Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

He's basically gotten us to buy players like Ronaldo and Maguire.

:lol: :lol:

I can't believe there are people who seriously think the football transfer world would be this childish. You think City and Pep are concerned with who we buy and they're plotting pranks on us so that we buy certain players?
 
He's basically gotten us to buy players like Ronaldo and Maguire.

Yeah. Sure.

Ronaldo to City would have been a huge PR-success for them. And for City, Ronaldos lack of pressing would not have been a issue. Would probably score lots too.

Regarding Maguire, our new CEO have even confirmed City had interest in him (but found him too expensive).
 
My biggest gripes with him are inconsistency and work rate.

A player who goes from 5 goals one season, to 30 goals after that and currently 8 goals this season. That’s some pretty wild fluctuations for a forward player at an elite club.

He’s our Theo Walcott in some ways. A pace merchant who started early and never really kicked on from what was anticipated. Split the gooner fanbase with people sticking by him no matter what and people thinking he had plateaued ability wise and slowly stagnated (the latter in hindsight were correct).

Go read this Walcott transfer thread from 2016 at Arsenal Mania. Some of the posts read eerily familar to this situation and Walcott was about the same age then as Rashford is now
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/theo-walcott-out.28986/

Had a look at Walcott v Rashford record wise.

Rashford at 26 has already scored more club goals than Walcott did in his whole career.
And Walcott only scored 10 or more league goals twice, whereas Rashy has done it 4 times and could be a 5th this season.

Get your "some ways" comment though, but undoubtedly Rashford has been a level above.
 
Yeah. Sure.

Ronaldo to City would have been a huge PR-success for them. And for City, Ronaldos lack of pressing would not have been a issue. Would probably score lots too.

Regarding Maguire, our new CEO have even confirmed City had interest in him (but found him too expensive).

No, Pep and the City board are having meetings to discuss which players they should pressure us buying into

"This Maguire guy is soo shit, let's fake an interest in him and United will come in to outbid us!"
 
Again that's an outlier. A 300k a week player can't jog on the pitch for most of the game
So if he was a 50K a week player it would be OK to jog around because that;s the implication here
 
So if he was a 50K a week player it would be OK to jog around because that;s the implication here

If he was a 50k a week player then he'll be a squad player which means we only play him when he's on form and scoring goals. At 300k a week he's a senior player who has to play on an almost week in week out basis.
 
Yes, I literally said that he's obviously not on that level, but they aren't the only examples either.

Whether he can afford to be jogging high up the pitch when his team is defending is for the manager and coaching staff to decide.

As it stands, he's one of the most dangerous transition players in the league, and we as a team heavily rely on transitions in order to score goals. Obviously, Rashford isn't going to be defending in his own half for the whole game, when he's one of our biggest strengths going forward, and he would be knackered after 60 minutes if he was running up and down the pitch the whole game. It basically significantly reduces our chances of scoring, if our biggest transitional threat is given too much defensive duty in a heavily transition-based team.

When I started following football it was almost the norm to have a player who wasn't exactly renowned for his work rate. Most were either goal scorers (ex RVN, Inzaghi etc) or creative players (ex Cantona or Totti) whom, considering what they did, were rated far higher then Rashford is. As football progressed these players became rare. The end of the two men forward line meant that the lone striker had to do a two man job while football shifted to a more of a total football role were everyone pretty much do everything.

Still there was a very small niche of players that survived mostly because they were outstanding in what they did. Messi and Ronaldo for example were a guarantee of goals and class. That's something Rashford can't do. Which mean that he'll have to play like 'common mortals' do ie by contributing more defensively. That's what most players do.

There are many question marks surrounding the team from fitness to attitude. The manager himself is under scrutiny. I am ETH in (lite) but even I struggle to understand his obsession with having two no 10s in CM especially considering that you need a beast of a DM to cover for that midfield However as rule of thumb this Rashford can't survive on doing what he's doing for long. He can either become more consistent by becoming a goal machine on a year in year out basis or else his overall game needs to improve. Ideally he does both.

Finally I think that Rashford is bigger then the manager ie he can't bench him for long let alone sell him. Thus any decision taken must come from the higher ups ie people who can take the decision without risking losing the job because of it. Quite frankly if we can really get an 80m-100m from him then I think we should sell. That's 80m-100m of pure profit on top of more then 68m spared in salary. That's worth it for an inconsistent player who'll be 27 in October
 
If he was a 50k a week player then he'll be a squad player which means we only play him when he's on form and scoring goals. At 300k a week he's a senior player who has to play on an almost week in week out basis.
So if I understand you correctly it's not on because he's on 300K but if he was only on 50K it wouldn't matter because he would only be a squad player

No matter what a player earns, it shouldn't make any difference in application, effort or attitude
 
So if I understand you correctly it's not on because he's on 300K but if he was only on 50K it wouldn't matter because he would only be a squad player

No matter what a player earns, it shouldn't make any difference in application, effort or attitude

on paper you're right, in practice less so. A 50k a week can be benched up until his attitude and form improves. A 300k a week can't. Its the equivalence of judging between a paid intern and the CEO. The slack for the former is much bigger then that of the latter
 
on paper you're right, in practice less so. A 50k a week can be benched up until his attitude and form improves. A 300k a week can't. Its the equivalence of judging between a paid intern and the CEO. The slack for the former is much bigger then that of the latter
Why not, Sancho was, albeit for different reasons but he's in the same area with salary
 
Depends. This Rashford would not be at the club under Ferguson, who wouldn't have bought "yes he doesn't track back, but he might have things on his mind, bless him" for a second.

The same guy who bought Ronaldo & van Persie and instructed them not to track back. The same guy who gave Nani tonnes of matches?
Sure.

And let’s not make out he’s Ronaldo levels of not tracking back ffs.
 
The same guy who bought Ronaldo & van Persie and instructed them not to track back. The same guy who gave Nani tonnes of matches?
Sure.

And let’s not make out he’s Ronaldo levels of not tracking back ffs.
RvP not tracking back? Man saved our asses recovering the ball and making defensive plays almost as much as he scored goals.
 
None of them do, but Sancho being canned shows you can bench a highly paid player

Sancho was the result of bad management. Eventually he was loaned and hopefully he'll be sold. Any man and his dog agree that he was a mistake
 
Time to sell. 27 he is not improving and with PSG losing Mbappe this is the perfect time to get some money for him. Leave it any longer and its another Pogba/ Martial situation
 
Expected him to show up after barely featuring for England and on the verge of getting dropped from the euros squad but he honestly looks more cooked than Varane or Casemiro.
 
Rashford (a LW) has struggled all season whilst we haven’t had a LB all season.
 
Perfect storm of everything consprising this season.

The team has gone backwards, key players from last year are either injured or levels below, and he himself is not only short of confidence, but often being asked to do what isn't his strength. Get it and try and beat men off cold, rather than his actual strength of storming onto passes into space.

Roll on next season.
 
At one point he was passed the ball straight to him but gave up possession and jumped over the ball, as he thought he was going to get clattered by the Brentford player who never touched him. He has no fight in him and he always sherks away from a 50/50. Needs to be shown the door in the summer.
 
Perfect storm of everything consprising this season.

The team has gone backwards, key players from last year are either injured or levels below, and he himself is not only short of confidence, but often being asked to do what isn't his strength. Get it and try and beat men off cold, rather than his actual strength of storming onto passes into space.

Roll on next season.
Nah, he fecks up counters as well. He's just having an absolute stinky season. He plays like Salah without the attacking output. Nearly half his goals this season are penalties and he's not even the designated penalty taker!
 
Wouldn't be the end of the world if he was sold this summer. I'm sure we'll keep him though. For reasons.
 
The Lukaku formula needs to be used on him. Get rid, take the hit, hope for better days.
 
The sooner we offload this lad the better. He looks depressed! Best for both if he goes & we get a good fee for him. Hopefully he goes abroad if so though. Can't have him going to Arsenal and ripping it up. That would be awful.
 


This circus can’t continue at the club. All this attitude off the field from this family with zero effort on the field to show for it. Get rid.
 
This is the first time I actually believe he might leave the club in the not too distant future. Can’t believe I’m saying that but I just have that feeling. This is beyond a slump in form,,, there’s something deep rooted.
 
He needs to go. One of the top earners and he just can’t be bothered. He is a horrendous example for the likes of Garnacho and Mainoo. Just such a poor mentality and workrate. He needs to finally leave with the manager and his salary given to someone who cares.
 
He needs to go. One of the top earners and he just can’t be bothered. He is a horrendous example for the likes of Garnacho and Mainoo. Just such a poor mentality and workrate. He needs to finally leave with the manager and his salary given to someone who cares.
If we are sensible we could use his fee and salary to fund two or three players who may make us better overall.
 
If we are sensible we could use his fee and salary to fund two or three players who may make us better overall.

Selling him and McTominey is pure profit in terms of FFP and our first team or squad wouldn’t be any worse for it. They are both definite sells.
 
If we are sensible we could use his fee and salary to fund two or three players who may make us better overall.

Salary maybe but realistically who on earth would pay a fee worth of 2-3 players for this uniterested bum? Not good enough for Real. Barca don’t have the money. Not a Bayern signing. Italian clubs would want a loan where they cover 0 % of the salary.

Leaves us with PSG? Atletico? There aren’t really many options unless he’s so fed up that he entertains Saudi.
 
I posted a very similar video to this v Luton when he let Ross Barkley amble around him.

Ive seen other examples too, it’s an attitude. He can’t even say Kate and tired, he was a sub… his job was to score if possible yes, but AT LEAST, sprint around and help the team.

His PR crap “give everything for United” is exactly that… PR.

Has to be sold.
 
His legacy and reputation at United has long since faded. Only kids wanting a signature are left.
Last night aims him and his attitude up perfectly. He did this with Ole too but not as bad. Sell him for whatever and let’s be rid of him. Crowd need to be on his case and he needs reminding he’s paid to play football.