[lex talionis]

Who would have Marcus Rashford have the weight of the world on his shoulders?

 

[Katy Cat]

Whilst you make some good points, saying the club has no ruthless edge isn't entirely correct, just look at Sancho situation.
People react differently to situations, Rashford may well be one whom reacts better to an arm around the shoulder rather than a harsh word.
Rashford is not 'rot', he's a player who needs to find his form of last season.

I don't see him as 'rot' - he's got ability, it's just nowhere near being genuine top class - but I just don't buy the 'arm round the shoulder', 'form of last season' view.

Any critical review - and it needs be critical: he's mid-20s and one of the best-paid player world-wide - suggests last season's goal tally is not something he's likely to repeat.He's never shown any consistency, with sporadic bursts of form (for form read goals), horribly outweighed by months of nothingness.

His lack of effort, failure to press, failure to track back, is a disgrace - it was corporate recklessness to give him that new contract.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

I see Carragher’s caught Neville’s schtick of being completely comfy and more than willing to question the character and professionalism of a player as long as they’re foreign, the dig at Martial is a joke

 

[kaku06]

I see Carragher’s caught Neville’s schtick of being completely comfy and more than willing to question the character and professionalism of a player as long as they’re foreign, the dig at Martial is a joke

Why is it a joke? You talk as if Martial is a top professional. He again proved yesterday he’s a lazy sod and on top of that he had the audacity to throw his arms in the air on the pitch when the manager called him out. That’s as unprofessional as it gets.

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

Whilst you make some good points, saying the club has no ruthless edge isn't entirely correct, just look at Sancho situation.
People react differently to situations, Rashford may well be one whom reacts better to an arm around the shoulder rather than a harsh word.
Rashford is not 'rot', he's a player who needs to find his form of last season.

Rashford is primarily a goal scorer and secondarily (is that a word?) a provider of assists. When he is not in form then that should mean he's not providing either of those.

For him not to track back or chase opponents is NOTHING to do with form and EVERYTHING to do with attitude. You don't have to be in form to do the basics.

 

[stevoc]

You think Rashford’s poor form this season is because he’s been asked to play on the right wing? Do you have any idea how often (or should I say how rarely) he’s been asked to play there this season?

No, he wasn't good before the switch to the right. Just as he wasn't great on the left 2 years ago but got progressively worse over the rest of the season when Rangnick deployed him mostly off the right. But this season just like then he's been even worse on the RW, yesterday he was absolute dogshit.

If Ten Hag has no interest in trying to play him back into form on the left then fine but he should just drop him and play someone else off the right. I don't see anything good coming from playing him there, as we've seen over the last 4 games when he's been asked to.

 

[United492]

No, he wasn't good before the switch to the right. Just as he wasn't great on the left 2 years ago but got progressively worse over the rest of the season when Rangnick deployed him mostly off the right. But this season just like then he's been even worse on the RW, yesterday he was absolute dogshit.

If Ten Hag has no interest in trying to play him back into form on the left then fine but he should just drop him and play someone else off the right. I don't see anything good coming from playing him there, as we've seen over the last 4 games when he's been asked to.

Form is one thing, the main thing in question at the minute, in my view, is effort. There is none and that is disgraceful, regardless of position.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Form is one thing, the main thing in question at the minute, in my view, is effort. There is none and that is disgraceful, regardless of position.

Yup.

 

[Appletonred]

Rashford is not as good as he thinks he is, certainly not world class, but he's just one of quite a few at the club who are deluded about their own ability, most of the players are not truly of the required standard to play for Manchester United at the highest level.

 

[AdNani]

One of the laziest, most disgraceful performances I’ve ever seen from a United player, I’ve been a fan of his since he came through but if there is another performance remotely as bad as that he should be shown the door. Attitude and desire was appalling.

 

[Eyepopper]

For any masochists that want to put themselves through it.

 

[Marcus]

Is Rashford under a cloud because his buddy Sancho has been banished? He should get over himself or leave. He has no business being in the starting eleven with this mentality.

 

[2 man midfield]

Is Rashford under a cloud because his buddy Sancho has been banished? He should get over himself or leave. He has no business being in the starting eleven with this mentality.

Seems the only way he’s getting dropped is if he’s late for another team meeting. Just have to hope he gets a flat on the way to training at this rate.

 

[Eyepopper]

Is Rashford under a cloud because his buddy Sancho has been banished? He should get over himself or leave. He has no business being in the starting eleven with this mentality.

How did Neville react when Becks was sold?

 

[2 man midfield]

How did Neville react when Becks was sold?

Or his brother. Or Nicky butt. Or when Keano was fired.

 

[THE ZOL]

Too many over the top reactions.

Rashford’s overall play has always been sloppy and his defensive commitment has always been weak. The only difference is there are times, when the team is stable and functional when he covers it up with goals.

This season, he’s been in a highly dysfunctional team under a manager that has lost the dressing room and created a toxic atmosphere. Moreover, following 30 goals last season he has been reduced to role of a supporting act primarily tasked with creating and crossing. We all know that this is Rashford’s weakness. We also know how devestating Rashford can be when he has the simple task of running in behind and finishing or cutting inside and shooting.

We know that Rashford’s defensive work-rate is low. So how about having a 4-4-2 defensive shape where he can start the press as part of a 2 rather than forcing him to go all the way back to follow the opposition full-back? It’s just ironic how Ten Hag tells us he can’t play Ajax ball because he has to adapt to the players and yet he doesn’t change the formation in order to hide individual weaknesses.

Rashford’s poor form is simply a symptom of how poor United have been this season rather than the cause. The sooner that Ten Hag is gone, the better. Instead of predictably scapegoating Rashford, Sancho and Martial, maybe take a look at the root causes for their inability to have an impact.

Maybe then you would put two and two together and assess why it is the same common denominator responsible for Hojlund, Bruno, Antony and Garnacho also being below par.

 

[Marcus]

Or his brother. Or Nicky butt. Or when Keano was fired.

Neville is the kind of player who places club over individuals. He certainly would have still given his all.

 

[Marcus]

Too many over the top reactions.

Rashford’s overall play has always been sloppy and his defensive commitment has always been weak. The only difference is there are times, when the team is stable and functional when he covers it up with goals.

This season, he’s been in a highly dysfunctional team under a manager that has lost the dressing room and created a toxic atmosphere. Moreover, following 30 goals last season he has been reduced to role of a supporting act primarily tasked with creating and crossing. We all know that this is Rashford’s weakness. We also know how devestating Rashford can be when he has the simple task of running in behind and finishing or cutting inside and shooting.

We know that Rashford’s defensive work-rate is low. So how about having a 4-4-2 defensive shape where he can start the press as part of a 2 rather than forcing him to go all the way back to follow the opposition full-back? It’s just ironic how Ten Hag tells us he can’t play Ajax ball because he has to adapt to the players and yet he doesn’t change the formation in order to hide individual weaknesses.

Rashford’s poor form is simply a symptom of how poor United have been this season rather than the cause. The sooner that Ten Hag is gone, the better. Instead of predictably scapegoating Rashford, Sancho and Martial, maybe take a look at the root causes for their inability to have an impact.

Maybe then you would put two and two together and assess why it is the same common denominator responsible for Hojlund, Bruno, Antony and Garnacho also being below par.

I am right now in the EtH-out camp. But you are basically saying that Rashford is a fair-weather player who needs ideal conditions to succeed. I don't think we should be accepting that kind of player at United if we want to rise to the top again, even with a change of manager.

 

[hobbers]

Rashford’s poor form is simply a symptom of how poor United have been
Maybe then you would put two and two together and assess why it is the same common denominator responsible for Hojlund, Bruno, Antony and Garnacho also being below par.

Ah yes here it is, Rashfords PR service. Whenever Rashford is performing to a sub sunday league standard it’s always his managers fault and his team mates faults. Never his.

Unfortunately for Sir Rashy MBE these excuses no longer distract everyone from his laziness, apathy, horrible body language and the contempt he seems to have to football and his manager/team mates when it isn’t all going his way. Tactics and positions can never account for moping around like a braindead zombie.

Put two and two together and see that Rashford has had these same observations levelled at him under 5 different managers. Like Bruno he had long periods of being shite under Ole and Rangnick as well as ETH. Even when playing in Oles Leicester 2015 throwback system that is the only philosophy those two are suited to.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Rashford’s poor form is simply a symptom of how poor United have been this season rather than the cause. The sooner that Ten Hag is gone, the better. Instead of predictably scapegoating Rashford, Sancho and Martial, maybe take a look at the root causes for their inability to have an impact.

Maybe then you would put two and two together and assess why it is the same common denominator responsible for Hojlund, Bruno, Antony and Garnacho also being below par.

How many managers have those players been working under? How is it that Rashford always stinks the place right before any manager gets sacked? Perhaps you should start by answering those questions and then look at those 3 names before you accuse the manager for everything going wrong. Ralf Rangnick may have not lasted long, but he saw through Rashford as someone incapable of carrying the team on a sustained basis. The funny thing is that what Rangnick saw echoes what Mourinho also saw of Rashford.

Don't even bring Sancho in the conversation here because that kind of insubordination and disrespect of authority of his would be far less tolerated in any normal work setting out there. I don,t think he and his buddies would be able to hold a job outside of football with that kind of behavior. Players like Sancho are the perfect picture of everything wrong in many professional sports nowadays.

 

[Abhinav]

Too many over the top reactions.

Rashford’s overall play has always been sloppy and his defensive commitment has always been weak. The only difference is there are times, when the team is stable and functional when he covers it up with goals.

This season, he’s been in a highly dysfunctional team under a manager that has lost the dressing room and created a toxic atmosphere. Moreover, following 30 goals last season he has been reduced to role of a supporting act primarily tasked with creating and crossing. We all know that this is Rashford’s weakness. We also know how devestating Rashford can be when he has the simple task of running in behind and finishing or cutting inside and shooting.

We know that Rashford’s defensive work-rate is low. So how about having a 4-4-2 defensive shape where he can start the press as part of a 2 rather than forcing him to go all the way back to follow the opposition full-back? It’s just ironic how Ten Hag tells us he can’t play Ajax ball because he has to adapt to the players and yet he doesn’t change the formation in order to hide individual weaknesses.

Rashford’s poor form is simply a symptom of how poor United have been this season rather than the cause. The sooner that Ten Hag is gone, the better. Instead of predictably scapegoating Rashford, Sancho and Martial, maybe take a look at the root causes for their inability to have an impact.

Maybe then you would put two and two together and assess why it is the same common denominator responsible for Hojlund, Bruno, Antony and Garnacho also being below par.

The bolded is the reason he needs to be shown out of the door. If we want to move forward, we can’t accept ‘weak defensive commitment’ and low defensive work-rate. He is no Ronaldo or Messi, his skill and output do not justify special treatment. As soon as he and his fans realise, the better for all of us.
If you look at our competitors, which successful team is carrying their attackers and not giving them defensive duties? Newcastle forwards were busting their gut to get to the second balls while our guy here is was throwing a strop. Same with City, Liverpool and Arsenal. We need players with higher technical ability and higher work ethic. Anyone who does not meet the bar or is unwilling to put in the work, needs to be shown the door.

 

[mewnew11]

yeah that was very bizarre. They’re like “he’s not running”.. he’s like “erm his team mates, erm he’s not that kind of player”.

All the rivals will do everything to ensure rashford stays and plays as they know United are a man down when he plays

 

[tenpoless]

I'd say he can make millions easily singing with Michael Bubble about Xmas and all that. Merry New Year, give me presents and all that. What do you think?

 

[Pyro19]

Needs to be binned as soon as we have a replacement that can help share the team's burden of goals.

He's talented beyond belief but his application is poor. That's why he will always be a purple patch footballer and you simply cannot have a passenger in the premier league

Get rid

 

[Hughes35]

People are finally realising what's been obvious for years. He's just not very good.

Certain pundits will NEVER turn in him as he's a media darling and PR golden boy though.

You know its bad when the team would be better with Antony.

 

[slored1]

Keane and Carra have a point comparing Rashford to Son. Even when Son was poor last season, he still played with intensity and fight. As soon as things go wrong for Rashford, his head drops and he starts sulking. One of the main architects of Ten Hag downfall, needs to be sent to the stands along with few others until he starts to press and fight for the team.

 

[Adisa]

For any masochists that want to put themselves through it.

Don’t think I can watch it. A disgrace.

 

[Shunty]

Not about him not being good enough. That much is obvious, we’re in a situation now where the fans just want these players gone, let’s get rid and build slowly with some players who do work who do run. We might as well embrace 8th and try and play like a club with an identity

 

[AndySmith1990]

For any masochists that want to put themselves through it.

The ability of Bebe and the work rate of Jim Royle.

 

[Chaky_Best]

Bench him till new year and make him feel that he needs to prove himself.

Guy can't run anymore, has the speed of a 85 years old and the wrong mentality.

Ten Hag needs to be ruthless with him. He can have 15 bad games, but the attitude his beyond the level. He just need to be punished now.

 

[Gordon Godot]

Bench him till new year and make him feel that he needs to prove himself.

Guy can't run anymore, has the speed of a 85 years old and the wrong mentality.

Ten Hag needs to be ruthless with him. He can have 15 bad games, but the attitude his beyond the level. He just need to be punished now.

I have already pretty much given up on ETH but if he starts Rashford against Chelsea then its the final straw. There were press reports that players unhappy with his favourites, like Antony who played every week despite being abysmal. Same is now true of Rashford

 

[AngliaRed]

Luiz Diaz at Liverpool put a shift in a ran when his old man was kidnapped yet this lazy jumped up clown think he’s too good too.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

I have already pretty much given up on ETH but if he starts Rashford against Chelsea then its the final straw. There were press reports that players unhappy with his favourites, like Antony who played every week despite being abysmal. Same is now true of Rashford

Both Rashford and McTominay to start. Easy bets.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Luiz Diaz at Liverpool put a shift in a ran when his old man was kidnapped yet this lazy jumped up clown think he’s too good too.

Good point. That was a time when he could have simply sat out given how bad the situation was with his parents but the guy decided to work hard and perform on the pitch.

Rashford just got everything too soon without doing anything significant. 0 league titles, 0 UCLs, 0 individual awards(maybe I'm wrong). 300k+ contract for next 5 years.

 

[Oranges038]

Luiz Diaz at Liverpool put a shift in a ran when his old man was kidnapped yet this lazy jumped up clown think he’s too good too.

And he scored as well. It's a different in mentality that's driven throughout the Liverpool team. No matter what you have to work hard. Some people at Utd just don't think hard work is a basic minimum requirement. As Keane and Carragher said, put in the hard work, run and the rest will come. If you're not going to work hard and get given penalties to boost your confidence then you may as well just give up.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Do we think any United manager would have the power to sell him? Would he have to be successful before doing so as being successful with players who are letting one down is in itself a struggle.

 

[Zlatanator]

PSG can replace Mbappe with Rashford. They are the only one who can offer the same contract as UTD.

 

[Boycott]

Looks like he hates playing football right now. For his own good he should be taken out of the team and given time to refresh. People may scoff at multi millionaire footballers feeling mentally exhausted but they're human too and ultimately he's not going to find his form by continually going out on the pitch as if it is the most miserable thing in the world.

 

[Marwood]

Too many over the top reactions.

Rashford’s overall play has always been sloppy and his defensive commitment has always been weak. The only difference is there are times, when the team is stable and functional when he covers it up with goals.

This season, he’s been in a highly dysfunctional team under a manager that has lost the dressing room and created a toxic atmosphere. Moreover, following 30 goals last season he has been reduced to role of a supporting act primarily tasked with creating and crossing. We all know that this is Rashford’s weakness. We also know how devestating Rashford can be when he has the simple task of running in behind and finishing or cutting inside and shooting.

We know that Rashford’s defensive work-rate is low. So how about having a 4-4-2 defensive shape where he can start the press as part of a 2 rather than forcing him to go all the way back to follow the opposition full-back? It’s just ironic how Ten Hag tells us he can’t play Ajax ball because he has to adapt to the players and yet he doesn’t change the formation in order to hide individual weaknesses.

Rashford’s poor form is simply a symptom of how poor United have been this season rather than the cause. The sooner that Ten Hag is gone, the better. Instead of predictably scapegoating Rashford, Sancho and Martial, maybe take a look at the root causes for their inability to have an impact.

Maybe then you would put two and two together and assess why it is the same common denominator responsible for Hojlund, Bruno, Antony and Garnacho also being below par.

Nah that's tosh. He's lazy and he wasn't always like that.

Your reasoning here basically excuses every player in the team.

 

[groovyalbert]

This guy has all the talent needed to be consistently one of the best attackers in the league.

Seriously, what the feck is wrong with him? He literally has everything he could want. The money, the club, the support from the manager, the tactics to fit his game. He's been absolutely abysmal this season. And it's totally on him.