Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

If it’s true, it’s another mistake early doors. The dressing room needs sorted and Rashford is the most senior member of it who is visibly not fussed.

He absolutely needs to go.
 
It sounds like an invitation for his agent to start a bidding war for him if he can.
 
I don't think we should sell him tbh. I don't see us being able to get in any player that can offer 20+ goals per season to replace him. Rashford's reached a 30 goal season. There are very few players in the world capable of that. I understand the frustration with his performances this season but who do people realistically think we're going to bring in to replace him? He's been rubbish this season and he's still one of our top scorers.
 
Can't see any other club paying Rashford what he currently earns so if we'll only move him on if he wants it, can't see him going anywhere
 
It sounds like an invitation for his agent to start a bidding war for him if he can.
I genuinely can't think of more than one club tabling an offer. If we exclude Saudi since hel never go there.
 
Can't see any other club paying Rashford what he currently earns so if we'll only move him on if he wants it, can't see him going anywhere

When he said 'enough is enough', I got the feeling he's genuinely had enough, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's communicated this to his agent and/or the club. It doesn't take a body language expert to see he's not been right here for a long time, and I struggle to see how he'd want to stay and be so miserable. I've wanted the guy out for a long time because I think his attitude is poor and he was vastly overrated as a player along with being over pampered by the club, but I also think it will be a good thing for him now to leave. A fresh start abroad would probably do him well.
 
That’s a lot of ifs!
Sure, because:
  1. Rashford is likely to better on average than any replacement that could be signed. All the players he has seen seen off pay testament to that, so United have no reason to want to sell.
  2. Everybody always has their price anyway.
  3. Nobody can be made to leave against their will.
 
When he said 'enough is enough', I got the feeling he's genuinely had enough, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's communicated this to his agent and/or the club. It doesn't take a body language expert to see he's not been right here for a long time, and I struggle to see how he'd want to stay and be so miserable. I've wanted the guy out for a long time because I think his attitude is poor and he was vastly overrated as a player along with being over pampered by the club, but I also think it will be a good thing for him now to leave. A fresh start abroad would probably do him well.
I hope you're right. Would be beneficial for both parties.
 
Disappointing, but unsurprising news. No one was paying him anywhere close to the wages he gets in this club anyway.
 
I would be really shocked if we were able to sell him for what we would perceive as a good price. Feel like we probably value him more than the Rest of Europe see his price. Surely we would want over a 100 mil, probably closer to 120.

Then there is his celebrity. He just seems impossible to sell.
 
I don't think we should sell him tbh. I don't see us being able to get in any player that can offer 20+ goals per season to replace him. Rashford's reached a 30 goal season. There are very few players in the world capable of that. I understand the frustration with his performances this season but who do people realistically think we're going to bring in to replace him? He's been rubbish this season and he's still one of our top scorers.

He's been rubbish the majority of his time at the club. He's an arrogant show pony.

Replacements for his abject showing this season shouldn't be hard for a club like United to do and if it is then God help us.

Rashford isn't and will never be the talisman.

Sell and move on
 
That's basically a 'come and get him' plea from the club whilst trying to not seem too desperate.
 
He's been rubbish the majority of his time at the club. He's an arrogant show pony.

Replacements for his abject showing this season shouldn't be hard for a club like United to do and if it is then God help us.

Rashford isn't and will never be the talisman.

Sell and move on
Considering the last 2 wingers we signed were Sancho and Antony I think this is a pretty naive thing to say
 
Rashford isn't an elite player. If a stupid offer comes in, grab it and say thanks.
We aren't exactly fending off suitors with a stick are we?

Stuck up for him for years, but he hasn't done enough and has zero consistency.
 
Considering the last 2 wingers we signed were Sancho and Antony I think this is a pretty naive thing to say

Both of those looked unreal in their previous teams, and too many top level players have flopped here.
Something wrong with what we do with players, don't know why so many have turned to dust here.

Am hopeful that the next manager will put an end to this.
 
I don't think we should sell him tbh. I don't see us being able to get in any player that can offer 20+ goals per season to replace him. Rashford's reached a 30 goal season. There are very few players in the world capable of that. I understand the frustration with his performances this season but who do people realistically think we're going to bring in to replace him? He's been rubbish this season and he's still one of our top scorers.
Rashford himself hasn't got 20+goals or 20 goals AND assists combined in two of his last three seasons so, he's kind of failing that metric.

Even if Rashford did produce the goals it really doesn't always work out that way that when a top striker/winger leaves that it negatively impacts the attack the following season. Look at Ruud or Cristiano Ronaldo leaving, we scored far more goals after the seasons they left than their final seasons here; the goals were just spread out better among the team.
 
Both of those looked unreal in their previous teams, and too many top level players have flopped here.
Something wrong with what we do with players, don't know why so many have turned to dust here.

Am hopeful that the next manager will put an end to this.
That's fair for Sancho, but sorry, there was plenty reason to believe Antony would flop. I wasn't happy with us going for him at all, and there were plenty others also, especially at the price we ended up signing him for.
 
Considering the last 2 wingers we signed were Sancho and Antony I think this is a pretty naive thing to say

How so?

now we have Ineos who are apparently going to put some actual thought into the idea of new signings. Not the clowns from before.

So if they get it wrong the god help us no ?
 
That's fair for Sancho, but sorry, there was plenty reason to believe Antony would flop. I wasn't happy with us going for him at all, and there were plenty others also, especially at the price we ended up signing him for.
Yeah, they fleeced us good and proper.
Overspending on dross has happened too much too.

We seem to always pay a "oh it's Man Utd" tax when in for players.
That Fellaini fiasco still irks me.
 
Rashford himself hasn't got 20+goals or 20 goals AND assists combined in two of his last three seasons so, he's kind of failing that metric.

Even if Rashford did produce the goals it really doesn't always work out that way that when a top striker/winger leaves that it negatively impacts the attack the following season. Look at Ruud or Cristiano Ronaldo leaving, we scored far more goals after the seasons they left than their final seasons here; the goals were just spread out better among the team.
Rashford did for 3 of his last 5 seasons though.

Your 2nd point is true. However, it doesn't always work out that way either. When we sold Ronaldo the 1st time for instance, we lost the league the following season after retaining it the previous 2 seasons. I don't know, it feels like a big risk to me. It's not like we've looked significantly better in attack and scored heaps more goals when Rashford hasn't played. We've looked pretty poor whether or not he was in the team.
 
How so?

now we have Ineos who are apparently going to put some actual thought into the idea of new signings. Not the clowns from before.

So if they get it wrong the god help us no ?
It's hard to find great wingers that score goals. There really aren't many around Europe that score 20+ goals. In the top 5 leagues in Europe, the only wingers to score 12+ league goals this season are Mbappe, Palmer, Salah, Bowen, Foden, Son, Saka and Vinicius. Obviously most of these would be impossible to sign. Bowen will be nearly 28 by the start of next season so probably not the right age profile and he'd be expensive.

Even if the recruitment team does a great job, there's a very strong chance the winger they find might not develop into a superstar for 3+ years. He often gets criticised for his poor finishing, but there actually aren't many wingers with more than Garnacho's 7 league goals this season. Rashford in a terrible season, also has 7 league goals.
 
It's hard to find great wingers that score goals. There really aren't many around Europe that score 20+ goals. In the top 5 leagues in Europe, the only wingers to score 12+ league goals this season are Mbappe, Palmer, Salah, Bowen, Foden, Son, Saka and Vinicius. Obviously most of these would be impossible to sign. Bowen will be nearly 28 by the start of next season so probably not the right age profile and he'd be expensive.

Even if the recruitment team does a great job, there's a very strong chance the winger they find might not develop into a superstar for 3+ years. He often gets criticised for his poor finishing, but there actually aren't many wingers with more than Garnacho's 7 league goals this season. Rashford in a terrible season, also has 7 league goals.
You only really need them to get into double figures when you’re not reliant on one or two people though. Look at Arsenal they have outscored everyone and Saka is their top scorer on 15. Then Havertz and Trossard are the only others in double figures.
 
You only really need them to get into double figures when you’re not reliant on one or two people though. Look at Arsenal they have outscored everyone and Saka is their top scorer on 15. Then Havertz and Trossard are the only others in double figures.
I understand that, but Arsenal have better attacking players than us right now. Martinelli's had a poor season, but he got 15 league goals himself the previous season.

If Hojlund was to have a big improvement next season that could potentially remove the problem a bit, but I've not been very impressed with him so far tbh. I actually think he's a great finisher, but I'm concerned that he's not getting into positions to receive the ball enough, and I also think his 1st touch is very poor. When you have a player like Bruno supplying you, you should be getting more chances on goal than he is.

Garnacho is getting the chances, which is very promising, but I suspect it will take him a bit longer to get his finishing to the level we need. Personally, I prefer him on the right at the moment because he's very good at creating chances and he's less tempted to shoot constantly when on that side than when he's on the left.

Maybe if we are looking better in the 1st month of the season, that will give us more time to consider whether or not we can get by without Rashford in the case where a big offer does come in.
 
How about swapping him for Salah.
Wouldn't that be fun.
Not sure the NHS could cope.
 
So much time and energy spent slating Rashford's "attitude" and work rate, instead of just saying his goals + assists return hasn't been good enough. Why does it need to go from that to abuse, especially from our own supporters? He's had a bad season, anyone stop to think there might be reasons, like when he played through pain and delayed surgery to be available for England? There's something that's causing this decline, it's either injury or mental. Those suggesting he's trying to get TH sacked, or he doesn't care, I don't know what motivates you to turn on your own like that.
 
So much time and energy spent slating Rashford's "attitude" and work rate, instead of just saying his goals + assists return hasn't been good enough. Why does it need to go from that to abuse, especially from our own supporters? He's had a bad season, anyone stop to think there might be reasons, like when he played through pain and delayed surgery to be available for England? There's something that's causing this decline, it's either injury or mental. Those suggesting he's trying to get TH sacked, or he doesn't care, I don't know what motivates you to turn on your own like that.

its probably his half-assed attitude on the pitch for the past year
 
its probably his half-assed attitude on the pitch for the past year
You watch how many off the ball runs he makes, how often he's the only outlet and not being found with a pass? He's not been tasked with tracking back. I don't see it as him having some "half-assed attitude".
 
This is a huge dilemma. Form wise, you'd happily accept a big offer for a player that can be amazing on his day but who struggles to maintain form over a long period.

But Rashford is one of very few truly iconic players at the club, particularly so here in Manchester. My 6 yo came home from school yesterday, when I asked what she learned about that day, she said "Rosa Parks and Marcus Rashford". Every kid in the park with a United top has Rashford on the back. Despite City's dominance on the field, Rashford is the most popular player in the city. I'm wary about severing that link that so many fans have with the club.
 
He is not going to City/Liverpool for obvious reasons.
He is not close to good enough for Bayern/Madrid with the players the have.
Barca have money problems so thats gone aswell.

Leaves only PSG and Arsenal.
I hope as hell Arteta is not stupid to get him.
Only basically leaves PSG who have showed interest in the past and are ok with paying insane wages.
 
Hopefully this gives him the 'kick up the arse' that he needs, and he clearly gets the message, you're not indispensable.
I hear a lot of people talking about "loss of form" but for me, loss of form isn't Rashford's issue this season.

All players will lose form, you regain your form by working harder than previously, and eventually form will return, but we have seen the opposite with Rashford, prancing about like the Sugar Plum Fairy.
I expect him to still be here next season, and I expect a very big return from him.