[LittleKingCeadd]

Rashford simply lacks desire. And he’s hit this area of his career where there are seemingly no repercussions for a complete drop in standards. Ie- getting dropped.

One of the biggest issues with Rashford is there are no consequences for his shite performances and he only seems to dig in with performances when he has something significant to play for.
Under Ole he didn’t get dropped when underperforming. It was only Rangnick towards the end who dropped him.

Rashford hit form last season when he’d been dropped By England and his contract was coming up. He is currently still being picked for United and England despite his abysmal performances so there’s no real initiative for him to push himself.

Rashford doesn’t strike me as a player who particularly ‘loves’ playing football. I think he loves what comes with it, the finances, materials and adoration. He’s got ego and that’s what I feel pushes him rather than a burning desire to succeed or improve as a football player. That would explain why in ten years there’s been no serious development of his technical attributes other than when he got better at free kicks. He’s also not naturally a tenacious player so he will appear completely uninterested if these circumstances are combined.

I think most young players lack desire, especially when at such a young age in their careers they become multi millionaires....
Rashford in the next 5yrs is going to earn £75m from Manchester United wether they win any trophies or not.
Do we think he goes home to his £2.5m home and is miserable for a few days because we lost?

Thats the difference between someone like Rashford & someone like Roy Keane, Or Becks who have stated that they hated losing with passion.
I bet some of the others wanted to win just so they didn't have to cope with a miserable Roy Keane around the training complex until the next game.....

I look at Bellingham doing well at Real & I think its because he knows if he doesn't perform to the standard of his "Price Tag" & "Salary" then the fans and the club turn on them and ship them off at the next available chance. they then move onto the next big thing...
We constantly want to hold onto these players for some reason (probably fear of doing well elsewhere as it never used to happen at United when Fergie was around).

 

[Orton]

Each passing game his overall goal to game ratio looks almost identical to Theo’s. Thing is when he isn’t scoring he’s completely useless and doesn’t try. We made him our highest/2nd highest paid player. Mental

 

[Von Mistelroum]

He can run but only toward the opposition goal.

If he runs toward the opposition goal and there's a defender in the way he'll generally stop dead, turn round and pass backwards.

If there's a 50/50 challenge or even a 60/40 or 70/30 challenge in his favour, he'll slow down and pull out every time.

In most matches this season, we'd have been no worse off leaving him at home, even if we didn't replace him. At least if you KNOW you're playing with ten men, you can prepare and react accordingly.

There's plenty of excuses for not playing well, there's no excuse for not putting in any effort. Can't stand the guy and hope that he'll be sold, and then has a similarly rubbish end to his career as his mates Lingard and Pogba.

 

[jem]

You actually hate him?

Find that bizarre

I could never hate Rashford after all he did during the early days of the pandemic, but I definitely hate what he represents on the pitch (lazy, entitled, and just not very good.) Not sure if that's what the poster you were responding to meant, but it's definitely the feeling I've had over the last 3 seasons (with a brief 4-month respite.)

 

[Bastian]

For his sake, if he doesn't massively recover his form this season I do hope he sits out the Euros and gets a decent pre-season under his belt with everything to prove.

 

[edgecutter]

The guy clearly is sulking or doesn't give a feck. How this club keeps rewarding average players that have purple patches with outrageous wages will never cease to amaze me.

 

[jem]

For his sake, if he doesn't massively recover his form this season I do hope he sits out the Euros and gets a decent pre-season under his belt with everything to prove.

If there was any logic to Southgate's thinking, sitting out wouldn't be a choice for Rashford to make.

 

[edgecutter]

For his sake, if he doesn't massively recover his form this season I do hope he sits out the Euros and gets a decent pre-season under his belt with everything to prove.

He's on 350k like Sancho. They have nothing to prove with the wages they are on. At City it's about winning, at United it's about the wages and that's why we are languishing where we are.

 

[jem]

He's on 350k like Sancho. They have nothing to prove with the wages they are on. At City it's about winning, at United it's about the wages and that's why we are languishing where we are.

It's incredible to think Rashford is making almost 3 times what Isak makes at Newcastle. Think about that for a second...

 

[Paddymcc]

Don't forget he also decided to have surgery during the season so he could play for England during the Euros missing vital games for United.

How he was handed a 350k a week contract is baffling when it was clear where his allegiance lay and his contempt for the club.

A product of the complete maddening baffling idiocy that surrounds the club.

 

[Red-17]

Him scoring 78 goals in the previous four seasons is a fact not an excuse.

Less than 20 goals a season 2 of which included Europa league football is not nearly enough to justify being a passenger defensively. Even Mbappe gets criticism for his defensive effort and he is on another level to even the good version of Rashford that turns up once every 2 years for about 5 months. Salah, Vinicius, Saka are just a few examples of wingers who put up great statistical numbers yet also manage to put in basic effort defensively.

 

[GMoore23]

This is true but at least Lingard consistently bust a gut when playing for us. He was an average player, but he always put in a shift.

He had no choice but to bust a gut as that's literally all he had going for him. When he packed on the weight and his work rate dropped, he was a disgrace.

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

Is it still detestable if there’s a mental health problem at the root of it?

Oh give me a break!

There are millions of people having to go to dead end jobs just to put bread on the table. They probably feel depressed, despondent and unmotivated but they also know they have to put a shift in when they get to work as their bosses want to see productivity..........not excuses.

If your "illness" gets to a point where you cannot be productive to the standard expected of you by your bosses OR your own conscience tells you that you're not pulling the same weight as your colleagues then the answer is to get a sick note from your GP and get the treatment (or rest) that you need.

Now Rashford is clearly happy to pull on a jersey, prance around the football pitch, put FA effort into his shift and still earn his weekly salary. And we don't even know he HAS a mental health problem!

Where's the accountability? Is he being forced to play every week?

What if "mental health" is just a term that can sometimes be hijacked by pundits for someone who is lazy and can't be bothered?

 

[Ludens the Red]

I think most young players lack desire, especially when at such a young age in their careers they become multi millionaires....
Rashford in the next 5yrs is going to earn £75m from Manchester United wether they win any trophies or not.
Do we think he goes home to his £2.5m home and is miserable for a few days because we lost?

Thats the difference between someone like Rashford & someone like Roy Keane, Or Becks who have stated that they hated losing with passion.
I bet some of the others wanted to win just so they didn't have to cope with a miserable Roy Keane around the training complex until the next game.....

I look at Bellingham doing well at Real & I think its because he knows if he doesn't perform to the standard of his "Price Tag" & "Salary" then the fans and the club turn on them and ship them off at the next available chance. they then move onto the next big thing...
We constantly want to hold onto these players for some reason (probably fear of doing well elsewhere as it never used to happen at United when Fergie was around).

Yeah, I think that’s been a massive problem, particularly at Man United over the years. And especially since Sir Alex left . I think the romanticism around being a United academy player and becoming a regular has actually become a baptism of fire over the last decade. A lot of players are not kicking on, have become too flashy (without maintaining those Beckham like performances) get the big contract and just give up on improving.
I do think Jude is very different though, I think he’d be like that wherever he went even here. He’s got that elite level mentality. There were even stories at Dortmund that he was very demanding of his team mates.

 

[CallyRed]

Really hope this is a joke but given the state of this thread I doubt it.

Sadly it ended it up being no joke.

 

[stevoc]

I have no idea why we signed Mount or Eriksen, but we lack Casemiro tremendously. We still play shit instead of midfield now. Mainoo is the only real midfielder we play, but he is unable to do it alone.

We could have signed Messi in top form, but with McTominay in the middle he would have turned into shit as well, most likely.

Indeed, but we keep playing him.

 

[stevoc]

But he is our worst player by far.

I wouldn't argue beyond saying that so many have been so poor that I've honestly stopped caring enough to rank them.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Rashford really needs to have a look at himself. 2 goals in 18 games and looking like you can't be bothered half the time isn't going to cut it. We can't go through these extremes with him where one season he's looking great and banging in goals then next season he's dreadful. Such a frustrating player.

 

[stevoc]

Garnacho hasn't been pulling up any trees but he's offering way more than what Rashford is offering. Not playing well is one thing but not giving a feck is entirely another thing which he is doing. There is simply no excuse for that sort of attitude.

We've seen this exact cycle with Rashford 2 years ago. Play him out of position and constantly sub him and his form goes down the shitter.

So in my opinion with him you have to either play him in his natural position or don't play him at all.

He scored 30 goals last season, he's also scored 20+ in 2 of the 3 seasons before that. Of those 3 by far his worst season was 21/22 when he played mostly on the right. So if Ten Hag wants that Rashford back it won't happen on the right wing, I hope he realizes that. If he prefers Garnacho on the left fine, but he should then have the balls to drop Rashford to the bench and let him work hard to regain his LW spot through sub appearances.

 

[MrBest]

Time to be dropped. He along with a few others having been riding there time in the first 11. He's had enough chances, nothing seems to change. I think the issue is lack of fear, there is no one in this squad that he fears will take his place. Even if garnacho does, the right side is so bad, Antony is not doing anything and pellistri is young, rashford knows he has a place. Plus them wages probably say he starts. I'd honestly put Bruno on the right, mejbri in number 10. We need hungry players.

 

[GreatDane]

You actually hate him?

Find that bizarre

I hate him as a football player.
Stealing a living.

 

[Dorris]

I see the PR campaign has started with pictures circulating of him sorting food for the homeless. He’s absolutely insufferable, if you want to do a good deed do a good deed, don’t do it to pose for pictures to try and hold on to a diminishing reputation.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We've seen this exact cycle with Rashford 2 years ago. Play him out of position and constantly sub him and his form goes down the shitter.

So in my opinion with him you have to either play him in his natural position or don't play him at all.

He scored 30 goals last season, he's also scored 20+ in 2 of the 3 seasons before that. Of those 3 by far his worst season was 21/22 when he played mostly on the right. So if Ten Hag wants that Rashford back it won't happen on the right wing, I hope he realizes that. If he prefers Garnacho on the left fine, but he should then have the balls to drop Rashford to the bench and let him work hard to regain his LW spot through sub appearances.

You think Rashford’s poor form this season is because he’s been asked to play on the right wing? Do you have any idea how often (or should I say how rarely) he’s been asked to play there this season?

 

[spwd]

Is this the walking incident? Rashford walking.

 

[Real Name]

Sadly it ended it up being no joke.

Yup. 1:0 to you. Kudos.

 

[lex talionis]

He's on 350k like Sancho. They have nothing to prove with the wages they are on. At City it's about winning, at United it's about the wages and that's why we are languishing where we are.

Bingo!

 

[Katy Cat]

It will be interesting to see how the whole Rashford thing gets viewed in, say, 10 years. In so many ways, he's the leitmotif for how far we've fallen as a club: a recurrent theme for hype over reality, indulgence over professional standards, and reward over recognition. The best example of a player for the worst of playing times.

He's always been a streaky performer, never looked like a natural finisher, never seemed to have the sort of innate footballing intelligence that's a mark of serious talent. And then you add in the consistently shocking lack of effort and the now permanent sullenness. If you were compiling a list of the top 50 players of the last 6-7 EPL seasons and wanted to be credible, then he wouldn't be in there. Take that a bit further and ask whether an ambitious, ahem, well-run, club would see him as worth > £300K weekly and you surely have to say 'no'. He wouldn't be anyway near a regular, not just at City, Liverpool or Arsenal, but at Spurs, Newcastle and Villa too.

He's been brilliantly marketed of course and might well be a good guy, who is completely authentic in all of the public campaigning, but what we have now is also a product of our delusion about home-grown talent and a frankly crazy belief that he is - or will be soon - some sort of world class star.

I'll start to believe that we're moving in right direction when a credible playing operation recognises that we have to move on from this, puts him on the bench and then puts him up sale. Along with the rest of our Specialists in Failure.

 

[ColvaleGoa]

Give him numerous one on one sessions vs Onana

Winner!

 

[clarkydaz]

Is this the walking incident? Rashford walking.

there were a few where the fullback was leaving him for dust

 

[CallyRed]

Yup. 1:0 to you. Kudos.

Would have loved Kudos. Top player

 

[Waynne]

He's on 350k like Sancho. They have nothing to prove with the wages they are on. At City it's about winning, at United it's about the wages and that's why we are languishing where we are.

Another one that comes to mind is Alexis Sanchez. Nearly double that of Rashford and did absolutely feck all while he was here.

This club needs a purge.

Get in a DOF with good credentials and purge the whole setup. ETH, the players, receptionist, the tea lady, everything.

 

[RubyGabe]

I don’t really care what the wages are if the players put the effort in. The effort should be a given. Certain players might not be good enough but if they try we can forgive them

 

[glasgow 21]

Is it still detestable if there’s a mental health problem at the root of it?

Please keep the mental health card out of this. Why is every time a player is called out for being a lazy so an so that he is suffering some sort of mental illness. I tell you what he suffers from nogiveafecktivitis

 

[Ludens the Red]

https://x.com/skysportspl/status/1731403084717273122?s=46

Said this a few weeks back but people are cottoning on now. No PR is gonna save him from the eye test that even now pundits are using that tells them this guy is a coward on the pitch.

 

[El Zoido]

https://x.com/skysportspl/status/1731403084717273122?s=46

Said this a few weeks back but people are cottoning on now. No PR is gonna save him from the eye test that even now pundits are using that tells them this guy is a coward on the pitch.

It’s been obvious for weeks, months even. The most damning thing against Ten Hag is that he keeps selecting him every week. He should’ve been dropped a long time ago. It’s evident that with Bruno giving him the penalty last weekend, and Ten Hag having kind words about him post-match yesterday, it seems the club are sticking with the idea that tough-love won’t work and he needs to be coddled back in to form. It’s madness. The club has no ruthless edge and indulges mediocrity for far too long. Speaking more than just about Rashford here, but the longer you let the rot fester, the harder it is to remove.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

https://x.com/skysportspl/status/1731403084717273122?s=46

Said this a few weeks back but people are cottoning on now. No PR is gonna save him from the eye test that even now pundits are using that tells them this guy is a coward on the pitch.

Not sure what point Micah Richards was trying to make there. Keano and Carragher did the viewers a favour by talking over him.

 

[kaku06]

Fully expect Neville to address the Rashford issue by saying

“I know it’s not a good look when you see a player not tracking back but let me tell you it’s hard when you aren’t in the right frame of mind, it feels like he’s got the weight of the world on his shoulders at this moment in time and that drains you, no honestly it drainsss yaaa. To all the people saying he doesn’t care or he’s not playing for the badge, that’s bollocks honestly that is completely untrue. Marcus Rashford cares about this club more than anyone you can imagine in that dressing room and when you have that responsibility being a local lad it feels like you got the world on your back and when things are not going your way or you are out of form, it drowns you honestly it takes it’s toll and drownsss yaaa”

 

[Robbie Boy]

Rashford gets some cracking excuses made for his regular poor form time-and-again.

 

[Champ]

It’s been obvious for weeks, months even. The most damning thing against Ten Hag is that he keeps selecting him every week. He should’ve been dropped a long time ago. It’s evident that with Bruno giving him the penalty last weekend, and Ten Hag having kind words about him post-match yesterday, it seems the club are sticking with the idea that tough-love won’t work and he needs to be coddled back in to form. It’s madness. The club has no ruthless edge and indulges mediocrity for far too long. Speaking more than just about Rashford here, but the longer you let the rot fester, the harder it is to remove.

Whilst you make some good points, saying the club has no ruthless edge isn't entirely correct, just look at Sancho situation.
People react differently to situations, Rashford may well be one whom reacts better to an arm around the shoulder rather than a harsh word.
Rashford is not 'rot', he's a player who needs to find his form of last season.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Not sure what point Micah Richards was trying to make there. Keano and Carragher did the viewers a favour by talking over him.

yeah that was very bizarre. They’re like “he’s not running”.. he’s like “erm his team mates, erm he’s not that kind of player”.