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We’ve scored more this season with him off the pitch than him on it. Sums up how effective he’s been despite taking the most shots in every game he’s played.How can he be THE problem? We have many problems as a team. Who scores if he is not in the team?
I don't understand this fanbase sometimes. If Bruno, a midfielder, has an anonymous game - nothing said. If he has a terrible game but scores/assists he gets applauded and every time he lost the ball before that doesn't matter because he came up with something decisive. This is despite the fact that a midfielders main job is to help us control the game. When Rashford a FORWARD whose job is to get goals does the same thing he gets berated.
Rashford has had a bad start to the season, so has Casemiro and Bruno. With Casemiro, after 1 good game everything is forgotten. With Bruno, not a peep is said.
Then there is the 'work rate' thing. Fans expect Rashford to press every ball, then track back sprinting and then sprint forward every time we get the ball all while being our main outlet on the counter. Do you not think it's by coincidence he is rarely injured and has played 55-60 games last year? If you watch other games, Mbappe, Leao play quite similarly and have the same role in the team as him. It's not a lazy work rate - he is the main outlet, he needs to stay forward and save his energy for the crucial moments.
Post-contract emotional issues??? WTF am I actually reading
This season has been 8 games long. You genuinely think we would score more over a whole season if he wasn't in the team? Who scores his 30 goals? Hojlund, Antony, Garnacho?We’ve scored more this season with him off the pitch than him on it. Sums up how effective he’s been despite taking the most shots in every game he’s played.
He’s not good enough to get away with being lazy without the ball and he’ll never be good enough for it because his decision making is fecking awful.
Na mate, its definitely an agenda.
This season has been 8 games long. You genuinely think we would score more over a whole season if he wasn't in the team? Who scores his 30 goals? Hojlund, Antony, Garnacho?
Listen, I think there are plenty holes in his game. There are holes in Trent's game too, but the team and system cover for them because his positive attributes are some of the best in the world. I also think he guarantees goals regardless of those who say he hasn't scored much yet this season. There are bigger issues to think about. Genuinely, it's ludicrous to suggest instead of Rashford we should rely on an 18 year old instead (as some are on here). I think people are frustrated at how poorly we are doing as a team and focussing on its star player, which I can understand. But it's silly. We don't score enough as a TEAM with or without him in it.Not at all, i agree with you in some parts, but you also need to understand that by constantly justifying him, even if he plays badly, just because he is a child of United, shouldn't he be spared criticism? some fans may be tired of it, but I'm far from justifying them.
If not 30, then probably 20. As he has done 3 out of the last 4 seasons. The point still stands. Last season Bruno and him contributed to 50% of the team's goals. Take either of them out and we're screwed.What, do you think he's going to score 30 goals this season the way he's playing?!
Also doesn't help when Hoijlund is trash himself.The problem is United WITH the 30 goals Marcus scored last year were still low scorers...WITHOUT them this year it's going to be a disaster.
I actually think he is trying to link-up with Hojlund, it's just not something he is particularly good at doing.
So this guy had a purple patch of form which ended the guts of probably 8 months ago, he now cannot be dropped or substituted no matter how badly he plays? There's no other serious club in the world would operate this policy, but then we're not a serious club anymore, are we?
Yea agreed it's a big problem. He needs to be benched for a few games and give Garnacho a chance.Honestly, this quote could be from any game he has played recently and it fits.
….and massively overrated by some on hereHe's everything thing that's wrong with this club.
Huge Ego
Low workrate
Selfish
Massive wages
The problem with this argument is you are not accounting for others who could step up and score goals and also help us improve as a team. When your attacks dont get destroyed because of pure greediness or hollywood passes, you could see some attacking patterns which might help other players.Listen, I think there are plenty holes in his game. There are holes in Trent's game too, but the team and system cover for them because his positive attributes are some of the best in the world. I also think he guarantees goals regardless of those who say he hasn't scored much yet this season. There are bigger issues to think about. Genuinely, it's ludicrous to suggest instead of Rashford we should rely on an 18 year old instead (as some are on here). I think people are frustrated at how poorly we are doing as a team and focussing on its star player, which I can understand. But it's silly. We don't score enough as a TEAM with or without him in it.
If not 30, then probably 20. As he has done 3 out of the last 4 seasons. The point still stands. Last season Bruno and him contributed to 50% of the team's goals. Take either of them out and we're screwed.
Listen, I think there are plenty holes in his game. There are holes in Trent's game too, but the team and system cover for them because his positive attributes are some of the best in the world. I also think he guarantees goals regardless of those who say he hasn't scored much yet this season. There are bigger issues to think about. Genuinely, it's ludicrous to suggest instead of Rashford we should rely on an 18 year old instead (as some are on here). I think people are frustrated at how poorly we are doing as a team and focussing on its star player, which I can understand. But it's silly. We don't score enough as a TEAM with or without him in it.
If not 30, then probably 20. As he has done 3 out of the last 4 seasons. The point still stands. Last season Bruno and him contributed to 50% of the team's goals. Take either of them out and we're screwed.
If not 30, then probably 20. As he has done 3 out of the last 4 seasons. The point still stands. Last season Bruno and him contributed to 50% of the team's goals. Take either of them out and we're screwed.
This right here is an argument that a 14 year old would use. Do you think taking these players out means we play with 8 outfield players?
Does my head in. People use the same stupid argument anytime a player with any sort of production leaves a team. And likewise in terms of buying a player and just "adding his goals" to the team like that's how football works at all.
Listen, I think there are plenty holes in his game. There are holes in Trent's game too, but the team and system cover for them because his positive attributes are some of the best in the world. I also think he guarantees goals regardless of those who say he hasn't scored much yet this season. There are bigger issues to think about. Genuinely, it's ludicrous to suggest instead of Rashford we should rely on an 18 year old instead (as some are on here). I think people are frustrated at how poorly we are doing as a team and focussing on its star player, which I can understand. But it's silly. We don't score enough as a TEAM with or without him in it.
If not 30, then probably 20. As he has done 3 out of the last 4 seasons. The point still stands. Last season Bruno and him contributed to 50% of the team's goals. Take either of them out and we're screwed.
We actually once lost the 2nd best player in the world and scored more goals the following season.
How is this not a factor consider? And even if it were a harder game, you would use a sample size of 1 game to justify getting rid of the 2 players that gave us 50% of our goals last year? I don'tt really like Bruno's play style, but I think it's silly to just discount him and say we would be better without him.The problem with this argument is you are not accounting for others who could step up and score goals and also help us improve as a team. When your attacks dont get destroyed because of pure greediness or hollywood passes, you could see some attacking patterns which might help other players.
In fact we scored 3 goals without these 2. Now you would say "weakened palace" blah blah but Rashford only scored 17 goals in the league last season. The rest came against less than half decent opponents in other comps.
People would have said the same after the start of last season. Small sample sizes can be very misleading. Never sane to draw sweeping conclusions about a player’s long-term output when he’s on a run of bad form/negative variance.What, do you think he's going to score 30 goals this season the way he's playing?!
Some even suggest he has ongoing issues with his girlfriend. We should wash our season I guess, give our star player some space to sort things, get back when you're well Rashy.Post-contract emotional issues??? WTF am I actually reading
People would have said the same after the start of last season. Small sample sizes can be very misleading. Never sane to draw sweeping conclusions about a player’s long-term output when he’s on a run of bad form/negative variance.
I remember that Ronaldo only got two by the end of September when he hit 42 in a season for us.
It's not silly, Bruno loses too many balls, he clearly can play on the right and be a part of a dynamic front, and someone like Hannibal can play his role. Bruno is good, bordering WC but he has so many glaring issues. Not at all silly thing to ponder.How is this not a factor consider? And even if it were a harder game, you would use a sample size of 1 game to justify getting rid of the 2 players that gave us 50% of our goals last year? I don'tt really like Bruno's play style, but I think it's silly to just discount him and say we would be better without him.
Dunno, but you could have said the exact same at this point last season too, considering we were coming off the Rangnick season. Look back more widely at over the last four seasons and take the average of that for a better forecast.How many has he got in our last 25 games?
How else do you grow that sample size?How is this not a factor consider? And even if it were a harder game, you would use a sample size of 1 game to justify getting rid of the 2 players that gave us 50% of our goals last year? I don'tt really like Bruno's play style, but I think it's silly to just discount him and say we would be better without him.
It's his chakra.
This right here is an argument that a 14 year old would use. Do you think taking these players out means we play with 8 outfield players?
It's not silly, Bruno loses too many balls, he clearly can play on the right and be a part of a dynamic front, and someone like Hannibal can play his role. Bruno is good, bordering WC but he has so many glaring issues. Not at all silly thing to ponder.
We know exactly the output we are getting out of Bruno and Rashford. So you think we play better as a team without them, cool.How else do you grow that sample size?
We know exactly the output we are getting out of Bruno and Rashford. So you think we play better as a team without them, cool.
Whether you think we are better as a team with them two instead of not, you don't know the output that the team would have without the 2. A sample size of 1 game is not enough at all. It's a huge risk. If you want to play Amrabat or Hannibal and Garnacho (or whoever the hell you want) instead, you have to also consider that you have no idea what the team looks like with those players playing 10 games in a row. Teams watch the games back and playing as a sub or your first games in the team is completely different to playing 10,15 games in a row when the opposition have studied your game.
We controlled plenty of games last year with the 2 in our team. We have controlled 1 game without them. There is much more evidence for us winning and controlling games with them than without. Bruno especially, whenever he doesn't play we look lost creatively.
If we take them out of the team, we are guaranteed to lose the goals they would bring. We are NOT guaranteed to control games better nor are we guaranteed to score as many goals or more. We've played games without them before last season and also looked out of control and sometimes we had to bring them on so we could get a goal!
Post-contract emotional issues??? WTF am I actually reading
Are we going to hark back to players we didn’t sign every time someone doesn’t play wellWe probably should have signed Martinelli when he was on trail with us. I'm not even joking when I say he's the better player between the two. Way better decision making and offers huge workrate which Rashford can only dream of. Probably is on about half the wages that Rashford is on as well.
Must be so stressfulDont underestimate the emotional strain when you look at your bank account each week and see +£350000
Dunno, but you could have said the exact same at this point last season too, considering we were coming off the Rangnick season. Look back more widely at over the last four seasons and take the average of that for a better forecast.
Bruno and Rashford's outputs aren't inconsistent at all. Bruno every season he is here gets roughly 15+ goals and 15+ assist. Rashford 3 out of the last 4 seasons has had 20+ goals and 10 + assists. The best way to improve your team is not actually to get rid of players. It's actually to get players that are better than your current starters and have them replace your players. For example, Liverpool didn't sell Milner, they brought a better player (Wijnaldum) in and let them fight it out. That way, at the minimum you get Milner who was good enough to start for them and at best you get someone who was better for them. There are many examples of this.We look lost creatively even when Bruno plays, and we played perhaps one of our most dominant performances in a very long time without the pair of them.
And no, we don't know the output we get from Bruno and Rashford, because it is inconsistent, and not good enough. It seems you would rather stay as a potential top 4 candidate rather than actually trying to improve the team, which I find incredibly odd.
