If he was at city he’d be sold. Sad to see that they are ran so much better than us
Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids
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Those are my desires tbf. My search history is a mess.
He said there should be no talk about Rashford's future considering we gave him a new contract and he's a part of the 'future project'.
I'm sure if he isn't publicly being undermined like Sancho did, EtH would rather have him in his squad. It's just very narrow-minded. Yet, I'm sure the club would never let Rashford go when he is the homegrown poster boy.
Yeah I could go for a bit of that
The current Marcus Rashford wouldn’t be at City though. They can afford to sell players like Coke Palmer to league rivals, I’m not sure how people don’t see how silly it is to use the outlier as some standard.
Rashford was a very talented youngsters whose fame was indulged & Id argue he was under coached. Play out Caf Fave, Sakas career at United instead of the currrent Arsenal set up & people would be wanted him sold too.
City aren’t just ran better in the transfer department but more importantly the player development market. You could replace Rashford with 10s of Premier League starters in your post, it’s missing the point entirely.
In a top United side he'd be the equivalent of Nani ie a player with decent talent who can do ample damage when on form but who occasionally can't be bothered to put a shift in. SAF would use him as a squad player up until something better comes along, he starts causing problems off/on the pitch or he demands a silly salary. My concern with Rashford is not down to talent. Rashford is good enough for Manchester United. My concern is down to attitude. He's a senior player with the salary to boot and his attitude is simply not good enough. Considered those three (salary, attitude and status) then he either performs and acts as a leader week in week out or he becomes a concern.
His attitude is absolutely disgusting, sell him if PSG are mad enough to pay that money.
He is here to stay. Like Manchester Rashy is red.
Rashford is nowhere near good enough for Man Utd. What planet are you on?
I hope we keep him
Talent wise he's good enough to be a decent player. However when one takes in account his attitude off and on the pitch and the financial package he's on then I have my serious concerns about it. A senior player on 300k a week must do more then the occasional good goal in the middle of half arsed performances were he mainly jog on the pitch. That's not good enough
Good enough for PSG who challenge for the CL every year, but not United?
Well they did, they fought against Bayern for over a year over Sane before giving up on him.
They kept Sterling for 7 years, then sold him when they brought a guaranteed goalscorer in Haaland, knowing that Haaland would easily replace his goals and having Grealish, Bernado & Foden, all better players than him.
When United get a 30 PL goal a season striker, winger options like City’s, and a team that dominates in 90% of it’s games, we would likely not have a problem selling anyone.
Right now though, Rashford’s most often our biggest goals threat and by far our biggest game player.
Stop pretending we have anything like the luxury of City’s squad to just discard players man
Probably the only one capable of having such a ridiculous record against the top 6?
Probably the only one currently capable of putting up the numbers he did last season from a wide position.
He’s clearly one of our better players, but he’s clearly one that gets his form extremely affected by the form of the collective. If they are shite, he’s likely shite, if they are in form, he’s likely in form.
I'd love a Nani like player in this side. He was inconsistent but he was a much more natural player.
Rashford gets the occasional goal but he gave the ball away around 8 times in the first half vs Liverpool through unsuccessful dribbles and bad passes. That's more his true level - where he doesn't look natural at all out wide.
Given that we now have lots of options for the right (Garnacho, Diallo, Antony, possibly Greenwood), I think LW should become a major priority for us. Even at Liverpool they're struggling with Diaz's poor output - who is a superior player to Rashford. We need to be aiming for someone Mane like, or at least someone who's technically a lot more sound than Rashford is.
Nah, sorry, I'm not Rashford's biggest fan, but there is no world where Diaz is a better player than Rashford.
if PSG offer 75 or 100m....we should sell him
The Nani slander from his own fanbase is unbelievable.
Nani’s biggest failure was not being as good as feck Cristiano Ronaldo, guy was a serious serious footballer.
I love Rashford. If he was as good as Nani he’d be better than Caf favourite Saka that’s for sure.
This fanbase was spoilt.
He's just not that good beyond the poster home grown boy
He doesnt even give his 100% most of the time
I'm not surprised if the PSG rumors are spread by his agent whenever he's on a scrutiny
He doesnt even give his 100% most of the time
I'm not surprised if the PSG rumors are spread by his agent whenever he's on a scrutiny
Nani's biggest failure was not bothering to chase the ball, something rashford does now. Both had/have decent talent but had questionable attitude especially in terms of putting a shift in. That's fair enough as not everyone can be a Park, a Keane or a Gattuso. However that needs to be taken in account in terms of salary something we did with Nani but not with Rashford
Yes, talented enough to be decent but not great, and that’s what Man Utd needs. Great players who will fight tooth and nail for every ball.
Poor argument. Man Utd has signed lots of players over the years, including at the height of its success, and the players were not good enough. Just because a club has shown interest in a player doesn’t mean that the player will bear fruit.
I was referring to Rashford 's role with united if he played under SAF IE he would be treated (and paid) as a Nani. My issues with Rashford is not particularly down on talent but more about his salary. Someone on 300k a week must be consistent
What a crock of shite
If we put Rashford up for sale, he’ll be fetching a massive fee in excess of 75-80m. Diaz wouldn’t get close.
“Superior” my arse, in what fecking World is Diaz superior man? The feck have I just read?
What planet are you on? Rashford is an England International since his breakthrough and has scored so many goals for us already. He has proven enough that he can be class. He definitely is good enough for ManUnited.
It's his mindset that let him down from time to time but definitely not his talent.
That's not an argument. Put him in the 2005-2013 squads and he will contribute and win several titles. He is good enough for ManUnited. The mistake was to try to make him the starboy of the club. For that role i agree, he's not good enough.
That is what we need to change. Give him competition so that he has to fight for his place. If he doesn't perform in his supposed prime years, then yes, its probably time to part ways. But not now imo.
While I get what you're saying, in my opinion this would be repeating past mistakes. If we decide he's not good enough to lead this club (which he needs to really on his wages) then we should sell now while his value is still at a reasonable level.
Too often we've put players on daft wages and waited until their value is absolutely trashed before deciding to move on, by which point of course its too late. See Martial for a prime example.
I also get why people wouldn't want to see him sold. We all know how good he can be on his day, I simply don't think he'll ever be consistent enough, and his game is only really suited to counter attacking football - which I'd like to see us move away from.
Having said all this I highly doubt he'll be sold, though I'd be all for it personally.
He’s been in his “prime years” for 4-5 years now, and his output is inconsistent at best without taking into account his obvious off the ball deficiencies.
This isn’t some 22 year old that’s still refining things but needs time. He’s been in the team for close to a decade now. Giving him another few years while crossing your fingers he gets better is a mistake if you can sell him at a huge value to PSG this summer
His value diminishes and this is when you realise he is never going to get any better so sell now. Like City do. We will be having this conversation when he is 30.
One of those names is not like the others...
(That's no disrespect to Parky either!)
But in all seriousness, Rashford is indeed a level below what is needed to truly propel the club into a new era of success. He can play a big part in it but there need to be others stepping up now
Nah. World class on his day, and likely a good guy, but you just can’t have a player as inconsistent (downright dreadful at times), and completely non-committed (like a training come in dozens and dozens of gsmes) on the wages and senior status at the club. Of course he’ll do something freaking amazing every few months or so, but the other negatives over the long term will do noth8ng but hold the club back and cement our status as the new arsenal with our yearly 4th place trophy (if we can even maintain that). It is nowhere near the long term standard required.
No offence, bud, but I have my suspicions that you may have been too young to remember Man Utd’s last title win. He’s nowhere near good enough and you are the sort of fan that makes a mockery of this fan base. How you can be so satisfied by mediocrity is bamboozling.
I mean he would be good enough for a start in that team, our last title winning side had Valencia and Nani on the wings supported by Ashley Young and Welbeck sometimes I mean Rashford would get in that side without question especially on the left hand side
My biggest gripes with him are inconsistency and work rate.
A player who goes from 5 goals one season, to 30 goals after that and currently 8 goals this season. That’s some pretty wild fluctuations for a forward player at an elite club.
He’s our Theo Walcott in some ways. A pace merchant who started early and never really kicked on from what was anticipated. Split the gooner fanbase with people sticking by him no matter what and people thinking he had plateaued ability wise and slowly stagnated (the latter in hindsight were correct).
Go read this Walcott transfer thread from 2016 at Arsenal Mania. Some of the posts read eerily familar to this situation and Walcott was about the same age then as Rashford is now
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/theo-walcott-out.28986/
A player who goes from 5 goals one season, to 30 goals after that and currently 8 goals this season. That’s some pretty wild fluctuations for a forward player at an elite club.
He’s our Theo Walcott in some ways. A pace merchant who started early and never really kicked on from what was anticipated. Split the gooner fanbase with people sticking by him no matter what and people thinking he had plateaued ability wise and slowly stagnated (the latter in hindsight were correct).
Go read this Walcott transfer thread from 2016 at Arsenal Mania. Some of the posts read eerily familar to this situation and Walcott was about the same age then as Rashford is now
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/theo-walcott-out.28986/
Your suspicion is wrong. I'm 35 years old and became a United fan as a child through my dad who himself is one since he visited Manchester 40 years ago.
I'm also far from satisfied with the last decade and enjoyed 06-13 more obviously.
It's just my opinon that Rashford is far from medicore or not good enough for this club and could be useful for any title challenging squad. But as the "Nani", not the "Ronaldo", as it was stated earlier in this thead. Rashford is far from perfect. But he's also not the reason of our lack of success in the last decade (he even contributed a lot to the few trophies we have won in this time). Bad Management and lack of vision/strategy of the people above him are the main reasons.
Personally, his raise as a local lad and all his good moments have been one of the most enjoyable things I felt related to United in the last decade. That's why I would be sad to see him leave especially now as he finally would get the chance to play under a new (and seemingly more competent) ownership.
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If we had a better overall squad right now and we weren’t in need of a serious serious rebuild I’d be looking to cash in on Rashford. His biggest asset is his speed, which could start to go in the next 2-3 years or with one big injury, so if we get a big offer from PSG we should consider it. He’s not a Giggs who has the versatility to change his position I don’t think (doesn’t have the hold up play to be CF in this generation) and he also got thrusted into top level football very earlier so I don’t expect him to have the longevity to be a top top winger at 31/32 y/o like Salah for example.
With Greenwood, Sancho, Pellistri, all set to leave and Antony not good enough, that leaves us with only Rashford, Garnacho and Amad. Losing Rashford would require us to sign 2 wingers (including one ready made starter) as well as a versatile forward to support Hojlund. That being said if a £85-100m offer came in we could keep hold of one of the above mentioned for a season to help with the transition.
That’s true, but these players were known to be temporary solutions (turned out not to be) aside from Nani who was already past it and was only good enough for a couple of seasons. Rashford has had two good but not great seasons and has well overstayed his welcome. The point is the club should be striving for excellence in recruitment if it wants to achieve greatness. Rashford is not that piece of the puzzle.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about, to be honest.
I’m not sure you remember the days of Webb, McClair, titles with Poborski or Blomqvist on the wings, or Tom Clev in midfield alongside Anderson.
Rashford would get plenty of minutes in most of our best sides, he’d likely be much better there too.
Stop making daft arguments man, not every player who won titles with us (sometimes multiple) was a superstar, so you’re making absolutely no sense.
Rashford is better than all of them in fairness. I'm hoping he goes on a run and gives us all reason to back him again
Rashford wouldn’t get any minutes in those sides because Ferguson would never tolerate a lazy diva like Rashford. You omit all context relating to his role and position within the squad’s hierarchy. Rashford’s ginormous ego would never allow him to be reduced to a bit part role on reduced wages which is still an overestimation given that he should be nowhere near this club. It doesn’t matter how many goals he has scored because his other traits reduce his capital. He is a poisonous presence yet strolls round so insouciantly because he knows he is untouchable. The club will never move forward without a culture reset. First step is to throw this pleb out.