the Galacticos idea and were trying to build a Francophone core to the team and build out from their youth system?

Marcus Rashford is literally the last thing that fits with this new direction for the club.
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yes, it's just a lazy story, never going ot happen.
 
foolsgold said:
I thought PSG had given up on the Galacticos idea and were trying to build a Francophone core to the team and build out from their youth system?

Marcus Rashford is literally the last thing that fits with this new direction for the club.
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As United fans, we should all know full well that it takes more than just saying "cultural reboot" a couple of times for it to actually happen. If PSG lose Mbappe, it's completely within the realms of possibility they have a Barca post-Neymar-style scramble.

I do think they'd have a much easier time getting one of the Series A pair than Rashford though. Even the report says they'd need significant encouragement from his camp to consider a move.
 
SmashedHombre said:
I’d sell. Problem is I wouldn’t trust ETH to replace him.
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Definitely sell, and with the recent off field recruits you don't have to trust ETH as ETH won't be taking the replacement decision.

Rashford and PSG are a match made in heaven, they can both flatter to deceive in a farmers league and turn it on occasionally in the Champions League before being dumped out by a decent team in the quarter finals.
 
Gavinb33 said:
As usual peoples agendas against him are showing in this thread, a consistent theme on this forum is we don't sell our players for the correct value and here we have people saying they would wilfully sell him for £40/60 million, would I sell him? possibly everyone has a price but it wouldn't be for the money quotes in some of these posts thats for sure
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It's not an agenda. It's a standard strategy. Ralf Ragnick implemented it during his time at clubs before us and all teams try to do it.

Buy players on their 2nd or 3rd professional contract when they are established and hungry for success.

Sell them on their 4th professional contract when typically you are selling them at maximum value when their form and drive have typically plateaued. This allows you to continue the cycle always having ready made replacements in the squad or the academy.
 
3KDré said:
How many games have you actually watched, though? This happens quite often, we tend to overlook an opposition team's players' weaknesses especially because we don't actually watch enough games to see them. It's like how lots of people think Kimmich is a great 6 but if you ask most Bayern fans they say he needs a 6 next to him. If you ask most other fans who our best player is they would say Rashford. Ask the average United fan nowadays, I reckon most would say Martinez or Bruno.
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I'll admit that I'm limited to games on Tnt and I'll confess that's doesn't make me any kind of expert on him. I've also said that he wouldn't be the one I choose to replace Rashford.
 
Paul778 said:
It's not an agenda. It's a standard strategy. Ralf Ragnick implemented it during his time at clubs before us and all teams try to do it.

Buy players on their 2nd or 3rd professional contract when they are established and hungry for success.

Sell them on their 4th professional contract when typically you are selling them more maximum value allow you to continue the cycle, always having ready made replacements in the squad or the academy.
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I was talking about people saying we should sell for £40/60 million which is bollocks, not that we shouldn't sell maybe we should but not for them prices
 
Gavinb33 said:
I was talking about people saying we should sell for £40/60 million which is bollocks, not that we shouldn't sell maybe we should but not for them prices
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It's nonsense to think he's worth 80/100 million. No club is going to pay that for a bang average player and if we're honest, that's what he is.
 
I'd drive him to the airport myself, but this club doesn't have the competitive and ruthless streak necessary to cast off weight like this, even if PSG came with an appropriate offer, which would be in £75 million range. Marketing comes first, and he is the precious poster boy of the club. His image is mired in sentimentality and PR. And he is also the big man at the club making the big bucks.

This move would be great for us, and even for him perhaps, but it just won't happen. More likely he will celebrate his 30th here, having achieved much financially and very little competitively.
 
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Gavinb33 said:
I was talking about people saying we should sell for £40/60 million which is bollocks, not that we shouldn't sell maybe we should but not for them prices
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Ah yes. That's a different question. I know you are buying potential but you are also taking on risk so if the going rate for Hojlund with less than 30 goals in lower leagues is 70m+ then paying less for an established international is madness.

Can't wait for the INEOS guys to be in and tell clubs where to go with their lowball offers. Case in point Sancho and Dortmund briefing they can't afford to buy him proper because they fleeced us when they sold him to us.
 
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Hojlund cost £70+ ffs, Leao who has scored 7 goals in a weaker league this year is quoted today at £80 million and yet we'd somehow not get 80 for Rashford.....
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Maybe that's how it works on Football Manager but there's more context to a transfer that just stating the fee ffs
 
Widow said:
It's nonsense to think he's worth 80/100 million. No club is going to pay that for a bang average player and if we're honest, that's what he is.
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He's averaged a goal or assist every other game over the last 8 years. Considering he was a teenager for two of those years, that's a bloody good return. He's also 26, of a high profile, homegrown, on a long contract, and is capable of long stretches of form during which he is a matchwinner at the highest level.

But yeah, you don't like him, so we better sack him off on the cheap.

Widow said:
Maybe that's how it works on Football Manager but there's more context to a transfer that just stating the fee ffs
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Funny you mention context when you've chosen to ignore it yourself.
 
didz said:
He's averaged a goal or assist every other game over the last 8 years. Considering he was a teenager for two of those years, that's a bloody good return. He's also 26, of a high profile, homegrown, on a long contract, and is capable of long stretches of form during which he is a matchwinner at the highest level.

But yeah, you don't like him, so we better sack him off on the cheap.



Funny you mention context when you've chosen to ignore it yourself.
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I never said that I don't like him, he's just not an elite player but as a fan boy you think whatever you like. It's also easy to make it look good when combining his total numbers. His good years mask his many poor years that way.

In the league, he's scored double figures 4 times from 9 seasons with 2 of those being 10 & 11 and the others being 17, so twice in the league he's managed just under 1 in 2. The league is the messure of a player as that's the trophy we really want to get our hands on, right?
 
Widow said:
I never said that I don't like him, he's just not an elite player but as a fan boy you think whatever you like. It's also easy to make it look good when combining his total numbers. His good years mask his many poor years that way.

In the league, he's scored double figures 4 times from 9 seasons with 2 of those being 10 & 11 and the others being 17, so twice in the league he's managed just under 1 in 2. The league is the messure of a player as that's the trophy we really want to get our hands on, right?
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As soon as you use the words 'fan boy' in defending your opinion your true colours shine through, another for the ignore list
 
Widow said:
I never said that I don't like him, he's just not an elite player but as a fan boy you think whatever you like. It's also easy to make it look good when combining his total numbers. His good years mask his many poor years that way.

In the league, he's scored double figures 4 times from 9 seasons with 2 of those being 10 & 11 and the others being 17, so twice in the league he's managed just under 1 in 2. The league is the messure of a player as that's the trophy we really want to get our hands on, right?
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Youve got your own total numbers argument backwards. His two poor seasons mask his high level of return in the others. If I wanted to make him look good, I'd have just taken out those seasons and the two where he was a teenager.

But given that, in your world, everyone who doesn't think Rashford is worth significantly less than Mudryk is a fanboy, there really isn't much point in arguing with you.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Marcus is just the latest scapegoat in a long line, seemingly because he’s human, has human traits and emotions, and is fallible like a human. He seems to be held responsible for not single-handedly winning us every treble since his debut, and there is more than a touch of jealousy of his wages and lifestyle too. It’s sad really.
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You genuinely don't see any valid reasons so many dislike him?
 
didz said:
Youve got your own total numbers argument backwards. His two poor seasons mask his high level of return in the others. If I wanted to make him look good, I'd have just taken out those seasons and the two where he was a teenager.

But given that, in your world, everyone who doesn't think Rashford is worth significantly less than Mudryk is a fanboy, there really isn't much point in arguing with you.
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I'm not arguing, just sharing an opinion. I'm struggling to see these many seasons of high class you speak of. 10 & 11 league goals certainly doesn't back that up and he's manged just two years above this so I'm not sure what you're on about tbh.

I just can't ever see him being consistently good enough to make United great again, not only in the final third but also tracking back. It's clear that you do though and that's fine, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
 
Selling Rashford would be great, doubt it will happen though.

£90m please.
 
OleGunnar20 said:
You genuinely don't see any valid reasons so many dislike him?
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A senior player caught on camera saying why am I at the effn club. Hardly tries a leg most of the time. Never looks happy in a United jersey. Is in total prima Donna mode. His choice of when to party. You can go on and on. It’s probably the right thing for Marcus too. He could kick start his career. Go to a club where he is a star. Keeps PSG in the limelight and is far less a prima donna as the Mbappe show. Anything over £75 would have to be seriously considered imo.
 
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Widow said:
I'm not arguing, just sharing an opinion. I'm struggling to see these many seasons of high class you speak of. 10 & 11 league goals certainly doesn't back that up and he's manged just two years above this so I'm not sure what you're on about tbh.

I just can't ever see him being consistently good enough to make United great again, not only in the final third but also tracking back. It's clear that you do though and that's fine, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
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When he scored 11 he assisted 9, and when he scored 10 he assisted 6. Those are productive seasons well above that of an average player, before even going into his two standout seasons. If he stays, he'll likely be the next player to join the PL's 100 club, in which there are currently 34 players many of whom took well over 10 full campaigns to hit that number. Again, that isn't the feat on an average footballer.

Now whether or not he will be part of a revolution at United I'm more than happy to debate and, as I've posted in this very thread, I don't think he'd be as difficult to replace as many others seem to.

But a big part of the club improving its fortunes will be to stop getting taken for a ride, and when our own fans seem to think a 26-year-old homegrown player on a long term deal should be shipped out for peanuts just because, it's a little worrying.
 
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