HookedOnAPhelan
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I guess giving him that fat new contract was a mistake after all. Should've sold him when we had the chance. No other top club would have him as an undisputed starter, but that's what he is for us.
Well that's on the manager for knowing that and just keeping him on the pitch to do what he is doing
How can he be THE problem? We have many problems as a team. Who scores if he is not in the team?
I don't understand this fanbase sometimes. If Bruno, a midfielder, has an anonymous game - nothing said. If he has a terrible game but scores/assists he gets applauded and every time he lost the ball before that doesn't matter because he came up with something decisive. This is despite the fact that a midfielders main job is to help us control the game. When Rashford a FORWARD whose job is to get goals does the same thing he gets berated.
Rashford has had a bad start to the season, so has Casemiro and Bruno. With Casemiro, after 1 good game everything is forgotten. With Bruno, not a peep is said.
Then there is the 'work rate' thing. Fans expect Rashford to press every ball, then track back sprinting and then sprint forward every time we get the ball all while being our main outlet on the counter. Do you not think it's by coincidence he is rarely injured and has played 55-60 games last year? If you watch other games, Mbappe, Leao play quite similarly and have the same role in the team as him. It's not a lazy work rate - he is the main outlet, he needs to stay forward and save his energy for the crucial moments.
You mean the game where we both played our B team on a Tuesday night in a Carabao cup game where Martial who barely ever scores anymore also scored?It's funny you say that because the game where we scored the most goals this season is where he wasn't playing . At this point, Rashford could stand still in the same spot for 90 minutes without touching the ball and his PR team will find a way to make it the teams fault.
You mean the game where we both played our B team on a Tuesday night in a Carabao cup game where Martial who barely ever scores anymore also scored?
Yes, lets ignore the past 4 seasons in 3 of which he's scored 20+ goals and 10 + assists. If he leaves the team today and our next top 2 scorers (Casemiro and Bruno) score the same amount as they did last year ( 7 and 14), who do you think replaces Rashford's 30 goals?If Rashford doesn't score no one does? He's got one goal in a season where so far we have scored 13, with 9 different scorers. This myth has to die. He had a great season last year, but claiming no one else scores is simply wrong and certainly not objective.
No, I think he is playing poorly - but so is the whole team. If a whole team is playing poorly, do you think it makes sense to single 1 player out?We also dont understand fans like you. A lot of "if" and "comparing" to others bad preforming players atm makes me understand that you also agree he is so bad. Thank you.
In a Carabao cup game. Did you watch the game? It was considerably slower, they clearly did care about that game one bit.Half their team was the team that played today. The others were subs. They also put Eze and Hughes on.
We simply played better football without Bruno and Rashford and had much more control.
Casemiro apparently. Its nearly October and he's our top scorer and Rashford doesn't look like scoring anytime soon.How can he be THE problem? We have many problems as a team. Who scores if he is not in the team?
I don't understand this fanbase sometimes. If Bruno, a midfielder, has an anonymous game - nothing said. If he has a terrible game but scores/assists he gets applauded and every time he lost the ball before that doesn't matter because he came up with something decisive. This is despite the fact that a midfielders main job is to help us control the game. When Rashford a FORWARD whose job is to get goals does the same thing he gets berated.
Rashford has had a bad start to the season, so has Casemiro and Bruno. With Casemiro, after 1 good game everything is forgotten. With Bruno, not a peep is said.
Then there is the 'work rate' thing. Fans expect Rashford to press every ball, then track back sprinting and then sprint forward every time we get the ball all while being our main outlet on the counter. Do you not think it's by coincidence he is rarely injured and has played 55-60 games last year? If you watch other games, Mbappe, Leao play quite similarly and have the same role in the team as him. It's not a lazy work rate - he is the main outlet, he needs to stay forward and save his energy for the crucial moments.
Casemiro has been arguably even worse for our team than Rashford is supposedly this season. Our midfield is one of the major reasons we don't control games, but we're looking at a winger instead. It doesn't make sense. Only Varane has been good in the entire team.Casemiro apparently. Its nearly October and he's our top scorer and Rashford doesn't look like scoring anytime soon.
And Rashford isn't Mbappe. His output doesn't warrant us carrying him all game so he's ready in the big moments.
That's not even remotely close to the point I was making? You said no one else scores goals. The clear implication being without him we are toothless, and I showed it wasn't the case. It's a very tired argument to put down criticisms and it's just not true.Yes, lets ignore the past 4 seasons in 3 of which he's scored 20+ goals and 10 + assists. If he leaves the team today and our next top 2 scorers (Casemiro and Bruno) score the same amount as they did last year ( 7 and 14), who do you think replaces Rashford's 30 goals?
He 100% let us down today. Dalot had to play for two.No, I think he is playing poorly - but so is the whole team. If a whole team is playing poorly, do you think it makes sense to single 1 player out?
I quite clearly didn't mean that he scores 100% of our goals...That's not even remotely close to the point I was making? You said no one else scores goals. The clear implication being without him we are toothless, and I showed it wasn't the case. It's a very tired argument to put down criticisms and it's just not true.
If you had said no one else in the team will score 20+ then I'd agree as we simply don't have a reliable goal scorer for the way we are playing, and that includes Marcus this season. Playing counter and on the break suits him and that's why he has the goals in the past seasons. ETH is trying not to do that now and his goals have dried up - it's not a coincidence. If we revert to that style he might pick up again.
When he scores, yes. He was so good at scoring last year, but not so much anything else. So when the scoring dries up he offers nothingDo we overhype Rashford?
Hello @AMMOAgreed. My old account was banned 3 years ago for calling Rashford out.
Such a poor way at looking at things. Same thing as when people here said Spurs are done because Kane left, here they are doing better.Yes, lets ignore the past 4 seasons in 3 of which he's scored 20+ goals and 10 + assists. If he leaves the team today and our next top 2 scorers (Casemiro and Bruno) score the same amount as they did last year ( 7 and 14), who do you think replaces Rashford's 30 goals?
I am not disagreeing that he played poorly. My point is, in any other team if their main player isn't scoring someone else will step up. It's very common for other team's forwards to have bad games. The difference with us right now is that if Rashford is having a poor game quite usually there's no one take up the goal scoring mantle (reliaby, not occasionally).He 100% let us down today. Dalot had to play for two.
He's literally making 10 times as much as the wingers on my team but brings 10% of what they bring. Mindblowing to see how bad he has become.
Unless we end up back in the Europa league and have another long run in the League cup, I can't see him getting close to 30 goals again. This is a player who's best PL return is 17. And that was him being carried so he could score in the big moments.Casemiro has been arguably even worse for our team than Rashford is supposedly this season. Our midfield is one of the major reasons we don't control games, but we're looking at a winger instead. It doesn't make sense. Only Varane has been good in the entire team.
As for output, name me one player in world football available right now for less than £100m that gives us 30 goals.
He has been so very poor and not only poor, utterly poor so far, hiding, not running, not pressing, giving ball away. He is a net minus so far this season. Considering we're in dire straights and he is our marquee player he is severely underperforming, he was totally anonymous today, Garnacho literally puked his lungs out on the other flank in comparison at fraction of the cost and expectations.I am not disagreeing that he played poorly. My point is, in any other team if their main player isn't scoring someone else will step up. It's very common for other team's forwards to have bad games. The difference with us right now is that if Rashford is having a poor game quite usually there's no one take up the goal scoring mantle (reliaby, not occasionally).
If Salah doesn't score, Diaz, Nunez, Jota almost definitely will. If Saka doesn't score Martinelli, Odegaard, Nketiah, Jesus will. If Haaland doesn't score, Alvarez....etc etc. Just look at our forward options. If Rashford doesn't score the only other hope is Bruno and apparently Casemiro (which says it all really). Bruno and Rashford have similar deficiencies. We're just too one dimensional and that's why people heap it on Rashford. We genuinely don't have another forward in our team right now that is guaranteed to get 10 goals this season - but the focus is on Rashford? I don't get it.
One of them is a genuine world class player. The other one (mistakenly) thinks he isWatch the passes Salah makes in a match and then the ones Rashford makes. It is an absolute disgrace that Rashford is one of our "star" players.
He was terrible today. Needs to do much better. It's not an agenda but you can't put in that kind of performance and not expect to be criticised.
Think it's more than that. Hes pretty shite.Created our best chance once again with the through ball for Hojlund. Average apart from that. Out of form like the rest of the team.
How can he be THE problem? We have many problems as a team. Who scores if he is not in the team?
You mean the game where we both played our B team on a Tuesday night in a Carabao cup game where Martial who barely ever scores anymore also scored?
That's Kane right there.We could probably have wrangled £120m or so for the one season wonder.
Now we've committed to paying him £90m instead. Payday achieved, feet up.
Post-contract emotional issues. There’s still a footballer in him, but he’s got issues to work through first. He’s a footballer who clearly is playing with no joy right now.
No, I think he is playing poorly - but so is the whole team. If a whole team is playing poorly, do you think it makes sense to single 1 player out?