Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

ThierryHenry14 said:
As a neutral I don't think so. He is quality in the right system. His body language suggested his lost confidence in the head coach and he gave up already. I can understand fans are mad at him because he can't give up and collect his big pay cheque every week.

My guess is ETH will probably leave the club before Rashford, and Rashford will get another chance to prove himself under a new coach.
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The thing is, he kind of gave up in the Ole/Ralf season too and scored 5 goals in something like 30+ games. My problem with him is that he gets a new manager-which may or may not be what he wants- starts banging them in again, everybody starts saying "it was all the mangers fault" and then decides the season after that that he's not feeling it again. It's just frustrating for fans to see a player like that.

I'd kill for a player with the same consistency as your user name or Mo Salah or RVN- a forward that's on mega wages but can be relied on for successive seasons.
 
Irwin99 said:
The thing is, he kind of gave up in the Ole/Ralf season too and scored 5 goals in something like 30+ games. My problem with him is that he gets a new manager-which may or may not be what he wants- starts banging them in again, everybody starts saying "it was all the mangers fault" and then decides the season after that that he's not feeling it again. It's just frustrating for fans to see a player like that.

I'd kill for a player with the same consistency as your user name or Mo Salah or RVN- a forward that's on mega wages but can be relied on for successive seasons.
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I can definitely understand fans frustration. There is no excuse for Rashford not trying. ETH's tactic however is definitely not helping Untied players though.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
As a neutral I don't think so. He is quality in the right system. His body language suggested his lost confidence in the head coach and he gave up already. I can understand fans are mad at him because he can't give up and collect his big pay cheque every week.

My guess is ETH will probably leave the club before Rashford, and Rashford will get another chance to prove himself under a new coach.
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Please Sign him if you think so :lol:
 
Frosty said:
Genuine question - was last season just a complete fluke for him?
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No, but we setup to really accommodate him post Ronaldo and Sancho losing his claim on the LW spot.

Eriksen when he was fit really allowed Shaw to push on by sitting in that left hand channel and Rashford did not to have to track back so much because any attack down that side had an extra body (albeit neither Eriksen nor Rashford are that great at defending, it's an extra person). If you think about our forwards setup we had Antony, Weggy, Bruno and Rashford as a front 4 many games - that's a huge amount of off the ball work there, bar Rashford, and the goal scoring burden is mostly falling on him with Bruno helping out. Eriksen/Case really worked well for two older guys no longer in their primes, Case on his own is a disaster.

I really think he should be moved on and I think he should also want to move on now. He must be so disillusioned about the club - forever thinking it's a new dawn, getting so much flak, seeing players come and go and having to put up with the United circus. For the club he's a monumentally valuable asset given he's an academy player and we need to sign a lot of players.
 
Frosty said:
Genuine question - was last season just a complete fluke for him?
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The combination of his obvious ability, his own motivation and belief in what he's doing and a functioning team around him is a heady combination. We're missing two out of the three at the moment and it looks shit. I'd settle for the 2 out of 3 he can control himself.
 
DevilRed said:
If PSG are stupid enough to offer 120m, we should take it.
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No one sane would pay that amount of money for him. I really doubt ineos will have the balls to tell him to feck off. We are essentially stuck with him.
 
Devil77 said:
Why are the other players tolerating this? Keane would have torn him a new one. Rooney as well.
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Because some how we’ve gone from real leaders like Robson, Keane, Bruce, Schmeichel and Vidic and players ego always gave 100% like Irwin, Beckham, Neville and Rooney to the likes of Pogba, Lingard, Sancho and Rashford who care far more about their off pitch status and PR than playing football even though that’s what puts them in the spotlight and pays them an obscene amount of money.

Reality is it started at the very top with Woodward who thought of himself as the big chief in a billion pound company and boasted about our status and finances and only concerned himself with what made his masters happy, money which was brought in through our commercial appeal with sponsorships and high reputation players.

I remember Rooney telling a story about Pogba and Lingard dancing and singing after a bad defeat so because he and Carrick were the senior players they gave them a proper dressing down but once the likes of Pogba and Lingard became senior players that mindset filtered down and it’s how Rashford became how he is.

The best thing Ratcliffe can do is to rid ourselves of everyone with that mindset and I’d honestly accept 2-3 years of rebuild in order to create the right atmosphere and mindset in the club again, I want to see people fighting for the shirt and giving 100% every game even if we lose because giving 100% every match is the bare fecking minimum even if Rashford believes he’s above it.
 
Compton22 said:


You can't tell me this man cares :mad:

"Don't question my commitment to Manchester United"!?
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Nothing wrong with that clip.

People that don't play 5-a side every Sunday with their overweight mates cannot possibly comprehend the effort required to chase after the ball. Yes, he's a professional footballer, yes, he just came on and yes, he's supposed to be playing for his boyhood club but
 
You can't use an isolated situation like that to determine that a player is "lazy" or not determined to give 100%.

And no, that doesn't mean I think Rashford is always performing at the maximum of his potential. It just means that "evidence" like this is just plain stupid.
 
Much better perspective here. He is largely playing within the tactical scheme, just looking to delay Chelsea, block passing lanes, and fall back into a low block.

 
ThierryHenry14 said:
No club can afford his wages in EPL other than City, and no club can afford him other than PSG and Real Madrid outside of England.
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That is the problem… By over paying players like Rashford & Sancho it severely impacts who would be in a position to sign them .
 
Powderfinger said:
Much better perspective here. He is largely playing within the tactical scheme, just looking to delay Chelsea, block passing lanes, and fall back into a low block.

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He's been playing for 20 minutes and he can't exert any pressure to even try and force a mistake? Its pathetic.
 
If what we are hearing about INEOS is true (aka no bullshit made up by views hungry entitled United bloggers who I hate (almost) all), then Marcus Rashford will definitely leave the club. 100%. He's everything opposite to what INEOS recruitment policy should (again according to those attention seeking all knowing Man Utd bloggers who produce "breaking" shows 3 to 4 times a day) look like, i.e. shit player (this season I must admit but you know famous INEOS recruitment policy - there's no past only performance) with big salary and questionable attitude.
 
Powderfinger said:
Much better perspective here. He is largely playing within the tactical scheme, just looking to delay Chelsea, block passing lanes, and fall back into a low block.

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It's still shit. You don't need to to be sprinting full pelt at players to press but you need urgency in your movement to keep them honest.

Everything up to 24 seconds is okay because it's 1 vs 3 but from 24 seconds on, the Chelsea player is turned away from his defenders and Rashford allows him to potter forward at his own ease to pick a pass.

After the Chelsea player had turned his back on his defence and looked upfield, that is when you press with lots of aggression.

Pause it on 26 seconds. Chelsea player turned away from his defence. His options up the field generally covered. Then you hunt him and hope to force a turnover or poor pass.

Rashford jogs beside him giving their attackers time to move around and free themselves.
 
jeff gurr said:
That is the problem… By over paying players like Rashford & Sancho it severely impacts who would be in a position to sign them .
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For Rashford that's the market rate after scored over 30 goals in a season unfortunately, just like Aubameyang in Arsenal back then.
 
iammemphis said:
He's been playing for 20 minutes and he can't exert any pressure to even try and force a mistake? Its pathetic.
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Sometimes I feel people haven’t noticed what we had in 2008. Just go watch clips of Tevez and Rooney and compare it to Rashford’s. And then come back with “nothing wrong with this clip”
 
Powderfinger said:
Much better perspective here. He is largely playing within the tactical scheme, just looking to delay Chelsea, block passing lanes, and fall back into a low block.

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No offense to that person who posted that, but the "context" makes it look worse and they don't know what they're talking about about.

If you're cutting off passing lanes, how are you doing that at that level of intensity. It wasn't a low block either because he let the player ball just stroll round him.
 
statpadder said:
Sometimes I feel people haven’t noticed what we had in 2008. Just go watch clips of Tevez and Rooney and compare it to Rashford’s. And then come back with “nothing wrong with this clip”
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Watch any game from any other team and you'd see the difference. It can be seen weekly just by watching any other football match.
He's a disgrace and I am completely sick of him
 
Lash said:
No offense to that person who posted that, but the "context" makes it look worse and they don't know what they're talking about about.

If you're cutting off passing lanes, how are you doing that at that level of intensity. It wasn't a low block either because he let the player ball just stroll round him.
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The mental gymnastics here are quite something :lol:
 
Powderfinger said:
Much better perspective here. He is largely playing within the tactical scheme, just looking to delay Chelsea, block passing lanes, and fall back into a low block.

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In the first video I see him not giving a toss and walking around whereas in the 2nd video I see him not giving a toss and walking around
 
clarkydaz said:
thankfully its an isolated incident
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To be honest, last season was Maguire, and the season before was Ronaldo. This season is Rashford, may be add Bruno in this list as well. It is indeed not an isolated incident. Just sell him or release him for free + pay up his contract like Arsenal did to Aubameyang/Ozil, and move on. You want a cultural reset then start with Rashford. No player is bigger than the club.
 
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Regressed so badly and we really need to move him on for big money if the chance arises. I’m less confident of who we can bring in to replace what he is supposed to offer in the team though. I don’t simply want a player who can come in and better Rashford at his very worst, I want a player who can match Rashford at his best - which is an extremely small market.

Perhaps Garnacho can replace him directly and become that 15+ PL goal winger. Greenwood would have made it easier to replace Rashford as he’d have been an 18 goal wide player himself by now, which would have allowed for more of a creator on the left. But we need a couple of top class goal threats in the front line.

Nevertheless, a solution needs to be found, as we are getting too little for our money with Rashford now, and it doesn’t pay for him to be here as some sort of squad player. Anything short of being the main difference maker in the frontline is not worth what we pay.
 
Lash said:
No offense to that person who posted that, but the "context" makes it look worse and they don't know what they're talking about about.

If you're cutting off passing lanes, how are you doing that at that level of intensity. It wasn't a low block either because he let the player ball just stroll round him.
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Ive no idea what they were trying to say. Yes everything is fine for the first 15 seconds, and at that point its absolutely blatant that he needs to put pressure on. Its as apalling as it looks in the initial clip
 
Rozay said:
Regressed so badly and we really need to move him on for big money if the chance arises. I’m less confident of who we can bring in to replace what he is supposed to offer in the team though. I don’t simply want a player who can come in and better Rashford at his very worst, I want a player who can match Rashford at his best - which is an extremely small market.

Perhaps Garnacho can replace him directly and become that 15+ PL goal winger. Greenwood would have made it easier to replace Rashford as he’d have been an 18 goal wide player himself by now, which would have allowed for more of a creator on the left. But we need a couple of top class goal threats in the front line.

Nevertheless, a solution needs to be found, as we are getting too little for our money with Rashford now, and it doesn’t pay for him to be here as some sort of squad player. Anything short of being the main difference maker in the frontline is not worth what we pay.
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I think Garnacho can make that step. He’s progressed tremendously this year from solely being an impact player to impacting a full 90. Remember in pre-season or at the start of the season when he’d start but look completely off the pace and lost. Now look at him.

He’s on 7 prem goals (same as Rashford now) this year so should hit 10 by the end of the year. Going from 10 to 15 should be doable in HOPEFULLY a better functioning side next year.

I’m with you though, if we get a sniff of interest from PSG we should be doing what we can to get some decent cash for him and wages off the books. Will help so much with FFP leverage too to reinvest in the squad.
 
daba said:
I think Garnacho can make that step. He’s progressed tremendously this year from solely being an impact player to impacting a full 90. Remember in pre-season or at the start of the season when he’d start but look completely off the pace and lost. Now look at him.

He’s on 7 prem goals (same as Rashford now) this year so should hit 10 by the end of the year. Going from 10 to 15 should be doable in HOPEFULLY a better functioning side next year.

I’m with you though, if we get a sniff of interest from PSG we should be doing what we can to get some decent cash for him and wages off the books. Will help so much with FFP leverage too to reinvest in the squad.
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I hate how we judge players on goals, I do not care how many he gets as long as he plays well.
 
SER19 said:
Ive no idea what they were trying to say. Yes everything is fine for the first 15 seconds, and at that point its absolutely blatant that he needs to put pressure on. Its as apalling as it looks in the initial clip
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It wasn't clear to me either. Pressing isn't running around like a mad man, you can do it effectively by getting to someone quickly. Ambling around and claiming you're cutting off passing lanes is Sunday league shit.
 
Hammondo said:
I hate how we judge players on goals, I do not care how many he gets as long as he plays well.
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He’s a fecking forward. I don’t believe in judging ‘players’ on goals, but you have to use them to judge goalscorers! If your goalscorers don’t score enough goals, you won’t win enough games. Ours don’t, and we don’t.
 
Rozay said:
He’s a fecking forward. I don’t believe in judging ‘players’ on goals, but you have to use them to judge goalscorers! If your goalscorers don’t score enough goals, you won’t win enough games. Ours don’t, and we don’t.
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All that matters is how many goals the team scores, how many goals an individual scores is not an accurate indication of his effect on this.
 
Hammondo said:
All that matters is how many goals the team scores, how many goals an individual scores is not an accurate indication of his effect on this.
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He's also pretty low on lists of assists and chances created. Surely these stats in combination with goals scored, is a pretty good indicator that he hasn't been doing a good job as a forward this season?
 
Hammondo said:
All that matters is how many goals the team scores, how many goals an individual scores is not an accurate indication of his effect on this.
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A team scores its goals by its individuals scoring them.
 
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