Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

So much time and energy spent slating Rashford's "attitude" and work rate, instead of just saying his goals + assists return hasn't been good enough. Why does it need to go from that to abuse, especially from our own supporters? He's had a bad season, anyone stop to think there might be reasons, like when he played through pain and delayed surgery to be available for England? There's something that's causing this decline, it's either injury or mental. Those suggesting he's trying to get TH sacked, or he doesn't care, I don't know what motivates you to turn on your own like that.
There's a lot of miserable people out there.... and topics such as these tend to draw them in so they can have a good rant, put someone down, and feel a bit better about themselves and their miserable lives....

It is what it is. Posters have it as part of their identity at this point....
 
So much time and energy spent slating Rashford's "attitude" and work rate, instead of just saying his goals + assists return hasn't been good enough. Why does it need to go from that to abuse, especially from our own supporters? He's had a bad season, anyone stop to think there might be reasons, like when he played through pain and delayed surgery to be available for England? There's something that's causing this decline, it's either injury or mental. Those suggesting he's trying to get TH sacked, or he doesn't care, I don't know what motivates you to turn on your own like that.
It's because people have eyes, his performances aren't simply someone not converting chances. It's clear as day to anyone watching him play that a lot of the time he isn't putting in the required effort, and doesn't have the right attitude. That is incredibly frustrating for fans, look at the criticism of Hojlund, it's of a far different tone, in part because people see him nearly die on the pitch every game he plays.
 
It's because people have eyes, his performances aren't simply someone not converting chances. It's clear as day to anyone watching him play that a lot of the time he isn't putting in the required effort, and doesn't have the right attitude. That is incredibly frustrating for fans, look at the criticism of Hojlund, it's of a far different tone, in part because people see him nearly die on the pitch every game he plays.
Effort is, mostly, fair game.

Throwing his salary in, in the vein of “for <made up number of the week> it’s a total disgrace”, tends to come across as a bit green-eyed and pathetic.
 
Effort is, mostly, fair game.

Throwing his salary in, in the vein of “for <made up number of the week> it’s a total disgrace”, tends to come across as a bit green-eyed and pathetic.

If I'm a team mate of his and seeing him a) start before me every game, b) never get subbed off regardless of how little effort he's putting in, c) getting paid 3-4 times as much as me for no noticeable reason...

I would be sick and pissed off.
 
Effort is, mostly, fair game.

Throwing his salary in, in the vein of “for <made up number of the week> it’s a total disgrace”, tends to come across as a bit green-eyed and pathetic.

how so? Isnt there a strong correlation between wages and performance
 
I think our best chance of selling him is to another English club. I have never bought the PSG narrative. It was manufactured nonsense by his brother/agent.
 
As a neutral I don't think so. He is quality in the right system. His body language suggested his lost confidence in the head coach and he gave up already. I can understand fans are mad at him because he can't give up and collect his big pay cheque every week.

My guess is ETH will probably leave the club before Rashford, and Rashford will get another chance to prove himself under a new coach.

This is the way. It's not even that ETH needs to leave (though he will). Rashford most needs a functioning midfield and defense pushing up behind him. At the moment he's trying to dance through too many bodies because other players aren't opening up spaces for him because they're sitting too deep.
 
Both of those looked unreal in their previous teams, and too many top level players have flopped here.
Something wrong with what we do with players, don't know why so many have turned to dust here.

Am hopeful that the next manager will put an end to this.
Antony never looked unreal in any team.
 
I think our best chance of selling him is to another English club. I have never bought the PSG narrative. It was manufactured nonsense by his brother/agent.

If Newcastle didn't have ffp issues could see them going for him as a statement signing.
 
so what do people expect to be different next season if we dont make massive changes? More of the same crap. I lost any desire to keep rashford when i saw him pouting when he was forced to play CF for the club, as if it was some sort of massive affront to him
 
A good Euros (if he even goes?) might drum up some interest...but I think the only move you could somewhat foresee is PSG, even through they came out and said it was bollocks months ago.

Chelsea maybe a slim interest.

But I genuinely don't see any bids coming in for him, so it's all a bit meh.
 
If I'm a team mate of his and seeing him a) start before me every game, b) never get subbed off regardless of how little effort he's putting in, c) getting paid 3-4 times as much as me for no noticeable reason...

I would be sick and pissed off.
how so? Isnt there a strong correlation between wages and performance
There’s no excuse for not putting the effort in, irrespective of what you’re being paid.
 
I can’t wait for another interview about how he has a new lease of life under a new manager.
 
Ideally I'd offload him this summer but as reported above I doubt many clubs will want to sign him & certainly not for the price UTD will want for him.

Rashford seems one of those "purple patch" players, we need first team regulars that are far more consistent than he is if we want to try to compete for the 2 big trophies.
 
I understand that, but Arsenal have better attacking players than us right now. Martinelli's had a poor season, but he got 15 league goals himself the previous season.

If Hojlund was to have a big improvement next season that could potentially remove the problem a bit, but I've not been very impressed with him so far tbh. I actually think he's a great finisher, but I'm concerned that he's not getting into positions to receive the ball enough, and I also think his 1st touch is very poor. When you have a player like Bruno supplying you, you should be getting more chances on goal than he is.

Garnacho is getting the chances, which is very promising, but I suspect it will take him a bit longer to get his finishing to the level we need. Personally, I prefer him on the right at the moment because he's very good at creating chances and he's less tempted to shoot constantly when on that side than when he's on the left.

Maybe if we are looking better in the 1st month of the season, that will give us more time to consider whether or not we can get by without Rashford in the case where a big offer does come in.
This season his finishing has been poor, I was surprised looking at the PL stats to see he's missed more big chances than Garnacho (7 vs 6) which makes me somewhat question how accurate it is, given we've seen Garnacho just in one game have about 3 what I would think of as 'big' chances but he's really struggled at the two aspects of his game where he is, or was, elite which are pace and coming onto his right and finishing.

I think Hojlund will be ok, I think he's got the skillset to be a good CF for a top team, he needs more help from the wide players though as Garnacho and Rashford are very selfish for the most part and we have very erratic fullbacks offensively, some days I think Dalot might be the future for that role and then he'll do something stupid and I'll change my mind. It's too easy to mark a CF when you basically know only Bruno will be putting balls into the box, this changes a bit when Eriksen plays but he's not good enough for us in general.

We have bigger issues than the forward line tough in truth with 1, probably 2 CBs needed, a couple of CMs and a LB if possible as well.
 
Every city player give a least a 7 out of 10 every game just like Man United of old. If a Manchester United player can’t give this every game it’s time to move them on. It’s like people saying Scott is a good footballer when he has one could game every 8 games he’s starts. The board need to get the club back to a certain level.
 
Well yeah, that's his base. People who can't/won't attend matches that want the fan community feel. It is heavily internet culture influenced too. Hojlund is a fan, for example, but a big United fan.
I watch his streams and he does change his mind a lot (populism?).
But I think it is weird that a Manchester United fan would slag off and generalize all the non-attending fans like you do.
 
Every city player give a least a 7 out of 10 every game just like Man United of old. If a Manchester United player can’t give this every game it’s time to move them on. It’s like people saying Scott is a good footballer when he has one could game every 8 games he’s starts. The board need to get the club back to a certain level.

You notice other clubs' players giving it 10/10 on the field. Many of them are just not top players, but they perform to the best of their abilities. It has been shocking the last years, how players can perform sub-par compared to the best of their ability.
 
Mentally and physically he has not been right all season, and that unfortunately means that we're stuck with him as nobody is offering us anything north of 50m for him.
 
There is only 1 place crazy enough to pay for him and 1 he might consider. They also it seems have just lost the possible next in line for the the throne, so if anything it would be now or never.
 
I watch his streams and he does change his mind a lot (populism?).
But I think it is weird that a Manchester United fan would slag off and generalize all the non-attending fans like you do.
I've not slagged anyone off or generalized? A massive % who watches watch-alongs and streams of Goldbridge won't be match attending fans. That's just the nature of his content.
 
He's been rubbish the majority of his time at the club. He's an arrogant show pony.

Replacements for his abject showing this season shouldn't be hard for a club like United to do and if it is then God help us.

Rashford isn't and will never be the talisman.

Sell and move on
Amazing how he's managed so many goals and assists while better players can't. Interesting that.
 
World class players don’t have a full season where they are horrendously shite.

We need to sell off Rashford asap his value will only go down as the memory of the purple patch fades away.

He’s the only one who can fetch a semi-decent amount, allowing us to reinvest.
 
World class players don’t have a full season where they are horrendously shite.

We need to sell off Rashford asap his value will only go down as the memory of the purple patch fades away.

He’s the only one who can fetch a semi-decent amount, allowing us to reinvest.
Also he’s on insane money. How can we demand standards and incorporate a sensible wage structure while inconsistent players are paid as if they’re among the best in the world?
 
Amazing how he's managed so many goals and assists while better players can't. Interesting that.

He’s been a starting forward far longer than anyone else at the club… it’s not like he’s putting up CR7 stats.

In his league career he averages .57 G/A per 90. So a goal contribution a little more than once every 2 games.

For reference, Martial (who everyone has abhorred for years) averages .61 G/A per 90 for his own league career.
 
He’s been a starting forward far longer than anyone else at the club… it’s not like he’s putting up CR7 stats.

In his league career he averages .57 G/A per 90. So a goal contribution a little more than once every 2 games.

For reference, Martial (who everyone has abhorred for years) averages .61 G/A per 90 for his own league career.
I'm comparing him to footballers in general, not Man Utd.
 
Seeing what Arteta has done to Havertz, I would be reluctant to let Marcus go to Arsenal. Got a strange feeling he will flourish and suddenly turn into a world beater there. We should ship him abroad. Are PSG still interested?
 
Seeing what Arteta has done to Havertz, I would be reluctant to let Marcus go to Arsenal. Got a strange feeling he will flourish and suddenly turn into a world beater there. We should ship him abroad. Are PSG still interested?

Perhaps we would be better off just getting a world class manager AND only then deciding which players we should get rid of?

When you see inferior players like Havertz and Sancho performing key roles for successful and well-managed teams, it does seem odd that our fanbase want to sell off one of the few players who has stood out at times over the last few years before seeing what a top manager might do with this team.
 
Watching Sancho last night should be a reminder for fans of how tough it is to play here. Not many players are cut out for it.
If we sell Rashford I’m pretty certain we’ll all be looking at him absolutely smash it at a club without the same pressure and with a functioning side.
 
Watching Sancho last night should be a reminder for fans of how tough it is to play here. Not many players are cut out for it.
If we sell Rashford I’m pretty certain we’ll all be looking at him absolutely smash it at a club without the same pressure and with a functioning side.
True as this may be, I feel Sancho brings a lot on himself. How hard is it to turn up on time for training?