Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

yeah cant be bothered to feel sorry for him. Just because you grew up in the area doesnt overlook the fact you are getting paid like a world class player while strolling about putting in half ass effort. Dont understand why we should be grateful his family passed up life changing money elsewhere so he could get life changing money here? Be different if he passed that up and was getting paid like 100 dollars a week now or something. You play a damn game and get paid ridiculously well for it.
 
The one reason I'm okay with his low work rate is because I think he knows he plays for a rubbish manager & arguably some rubbish team mates chosen by a rubbish manager. I wonder what a player with average to low work rate would feel like post Onana's performances in the CL or Antony's in the PL.

Arguably nearly 60% of redcafe wants Ten Hag sacked from his Job - so I personally doubt that these 60% of people would have a high level of work rate working in a Ten Hag system either never mind the club shirt they play for. I just view Rashford in that 60% of society that knows Ten Hag isn't good enough so doesn't or wouldn't work hard for him.

I personally wouldn't work hard for Ten Hag as I would for a top level manager. Whether Rashford gets chosen for a top level manager is a different story. Rashford is an overpayed player - but it wouldn't surprise me if a new & better manager managed to get a better version out of him again next season. It may be just another purple patch - but I doubt a good manager playing a good team wouldn't get a good version of Rashford.
The amazing thing is you imagine this post shows up Ten Hag as a fraud & works as a fine defence for Rashford. Rather than undermine yourself:lol:
 
Typical self serving PR bullshit. If only he put as much effort into his performances as he does on his public image
 
Jesus you angry bastards, he clearly loves the club, what the feck is wrong with you?

You don’t have to like his playing style, or rate him, but questioning now everything he says nice about his love of his boyhood as PR? Get a fecking grip of yourselves.
 
Jesus you angry bastards, he clearly loves the club, what the feck is wrong with you?

You don’t have to like his playing style, or rate him, but questioning now everything he says nice about his love of his boyhood as PR? Get a fecking grip of yourselves.
People who "clearly" love the organisation they work for show it everyday through the work they do. He shows nothing but contempt for the club with his disgraceful lack of effort, so get off your high horse
 
It's astonishing how immature he is for a 26 year old.

Get him gone. A person with his personality could never succeed at the highest level. We need proper mentalities going forward to compete. Cash in and move on.

If he stays it can only mean INEOS are about marketing and shirt sales as much as the Glazers were.
 
People who "clearly" love the organisation they work for show it everyday through the work they do. He shows nothing but contempt for the club with his disgraceful lack of effort, so get off your high horse
This.
 
The one reason I'm okay with his low work rate is because I think he knows he plays for a rubbish manager & arguably some rubbish team mates chosen by a rubbish manager. I wonder what a player with average to low work rate would feel like post Onana's performances in the CL or Antony's in the PL.

Arguably nearly 60% of redcafe wants Ten Hag sacked from his Job - so I personally doubt that these 60% of people would have a high level of work rate working in a Ten Hag system either never mind the club shirt they play for. I just view Rashford in that 60% of society that knows Ten Hag isn't good enough so doesn't or wouldn't work hard for him.

I personally wouldn't work hard for Ten Hag as I would for a top level manager. Whether Rashford gets chosen for a top level manager is a different story. Rashford is an overpayed player - but it wouldn't surprise me if a new & better manager managed to get a better version out of him again next season. It may be just another purple patch - but I doubt a good manager playing a good team wouldn't get a good version of Rashford.
Early contender for post of the year!!
 
Jesus you angry bastards, he clearly loves the club, what the feck is wrong with you?

You don’t have to like his playing style, or rate him, but questioning now everything he says nice about his love of his boyhood as PR? Get a fecking grip of yourselves.
Mate..... This is how it is on here. I don't fight it anymore, waste of energy....
 
Someone must explain him that a poor kid in UK is far more privileged than most of the kids in rest of the world. Thousands of players come from Latam, Africa, Balkans etc. Fair play to him for making it (because he has) but other players made it under far more difficult circumstances, so I don't get this constant reminder of his upbringing.
 
The one reason I'm okay with his low work rate is because I think he knows he plays for a rubbish manager & arguably some rubbish team mates chosen by a rubbish manager. I wonder what a player with average to low work rate would feel like post Onana's performances in the CL or Antony's in the PL.

Arguably nearly 60% of redcafe wants Ten Hag sacked from his Job - so I personally doubt that these 60% of people would have a high level of work rate working in a Ten Hag system either never mind the club shirt they play for. I just view Rashford in that 60% of society that knows Ten Hag isn't good enough so doesn't or wouldn't work hard for him.

I personally wouldn't work hard for Ten Hag as I would for a top level manager. Whether Rashford gets chosen for a top level manager is a different story. Rashford is an overpayed player - but it wouldn't surprise me if a new & better manager managed to get a better version out of him again next season. It may be just another purple patch - but I doubt a good manager playing a good team wouldn't get a good version of Rashford.
I'm glad I'm not your employer
 
I don’t think in general people have questioned his love for the club, but rather his work rate and desire, which is basically based on what is seen on the pitch.

I think if he was trying and failing it would be bad form, but the lack of effort is what gets on everyone’s titts. And the talk of this manager or that manager, Marcus really has gone through similar spells under multiple managers.

I don’t blame him for the wages the club gave him, but it’s a bit rich mentioning he gave up money when he’s on 300,000+ pounds a week.

United fans love academy products. So just turn it around on the pitch and you’re good Marcus.
 
I’m of the opinion that SAF would have him out the door.

If Ferguson has the ears of Brailsford and Ratcliffe, he’d probably tell them that.

Theres a story that Brailsford tells where he met Ferguson over a decade ago as the Team GB Cycling head coach and picked his brains over team management. Brailsford asked what was his secret to constant success and longevity.

Ferguson just stated ‘Get rid of the cnuts’.
 
Jesus you angry bastards, he clearly loves the club, what the feck is wrong with you?

You don’t have to like his playing style, or rate him, but questioning now everything he says nice about his love of his boyhood as PR? Get a fecking grip of yourselves.
Grow up.
 
I think it'd be best for both parties if we moved him on in the summer. As a supposed leader and senior player he sets an awful example on the pitch. I've not idea how he is off it day to day, but we've seen incidents on a couple of occasions now.

More than anything I don't understand why you'd come out with a piece like this when you show so little desire on the pitch 90% of the time? If he's not aware of how he looks to us watching the game then someone really needs to drum it into him.

When he's going at it full pelt he can be a cracking player. But he's getting into his supposed peak now and his game will not age well on the way down. I'd be surprised to see more than one red hot season from him if he stays here.

Talk someone into a £60m+ deal and let's move on.
 
His PR team have had a mare here. No one is buying this crap. He could shut the whole world up by running and putting an effort in. He took the easy option of getting his team to create this level of shit. Just feck off - or put some effort in.
 
It’s going to click for him soon. I anticipate a strong finish to the season. I’ll go with 1 in 2 till the season runs out. #RashfordIn
 

:lol: he might be one of the worst players off the ball I’ve seen over the last decade

Also those comments - what a lack of self awareness. Makes it sound like the clubs owes him. How about looking at your own “performances” over the last year or so?
 
Manchester United were never going to make him a pauper, so what's his point?
I get that he could possibly be one of those kids who turned down a strong education (hence stable route to money) to peruse a career at a football club - which may or may not work out eventually. However that’s what many sportspersons do to follow their dreams. What he forgets is that this should not matter - all the players we’ve signed have made sacrifices over their careers / youth. That doesn’t excuse strolling around the pitch like an entitled brat for years now. He isn’t even good enough in general for all this fuss - I’d sell him this summer. But I don’t think the new regime will want to rock that boat.
 
What’s it with some of these takes? 6-7 years ago it wasn’t guaranteed that he’d end up on a massive contract. He’s explaining that he had offers that would have changed the life of his family at that time. He chose to wait it out because he loved the club. Players who take that route mostly don’t end up the way he did with a ridiculously fat contract so it was a risky move ex ante. He’s not saying the club owes/owed him anything. He’s saying media/fans owe him the benefit of the doubt.

But yeah this entire piece was ill-advised…just do it on the pitch.
 
What’s it with some of these takes? 6-7 years ago it wasn’t guaranteed that he’d end up on a massive contract. He’s explaining that he had offers that would have changed the life of his family at that time. He chose to wait it out because he loved the club. Players who take that route mostly don’t end up the way he did with a ridiculously fat contract so it was a risky move ex ante. He’s not saying the club owes/owed him anything. He’s saying media/fans owe him the benefit of the doubt.

But yeah this entire piece was ill-advised…just do it on the pitch.
He is just not very smart and neither is his PR team.
 
This whole thing reminded me of how Utd’s media team track player sentiment acriss social media channels and if they see a players sentiment drop they work with the player to improve things. It all feels a bit staged and purely in response to the whole Barkley incident which must have plummeted his fan sentiment online.

As many have said, actions speak louder than words. Even if he’s fallen out with or lost faith in the manager he should be motivated to prove the doubters wrong on the pitch by working hard off the ball and producing more on the ball. He has the talent as we have seen many times (in patches) but seemingly not the mentality to do it consistently on a season by season basis. If he cannot see why that frustrates us fans, local lad or not, then he’s deluded.
 
What’s it with some of these takes? 6-7 years ago it wasn’t guaranteed that he’d end up on a massive contract. He’s explaining that he had offers that would have changed the life of his family at that time. He chose to wait it out because he loved the club. Players who take that route mostly don’t end up the way he did with a ridiculously fat contract so it was a risky move ex ante. He’s not saying the club owes/owed him anything. He’s saying media/fans owe him the benefit of the doubt.

But yeah this entire piece was ill-advised…just do it on the pitch.
That’s what I said. However these things are true for a lot of footballers in our squad who could have had a more ‘stable’ career but chose to sacrifice that and their social lives for a career in sport. What love he had the club for a boy or still may do doesn’t make his off the ball output any less appalling. Watching Hojlund bust his gut as if his life depended on it while Mr nobody can question my commitment ambles around refusing to contest 50/50 balls, is much more relevant than what brave decisions he look a decade ago. This is a professional football club aspiring to the best and has to make every decision with that goal in mind.

Thing is, we have a lot of players who simply aren’t good enough. And they know this so the golden goose that is rich and stupid enough to pay footballers twice their worth. It’s up to SJR and team to show that they have the balls to genuinely set high standards within the club now.
 
I'm glad I'm not your employer
If my manager is shit then I will be more likely turn to being shit myself within his company! There's roles for a reason to run a company or a club.

Judging the top played employee when the whole team is shit aswell as primarily the manager themselves (who employed all these shit employees) seems like an 'obvious' thing to do by many people; especially the people from downstairs roles looking up at them ;)

Rashford shouldn't be our top payed player or even top played - but I see too many holes in Ten Hag's managerial ability to single out Rashford's performances and work rate as primarily his own problem. Ten Hag doesn't even have the balls to drop him and try get Rashford out of his feet and his mind out of his arse.

I'm just blaming the root of the problem rather than the cause of the problem.

Get a top level manager in or even a top level DOF which we seemed to, then decide if Rashford's good enough in a better system.

All that Ten Hag does is improve players individual ability as we saw both at Ajax and United first season where the team was built for him by - the roles of the people above; rather than build it for himself. I can mention so many players Ten Hag has improved individually in his managerial career - but has Ten Hag ever built an amazing tactical system that gets mostly both the players and the fans in ultimate confidence because they have an ability to see or understand a system?

No, not really.

And I can personally see players with lower work rate because they have like 1/10th of the work rate of park ji sung or even Antony being affected by this.

Funnily, enough - I think Ten Hag has overvalued 'work rate mentality' as a single way to judge players especially with his purchases - Antony, Onana, Malacia, Mount, Amrabat, Weghorst, Casemiro and Lisandro Martinez - are all extremely hard workers with strong mentality - but arguably just 1 or at maximum 2 players have had other top abilities within themselves to look like top purchases at this club. Ten Hag has worked better with the players already at the club than the players he himself has bought in.
 
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He does too much talking outside the pitch with his PR mumbo jumbo. His PR team should get a huge cut of his wage based on how they work. He doesnt walk the talk on the pitch. This is just another usual Rashford thing where every time his stock drops he releases a puff piece


Are we supposed to be grateful his family didn't remove him from the academy of one of the biggest and richest football clubs in the world?
Dont you know we are doing him a favor by paying him a measly amount just to play for us ? We dont deserve his godly grace. He is so much full of himself. Question his commitment ? He strolls around the field like prime Ronaldinho while playing like shit week in week out. Sir Rashford doesnt do that dirty defensive work crap that's reserved for peasants

He is just not very smart and neither is his PR team.
This is always his MO. Under fire for shit performance, issue a puff piece. Rinse and repeat.
 
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From the outside I can absolutely see the frustration Utd fans have with Rashford. Hugely talented and still a concern when you see him in the team against you. However, more times than not, he just doesn't put the effort in. Fans love players that give 100% every game, look at Nunez at Liverpool, finishing can be awful but you'd never question his effort. Words are easy and some players seem to resort to talk more than action far too often. Best for Utd and Rashford to part ways.