Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

[Maluco]

New manager and regime need a new dressing room slate too, absolutely crucial. They need to be allowed to mould it in their vision as Arteta did at Arsenal. No one player thinking they can do as they wish. All players playing for and under the head coach.

Rashford should be the first in the queue, but likes of Shaw, Bruno, McTominey should absolutely follow. Far too many chances to set the tone of the dressing room and they haven’t done so. A cultural reset needs to be a priority and Rashford going is absolutely key to that.

 

[Irwin99]

Regardless of whether he's sold or not it seems almost certain the club will have moved on from handing out those sort of contracts, so at least that's something. No more 'hey you were terrible the season before but you've done great this year, here's 300k a week, keep it up'. Hopefully we'll handle young talents like Garnacho and Mainoo much better going forward.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Regardless of whether he's sold or not it seems almost certain the club will have moved on from handing out those sort of contracts, so at least that's something. No more 'hey you were terrible the season before but you've done great this year, here's 300k a week, keep it up'. Hopefully we'll handle young talents like Garnacho and Mainoo much better going forward.

How much is mount getting paid? I don't know if they've learnt their lesson yet

 

[ATXRedDevil]

Rashford, Bruno, McT, Sancho, Case, Varane and Maguire should all go (there’s some more, but these would make the biggest difference in terms of freeing up space to maneuver in the market).

Time to cash in on the first two, get the FFP bump on Rashford and McT, cut our losses on Sancho and get the last four’s massive wages off the books. We should be able to get good fees for Rashford (if PSG are interested), McT, Case (Saudi) and Bruno. Total rebuild.

 

[alexanderplatz]

We have the same conversations all the time. People don’t go to the stadium to watch a lad mope about all day nor do they go to watch him clap back at them when he scores one time. Someone needed to step up yesterday and as usual Rashford wasn’t interested in being that person. So the question is should we be paying leader/top player money out of the budget for a lad who isn’t interested in contributing in ways outside of goals and assists(so is useless when he’s low in confidence)

 

[Gopher Brown]

Who told you that? Some of the crap people make up on here is hilarious.

Let's look at the evidence:

1. Plays every game no matter how poor his form is
2. Our most 'marketable' footballer - on promotional material, probably the one player you'd be confident anyone around the world could name in our squad
3. Reportedly our highest paid player (some sources say Varane/Casemiro, but he's certainly in the top 3).
4. Only 26

 

[Rozay]

 

[Jordi Cruyff 99]

Let's look at the evidence:

1. Plays every game no matter how poor his form is
2. Our most 'marketable' footballer - on promotional material, probably the one player you'd be confident anyone around the world could name in our squad
3. Reportedly our highest paid player (some sources say Varane/Casemiro, but he's certainly in the top 3).
4. Only 26

Only twenty-six? Is he the new Lingard?

 

[Gopher Brown]

Only twenty-six? Is he the new Lingard?

My point is he has his supposed best years still ahead of him. He’s not a 32 year old on a depressing downwards spiral.

 

[golden_blunder]

My point is he has his supposed best years still ahead of him. He’s not a 32 year old on a depressing downwards spiral.

No he’s a 27 year old on a last tour

 

[dinostar77]

There’s no chance we’re selling him. The club see him as the jewel in the flat cap and will try to accommodate him and build the team around him even if he never scores or assists again.

Ratcliffe will sell him and bring Mason Greenwood back.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Ratcliffe will sell him and bring Mason Greenwood back.

Naa. This is a British bid for a British club. They are not going to sell the biggest British PR guy at the club.

 

[Plant0x84]

Ratcliffe will sell him and bring Mason Greenwood back.

Well that’s a depressing thought. Would be a huge needle in the INEOS hype balloon.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Naa. This is a British bid for a British club. They are not going to sell the biggest British PR guy at the club.

I tend to agree. At least not this summer, even if I’d prefer he go. I do think one of him or Bruno HAS to go this summer, you can’t go through another season of “building around” them as your marquee players and expect any sort of marked difference in performances.

 

[Veni_Vidi_Vidic]

My point is he has his supposed best years still ahead of him. He’s not a 32 year old on a depressing downwards spiral.

Martial and Sterling only turned 28 and 29 respectively a couple of month ago and they've been on a depressing downwards spiral for years. Rashford turns 27 shortly after the next season starts.

I believe Salah and Son are the only forwards at a top 6 club who are in their 30s and they are both very professional, unlike Rashford. He'll be long, long finished when he is 31 like them.

Sadly though, I agree with your original point that he won't be sold.

 

[croadyman]

There’s no chance we’re selling him. The club see him as the jewel in the flat cap and will try to accommodate him and build the team around him even if he never scores or assists again.

Yeah and that in a nutshell is exactly why this club lacks any ruthlessness. Unfortunately will be the same story with Bruno as well

 

[ayushreddevil9]

My point is he has his supposed best years still ahead of him. He’s not a 32 year old on a depressing downwards spiral.

 

[tenpoless]

The next window might be our only chance to sell him for a good value since PSG will be desperate for Mbappe replacement (and also to save face).

 

[ThierryHenry14]

There’s no chance we’re selling him. The club see him as the jewel in the flat cap and will try to accommodate him and build the team around him even if he never scores or assists again.

There is no chance Man Utd can sell him. There is no market for him. Based on his form this season I highly doubt PSG is still interested in his service.

 

[el_loco_bielsa]

The next window might be our only chance to sell him for a good value since PSG will be desperate for Mbappe replacement (and also to save face).

PSG aren’t buying rashford. They’ve been shouting their new strategy via the press for months now - bomb out all the failed stars, move away from the galactico era to an all-french side focussing on promising young players. They’ve already got mbappe’s replacement in Bradley Barcola.

 

[ColvaleGoa]

Don't think he wants to be here. £100 milliones for PSG. Here we Go!

 

[Gar&Nachos]

The one reason I'm okay with his low work rate is because I think he knows he plays for a rubbish manager & arguably some rubbish team mates chosen by a rubbish manager. I wonder what a player with average to low work rate would feel like post Onana's performances in the CL or Antony's in the PL.

Arguably nearly 60% of redcafe wants Ten Hag sacked from his Job - so I personally doubt that these 60% of people would have a high level of work rate working in a Ten Hag system either never mind the club shirt they play for. I just view Rashford in that 60% of society that knows Ten Hag isn't good enough so doesn't or wouldn't work hard for him.

I personally wouldn't work hard for Ten Hag as I would for a top level manager. Whether Rashford gets chosen for a top level manager is a different story. Rashford is an overpayed player - but it wouldn't surprise me if a new & better manager managed to get a better version out of him again next season. It may be just another purple patch - but I doubt a good manager playing a good team wouldn't get a good version of Rashford.

 

[Jordi Cruyff 99]

My point is he has his supposed best years still ahead of him. He’s not a 32 year old on a depressing downwards spiral.

He doesn’t need to be a thirty-two year old on a downward spiral, though. He’s just not good enough. The fact is he has resembled a thirty-two year old on a downward spiral in about four of the seasons he has played, in his early and mid-twenties, with only two good but not great seasons to speak of. He will never be good enough for Man Utd, and there’s nothing to suggest that he will be in his late twenties, which he will enter next season.

 

[DSG]

Antony’s crap but his overall game is much better than Rashford. Can actually control the ball and retain possession and at least he works hard out of it. Rashford is a nothing player when he’s not scoring, doesn’t try, doesn’t put himself about, doesn’t use his physical assets. I’ll always like the man and respect him as a person and Manchester Utd fan, but as a player I’ve never been a fan. I don’t think he has all that much talent and really never has. Would be best for Utd if we moved on and replaced him with an all round better player.

Blown away by this. Not that I’m enamored by Rashford, but 128 goals and 60 assists in 390 appearances isn’t nothing… Antony, by comparison, has 34 goals and 29 assists in 178 appearances, and the bulk of the goals and assists came in lower leagues.

Antony is one-footed, a poor finisher, isn’t especially fast or quick, unimaginative in his passing and a poor decision-maker. Yes, he tracks back… but that’s about it.

‘Pretty sure if you polled PL defenders, 90% would say they’d rather face Antony than Marcus. Rashy has world class speed, is a good, sometimes great finisher, bigger, stronger and generally a better decision maker. He’s also had some jaw-dropping free kicks.

Would Antony ever be able to hit a bomb from 45 yards like Rashford did against Chelsea? No no no.

I’m actually for us selling Rashford if we can replace him with a truly world class player, but this is no contest.

 

[clarkydaz]

The one reason I'm okay with his low work rate is because I think he knows he plays for a rubbish manager & arguably some rubbish team mates chosen by a rubbish manager. I wonder what a player with average to low work rate would feel like post Onana's performances in the CL or Antony's in the PL.

Arguably nearly 60% of redcafe wants Ten Hag sacked from his Job - so I personally doubt that these 60% of people would have a high level of work rate working in a Ten Hag system either never mind the club shirt they play for. I just view Rashford in that 60% of society that knows Ten Hag isn't good enough so doesn't or wouldn't work hard for him.

I personally wouldn't work hard for Ten Hag as I would for a top level manager. Whether Rashford gets chosen for a top level manager is a different story. Rashford is an overpayed player - but it wouldn't surprise me if a new & better manager managed to get a better version out of him again next season. It may be just another purple patch - but I doubt a good manager playing a good team wouldn't get a good version of Rashford.

The manager doesnt pay him 350k a week to perform, the club do

 

[M16Red]

City were linked with Pogba, Sanchez and Ronaldo. I'm convinced they troll us into signing shite players.

He said: "Yeah. Maguire is an excellent, top-class player. We were interested, but we could not afford it. United afford it. He's an excellent player, national team too, he had an incredible World Cup.

"He's strong in the air, good with the ball, the build-up, he drives with the ball, he's fast, so fast. He has all the qualities. Congratulations to United for this signature."

 

[M16Red]

Honestly he does as much work defensively as the average PSG forward (i.e. none).

I actually looked at this, he works harder than Mbappe so he's an upgrade defensively.

 

[Tyrion]

He said: "Yeah. Maguire is an excellent, top-class player. We were interested, but we could not afford it. United afford it. He's an excellent player, national team too, he had an incredible World Cup.

"He's strong in the air, good with the ball, the build-up, he drives with the ball, he's fast, so fast. He has all the qualities. Congratulations to United for this signature."

Pep is the most sarcastic man in football. When he loses, he says his team played great. When he wins, he says the opposition played great. When he lets a player's contract run out, he says they're amazing and he's going to miss them.

I'm convinced he actually hates Maguire and must have just been cackling like a lunatic when we signed him.

 

[Bastian]

He said: "Yeah. Maguire is an excellent, top-class player. We were interested, but we could not afford it. United afford it. He's an excellent player, national team too, he had an incredible World Cup.

"He's strong in the air, good with the ball, the build-up, he drives with the ball, he's fast, so fast. He has all the qualities. Congratulations to United for this signature."

It's hard not to love that trolling.

 

[Doracle]

It’s impossible for the “fast, so fast” bit to be anything other than taking the mickey, and I say that as someone who thinks Maguire has been an ok signing, compared to other recent additions.

 

[Gar&Nachos]

The manager doesnt pay him 350k a week to perform, the club do

Doesn't really matter to me.

I assume you would work harder for Pep Guardiola than working hard for someone as rubbish as me in a management position.

Similarly- Rashford knows Ten Hag is a poor manager and is simply not trying for his manager & still gets chosen by who? The manager.

Shows how average Ten Hag is.

 

[Jordi Cruyff 99]

Doesn't really matter to me.

I assume you would work harder for Pep Guardiola than working hard for someone as rubbish as me in a management position.

Similarly- Rashford knows Ten Hag is a poor manager and is simply not trying for his manager & still gets chosen by who? The manager.

Shows how average Ten Hag is.

This is such a weird take. Football players should be self-motivated.

 

[Samid]

Really hope Sir Jim sees past this bloke's crocodile tears. Enough is enough.

 

[Bastian]

Really hope Sir Jim sees past this bloke's crocodile tears. Enough is enough.

Agreed. He's earning life-changing money so what's the problem? Do they think he'd have come into more money by leaving? The one and only thing people want to see from him is actual effort on the pitch and that's beyond him, so it's not hard to surmise that he doesn't care enough.

 

[JJ12]

Really hope Sir Jim sees past this bloke's crocodile tears. Enough is enough.

I enjoyed the article - it's a PR piece obviously but I think it's his genuine feelings. He's just not that good right now and maybe won't get back to what he was.

 

[Born2Lose]

Some posts make no sense to me. You can read that Rashford's football skills, attitude, commitment, are really below par. But then that Man Utd should sell him for a shitload of money. I suspect big clubs and their recruiting teams can assess how much of a problem he is. Would YOU pay top money for him?

This. The irony of it all is the only club stupid enough to sign a joker like Rashford for big money would be United. Although he has played under Ten Hag now so that would tick that box.

 

[Adisa]

Really hope Sir Jim sees past this bloke's crocodile tears. Enough is enough.

Manchester United were never going to make him a pauper, so what's his point?

 

[McGrathsipan]

Just feck off.

We can't accept your arrogant disposition.

Let's break up

 

[Look-a-Hill]

Really hope Sir Jim sees past this bloke's crocodile tears. Enough is enough.

Are we supposed to be grateful his family didn't remove him from the academy of one of the biggest and richest football clubs in the world?

 

[RedRocket08]

The one reason I'm okay with his low work rate is because I think he knows he plays for a rubbish manager & arguably some rubbish team mates chosen by a rubbish manager. I wonder what a player with average to low work rate would feel like post Onana's performances in the CL or Antony's in the PL.

Arguably nearly 60% of redcafe wants Ten Hag sacked from his Job - so I personally doubt that these 60% of people would have a high level of work rate working in a Ten Hag system either never mind the club shirt they play for. I just view Rashford in that 60% of society that knows Ten Hag isn't good enough so doesn't or wouldn't work hard for him.

I personally wouldn't work hard for Ten Hag as I would for a top level manager. Whether Rashford gets chosen for a top level manager is a different story. Rashford is an overpayed player - but it wouldn't surprise me if a new & better manager managed to get a better version out of him again next season. It may be just another purple patch - but I doubt a good manager playing a good team wouldn't get a good version of Rashford.

Whether he plays for a bad manager or not, why should fans be OK with his low workrate? That is not the standard that we expect of a United player, one that puts no effort on the pitch. Jose Mourinho was a top level manager who had worked with forwards like Ronaldo, Benzema, Drogba, Hazard, Ibra, Etoo etc. etc. and it took him 2 months to decide that Rashford is not very good - I just don't see any top level manager rating Rashford as some world class player tbh.

This is not because I dislike Rashford or anything, good luck to him and I think he's an alright person off the pitch and all that, but he's a very one-dimensional player that doesn't suit a pressing game - He'd suit the style PSG play where players like Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe did no defensive work. I think that's probably the best club for a player like Rashford, they probably will walk Ligue 1 with him but won't win the CL of course. With or without this current manager, I'd rather sell him than try to make him a focal point of our team.