But an individual scoring goals doesn't mean that his overall affect towards is positive, just as a player who doesn't score can have a much bigger positive affect towards the team scoring than someone who does score.
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Yea, he can be the type of player that if he doesn't score, he's not contributing much.
We all judged Rashford for playing amazing last year because… wait for it… he scored a lot of goals. He wasn’t running more or pressing more effectively than he is this season in my opinion, he was just making better attacking decisions to get in better positions to score, whilst also being more clinical. This season he hasn’t scored anywhere near the same amount of GOALS, and rightly so, his performances have been seriously questioned as a result as that is what he offers to the team, goals.
He is meant to be one of main goal scorers in the team alongside Højlund, so yes, if we are HYPOTHETICALLY talking about selling Rashford and looking for Garnacho to replace his role as one of the main goal scorers in the side, then yes, there would be an expectation for Garnacho to continue his progression, step up and aim to score 15 prem goals. I’m almost certain he will st himself that target next year anyway, he just seems like that type of lad.
I get the overall sentiment that the team scoring, performing and getting results is the most important thing, of course it is. But we’re talking about an individual here and for me Garnacho is looking like more of a goal scoring wide player than a more creative wide player like a Grealish or Doku, whose focus is not all about goals or even assists necessarily. My hope is he develops his game to do a bit of both, like a Saka type forward. That’s the ideal type of forward considering we have a pure no. 9 now in Hojlund who also needs feeding.
He is meant to be one of main goal scorers in the team alongside Højlund, so yes, if we are HYPOTHETICALLY talking about selling Rashford and looking for Garnacho to replace his role as one of the main goal scorers in the side, then yes, there would be an expectation for Garnacho to continue his progression, step up and aim to score 15 prem goals. I’m almost certain he will st himself that target next year anyway, he just seems like that type of lad.
I get the overall sentiment that the team scoring, performing and getting results is the most important thing, of course it is. But we’re talking about an individual here and for me Garnacho is looking like more of a goal scoring wide player than a more creative wide player like a Grealish or Doku, whose focus is not all about goals or even assists necessarily. My hope is he develops his game to do a bit of both, like a Saka type forward. That’s the ideal type of forward considering we have a pure no. 9 now in Hojlund who also needs feeding.
A player can’t have a positive affect towards the team scoring if nobody actually scores.
You need forwards to score some goals.
Yes of course, but we are not talking about no one on the team scoring.
Yea, but for example firmino didn't get many goals or assists. He was amazing.
But, he consistently does neither.
What we are talking about is the difference between a team that scores enough goals and a team that doesn’t. And a team without players who can post good numbers individually will mot score enough goals. So the idea of dismissing goalscoring as a meaningful metric, especially for strikers, is bizzare.
Which was acceptable because the guys next to him scored loads and loads. Rashford is not the Firmino in the team, he’s the one who’s supposed to score 20+ goals. His failure to do that this season is a large part of why we are where we are. We have a lack of points because we scored a lack of goals to earn those points. If Rashford is to leave, I would like to think the idea is for someone to come in and hopefully score those goals. There is no point adding a Firmino if there is no Salah or Mané for him to create for.
Iniesta scored 35 goals across 17 years in the best Barcelona team that’s ever existed. Guess he’s shit, then.
What did you think Rashford's main asset was last season when he was praised?
Wasn’t @Hammondo ’s comment in relation to Garnacho? This is a rather confusing page to follow.
Iniesta passed the ball and tackled.
Je sais pas
Scoring, obviously, because people see goals think that proves a player. Now many have realized it doesn't.
We were talking about Garnacho btw, and I wasn't making a specific comment about either player, just in general. Yes we need more goals, but a players effect on that is not necessarily down to his own personal goal amount.
Btw this chat was originally about Garnacho, and yes I think Rashford even when scoring is more often a negative for our goal scoring overall. I think it would not be that difficult to find a wide player who scored less than Rashford did last season, but help us score more overall.
It is not bizzare, and hes not a striker.
Think there is a good chance we will have a new manager next season. And looking at most of the options I think there is a good chance that manager will play 343. Both to solve some of the issues we have and due to several of the options playing that way.
Looking at the types a lot of managers use when they play 343 I think Mount and Bruno would be considered attackers. It could leave us with Bruno, Mount, Garnacho, Antony and maybe Amad in the two positions behind the striker. Five players for two positions?
In other words, in such a setup, if we sell/get rid of Rashford, Sancho and Greenwood, it would be wise to bring in someone like Eze who would be an option as an eight and an attacker. But it would also make it even more important to add at a minimum one fullback.
Onana/+1; Todibo/Maguire, Martinez/Kambwala, Branthwaite/Shaw; Frimpong/AWB, Onana/McT, Eze/Mainoo, Dalot/Malacia; Bruno/Antony, Mount/Garnacho, Hojlund/New
Would require a lot of in and outs. But would also imply cutting cost heavily removing players like Varane, Lindelof, Casemiro, Rashford, Sancho, Donny and Martial. A group of players who make close to £100 mill a year at Man Utd. Replaced with a new group probably making half that.
Depreciations might increase slighly, but at the same time players like Sancho, Casemiro and Varane have high depreciations, and the book value of Maguire probably reaches zero this summer. In sum, these four players (ex wages) cost Man Utd approx £50 mill this season. £50 mill equates to buying five players at a total cost (ex wages) of £250m and depreciating them over five years.
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Move the goalposts a little further.
What do you mean?
The original statement was (essentially) if a midfielder doesn't score they are shit, so I mentioned Iniesta, who is shit in no one's book.
He's a perfect example. He's as good as you get.
Agree. Sometimes the back-and-forths here get desperate, people choosing bizarre hills to metaphorically die on.
Genuinely don't want to see him play for us again. Please Paris, save us.
Rashford gets ball tries to shoot hits players legs, rinse repeat over and over. Leave the club.
A more accurate description would be, gets the ball, stops, waits for all the defenders to get in position and decidfe whether he's goint to try and dribble past them all of pass it backwards, the number of times he ignored the player on the overlap outside was astounding
He's an awful player. Id encourage anyone who doubts this to watch the top clubs. Even their full backs are far superior to him in terms of technical ability and decision making. His level is bottom half, wide player on counter attack.
I honestly hope we’re able to cash in and reinvest the money into the squad. I also think it’s actually in both parties best interest that he leaves. Challenge is that only a handful of clubs can afford his wage and none of them, bar PSG has a gap to fill.
Only performs once every 3 seasons, not what United need. Sell him and find someone who gives a feck.
Plays like a ten year old kid.
Rashford at this stage of his career is exactly the sort of player we'd be buying from Real Madrid.
Should be the first one to be sold, but pretty sure Ineos would not have big enough ba**s.
He was getting a lot of abuse from those around me earlier. Even a few boos when he was subbed. Finally the patience of match going fans is starting to wane.
Sadly I was kind of happy to see him go off injured today. He was totally stinking the place out and his attitude stunk again.
Crazy thing was he seemed to get injured by a tackle that didn't actually make contact.
Wonder if he wanted off the pitch?
Crazy thing was he seemed to get injured by a tackle that didn't actually make contact.
Wonder if he wanted off the pitch?
I don't think it was just a few boos. Everyone stood around me was booing him off, and I presume that was the case for most sections of the United end.
I was probably being kind.
Seems to have even giving up running in behind which was pretty much all he was good for as an attacking outlet anyways. He’s so casual with ball at his feet and seems to think that’s enough 