Marcos Rojo | Manchester United Player Pending Medical

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Sly said:
I think Rojo is physically suited for the Premier League. I think he will deal well with the pace of the game. But let´s see how he adapts playing against superior opponents. Against teams like Stoke, he will be an absolute must. Aggressive and almost unbeatable in the areal game. In big games he has been good as well. Good performances against Porto and Benfica at home last year. I can´t vouch for him if Barcelona or Real comes knocking. When he came to us from Spartak, it was a messy affair fueled by him. His supposed move to Manchester was more of the same. I wouldn´t be surprised if he did it again, if he is a hit and a Spanish big club comes for him.
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That's massively encouraging. Vidic was the most aerially dominant defender I've seen at Utd (maybe anywhere in fact) and I thought it would be a long time before we replaced that aspect of his game.

I'm quite confident about this transfer. He looked good at the WC for me, those that have actually watched him seem to see real potential in him, and he's at an age where centre backs often seem to come good.

PS: I've just realised that Naybet, one of my favourite centre backs of yesteryear, left Sporting at a similar age and then became acknowledged as one of the better centre backs in the world. That has to be a good omen!
 
lem8sh said:
Can't defend for toffee
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Would like your astute opinion as to why you think so. Is it based one watching Sporting over a season? or perhaps watching the WC?
If it's the latter, then Rooney is a completely shite player when we apply the same logic. Oh and Hazard too.
 
Sly said:
He won´t answer because i doubt he watched a single Rojo game for Sporting. This comes from this generation of arrogant supporters who think you should only buy the Hummels or Vidal´s of the market. Even if you can´t get them under the current circunstancies. Supporters who neglect and downplay the less glamorous. Well sometimes you can get real gems from those peripheral markets. Players like Vidic, Januzaj or Ronaldo you know. Why are these supporters some adamant that he is deadwood? It´s not like the world class players don´t struggle to adapt to English football. I´ve seen alot of proven players from leagues such as Spain and Italy fail at England. This isn´t Football manager. From what i know from Rojo, he is more than capable of becoming a decent player for United. Labeling him as deadwood is pure madness and gives a very bad impression of certain United fans.
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Top post.
 
The Red Thinker said:
Would like your astute opinion as to why you think so. Is it based one watching Sporting over a season? or perhaps watching the WC?
If it's the latter, then Rooney is a completely shite player when we apply the same logic. Oh and Hazard too.
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Rojo was actually defensively solid playing LB at the WC, it was the other LB stuff he struggled at.
 
The Done Dealio stuff came from Argentinian press and then Di Marzio as well for those asking. 4/5 sources reported it now.

Nothing broken yet in the English or Portuguese press though but i guess it should soon seeing Ladyman's tweet.
 
FromTheBench said:
Rojo was actually defensively solid playing LB at the WC, it was the other LB stuff he struggled at.
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I'd say that Rojo is a better Centre Half. His last season at Sporting showed that he can be defensively excellent but for his disciplinary issues. I've talked to plenty of Sporting fans who feel the same way.
 
Massive Spanner said:
People are being critical of you here because you're forming quite a senseless opinion. You're sort of saying Rojo won't be a good enough signing because he's not high profile enough, which is bizarre in my eyes given the record this club has of getting players like him and turning them into top players. Not to mention the fact that you haven't even seen the lad play, other than, I assume, in the WC, where he was really good as part of the best defense in the whole thing.
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Indeed I was hasty in calling him average, and for that I apologise, it was foolish of me.

Yet my concerns stem from watching three lads at the back for us that are at 6s and 7s whenever we are attacked.

That we've waited until the last two weeks of the transfer window to sign (potentially) this young man, who clearly wasn't our first choice.

Then we turn to Rojo and try to integrate him into a side that is learning to operate a new system for the last month or so.

We've lost leaders at the back. Experience, leadership, cool head on their shoulders, knowledge of playing at the highest level against the top players. Which is why I expect, whether you wanted him or not, Vermaelen was a target.

If Rojo possesses these qualities then we're on the right track. If not, then I have to question if we're making the right move.

Very true, Vidic came in as an unknown and learned his trade with us. But times are different now. This defence has to get up to scratch and fast.
 
penalty snot said:
Indeed I was hasty in calling him average, and for that I apologise, it was foolish of me.

Yet my concerns stem from watching three lads at the back for us that are at 6s and 7s whenever we are attacked.

That we've waited until the last two weeks of the transfer window to sign (potentially) this young man, who clearly wasn't our first choice.

Then we turn to Rojo and try to integrate him into a side that is learning to operate a new system for the last month or so.

We've lost leaders at the back. Experience, leadership, cool head on their shoulders, knowledge of playing at the highest level against the top players.

If Rojo possesses these qualities then we're on the right track. If not, then I have to question if we're making the right move.

Very true, Vidic came in as an unknown and learned his trade with us. But times are different now. This defence has to get up to scratch and fast.
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Good post. If more more people were humble like you we'd have more great discussions.
 
The Red Thinker said:
Would also like a more detailed opinion when you find the time.

It's all too easy to say your kind of comment without backing it up with actual observations.
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All about opinions but I don't see him as an upgrade on any of the centre halves we have at the minute. His pace and physical presence is negated by his lack of positional sense and concentration. Simply another reason I don't like him is because I think he's a bit of a loose cannon, being on a booking means nothing to him and his 21 yellows and 4 reds in just 49 games is a testament to that. I think he's a much needed extra defender but not of the quality the fans would be looking for at the minute. He will take time to adapt in my opinion.
 
lem8sh said:
All about opinions but I don't see him as an upgrade on any of the centre halves we have at the minute. His pace and physical presence is negated by his lack of positional sense and concentration. Simply another reason I don't like him is because I think he's a bit of a loose cannon, being on a booking means nothing to him and his 21 yellows and 4 reds in just 49 games is a testament to that. I think he's a much needed extra defender but not of the quality the fans would be looking for at the minute. He will take time to adapt in my opinion.
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Is that seriously his disciplinary record? Diabolical if true.
 
lem8sh said:
All about opinions but I don't see him as an upgrade on any of the centre halves we have at the minute. His pace and physical presence is negated by his lack of positional sense and concentration. Simply another reason I don't like him is because I think he's a bit of a loose cannon, being on a booking means nothing to him and his 21 yellows and 4 reds in just 49 games is a testament to that. I think he's a much needed extra defender but not of the quality the fans would be looking for at the minute. He will take time to adapt in my opinion.
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Sounds like an even more rash Phil Jones. Great.
 
lem8sh said:
All about opinions but I don't see him as an upgrade on any of the centre halves we have at the minute. His pace and physical presence is negated by his lack of positional sense and concentration. Simply another reason I don't like him is because I think he's a bit of a loose cannon, being on a booking means nothing to him and his 21 yellows and 4 reds in just 49 games is a testament to that. I think he's a much needed extra defender but not of the quality the fans would be looking for at the minute. He will take time to adapt in my opinion.
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Hmm fair enough. I do believe that he's a bit like Pepe. In the sense that he can be a very good defender in time but his discipline is quite the Achilles Heel.
 
I haven't seen anything of Rojo for Sporting, but one thing that I don't understand is people saying that he had a poor World Cup. I watched all of Argentina's games and thought that he did pretty well. And if he's a cb rather than a Lb, then that's even more impressive. He's only young and he seems to have a bit of passion in him which can never be a bad thing.
I'm quite excited about this transfer, even if he isn't a 'top player'.
 
Sixpence said:
Is that seriously his disciplinary record? Diabolical if true.
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Yep. I warned about that. In my first post in the topic about him, i did the perfect description of Rojo for us. Starts with a game or a series of games, that he plays very well and in impressive fashion, only to do a mistake like two stupid challenges and get sent off. People get restless in the stands and turn on Rojo. He gets replaced because of his suspension and our defence struggles or isn´t as stable. He come backs and plays spectaculary for 5 or 6 games until he fecks up again with stupid straight red challenge or because he argued vehemently with the ref. Rinse and repeat. Van Gaal should work on that asap.
 
The Red Thinker said:
Hmm fair enough. I do believe that he's a bit like Pepe.
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He´s not like Pepe. Pepe can be a nasty individual. Rojo would never do some of Pepe´s fouls or play act like him. He´s a complete nutter and hardman. He´s more like Jaap Stam. A walking time bomb. I´ve seen a fair share of opponents being really intimidated by him.
 
from what little i have seen of him he looks ok. lets hope he turns out to be as good as vidic/evra they where real finds
 
The Red Thinker said:
Would also like a more detailed opinion when you find the time.

It's all too easy to say your kind of comment without backing it up with actual observations.
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Would you like him to supply you with video evidence? He's offering an opinion on an incoming player based on personal observation. We may not like to hear it, and hopefully he's wrong, but it's perfectly legit.
 
No doubt he'll be a starter. Question is whether he'll displace Smalling, Jones or Blackett. atm my money is on Smalling
 
Want another signing for the centre of defence. Definitely.
 
hobbers said:
No doubt he'll be a starter. Question is whether he'll displace Smalling, Jones or Blackett. atm my money is on Smalling
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Smalling is good for back up but overall is quite average, not what we should want in a centre half starter.
 
hobbers said:
No doubt he'll be a starter. Question is whether he'll displace Smalling, Jones or Blackett. atm my money is on Smalling
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If it were me it would be for Jones as I rate Smalling higher than him and we can't have two rash CB's as starters. But to be honest we need 2 new quality centre backs because I just don't thing Jones or Smalling will ever be World Class or close to.
 
Offside said:
Smalling is good for back up but overall is quite average, not what we should want in a centre half starter.
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And yet some would say he's the best of the three.
 
hobbers said:
No doubt he'll be a starter. Question is whether he'll displace Smalling, Jones or Blackett. atm my money is on Smalling
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I'd honestly if we playing 5-3-2 have him or Blackett playing LB till Shaw is back.

I'm not keen on playing Ashley Young there.
 
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