Doesn't stop loans and under table fees and will stop a lot of less wealthy clubs ever signing potential stars.
You'd see even more players signed by Chelsea & co and sent on loan around the world.
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You'd see even more players signed by Chelsea & co and sent on loan around the world.
You know I wrote almost replicated last summer?
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So frustrating. No excuses this year for Woody. He must deliver.
The BBC reported that we had made a bid and they're as reliable as it comes. They would not have published that story if it was merely a rumour
Seems like a real dick move. I understand they are fed up with the way Doyen behave but they have to realise they are only 25% owners of the player, this is an investment company, logically they seek to make a return on their investment so logically they want him to transfer if bigger clubs are interested, this is not something Sporting couldn't have forseen when making this deal with them.
Now I think €20m is a very good deal for a player like Rojo, the player wants the move, so my feeling is that Sporting should just agree to this transfer for a couple of reasons. The first one is that it is the right thing to do for the player, the second one is that if they don't they will be stuck with an unhappy player and a legal dispute with Doyen which they could lose, the last one is that it is also the wise thing to do to keep the realtion with Manchester United smooth. I mean they can't possibly hope for much more than their fair share of €20m, it is not like a club is suddenly going to offer €30m for the player because he is simply not worth that at the moment. They will also risk having to pay a fee to Doyen if this legal dispute turns against them, they might even end up damaging the relationship with Manchester United as we'd be losing out on a good player that we need and is keen to join us and they will be left with a player that will probably never want to play for them again. All this to just put a big fat finger up to Doyen, seems like a bad idea and it is really unprofessional if they go through with it. Hope that we won't ever do a deal with them again if that is the way they do business.
Except this summer we have already spent £60m on two excellent players
Not quite right, the previous administration were paws for the football funds and the bank BES, one is under water the other will be matter of time but sporting would make less than 1 million because spartak will get 20% of the sale, if sold for 20 million then the group gets 15 million and then spartak would get 4 million with sporting getting 1 million.
Already? The window closes in about 2 weeks.
The season starts in less than 2 days and the squad is a mess. Shaw and Herrera look like very good players but that is no where near enough.
Yes, that is why I ask. It would be nowhere near a replica.
If we wanna get a good deal seems like we should just be patient, with whats gone on you'd think himself and his agent will push towards the end? No hugh loss anyway, although I like him
The squad needs two players maybe three players it is hardly a mess and still penty of time to get those players in.
Even if we sign no one else, which won't happen IMO, this will have been a far better window. And we will have broken our record of most spent in a single window.
Yea well you can't stop that unless you forbid clubs from loaning players out which seems like a stupid idea. But for the players they should be smart enough not to join such clubs as Chelsea because they know this is what is going to happen with them.
For the less wealthy clubs the solution is to do better scouting and focus on their own academy. 100% ownership is the same for all clubs wealthy or not and everybody takes a step down on the ladder so to speak. If you can't afford a certain player it is a sign he doesn't belong at your club. It is the greediness of some of these smaller clubs that gets them into these 3th party deals and then when the player steps up and bigger clubs are interested they always feel like they are the victim because they aren't getting 100% of the profits but only a small cut. It would clear things up, it would make sure clubs aren't stuck into bad deals, it would make sure players aren't stuck into bad deals and if you can't afford to sign a player 100% than don't sign him but loan him or move on to another target, simple as that.
I really want Rojo. Not seen him in more than 2 or 3 games. But his fierce determination to want to join us makes me want him more.
Kind of like if a so-so chick chases you, you may not look twice if she were a stranger, but the fact she wants you so bad makes you want her more. Not that I have experienced this often, mind.
Kind of like if a so-so chick chases you, you may not look twice if she were a stranger, but the fact she wants you so bad makes you want her more. Not that I have experienced this often, mind.
But everyone and their nan can see we need at least three, probably four, more absolutely top draw additions. We have five defenders and all of them are crocks.
Our wingers are absolutely terrible.
Our midfield is still soft as ever.
No, that is your opinion but not everyone agrees.
With two signings we could line out like this which easily goof enough to get back into the top 4.
------------------------De Gea
-------------Evans------CB-------Jones
--Rafael----Herrera------CB----Shaw
----------------------------Mata
--------------Rooney-----------RVP
That's not the point because no big team would buy a player from a lower division from a country most of the people would have problems to point in a map.
But they were sold by a different president (your words), for amounts that reflected their market value. Or is William really worth 30+ million in todays market?
You dont know what your talking about. I have read the other side of the story. Why would Diers father want to deceive sporting? He had a release clause, with sporting having to match the terms offered to renew his contract. Its pretty clear cut. Dier obviously prefered moving to spur, over staying at sporting with a massive release clause.
Why does Dier need a diversion tactic?
Do you think at any time during Gauld signing for Sporting he wasnt told about Eric Dier, the British who came through their system? I do.
He seems very talented and very eager to join, we need a left footed player than can play CB aswell as LB, I'd find a big loss if we wouldn't manage to get this guy this summer.
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You mean 4 new players for top 4 or title challenge?
Loving how the lad is very keen to join..
He might be acting the c*nt but potentially he is our c*nt
He might be acting the c*nt but potentially he is our c*nt
I won't be judging Rojo's attitude based on this, at all. It seems like almost every outgoing player has had some sort of issues with SCP. Bruma anyone?
Evans, Jones and Rafael have extremely bad injury records. Who are the back ups if/when they are out? Shaw is already our for a month.
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I'll get my coat.
@Sly as I previously referred to in my original post, people outside of your club (and Gauld a new signing) will question future relationships with sporting due to the current behaviour of your president.
While you see things as a fan, others dont. Thats all I referred to. There is no knowing if that is true or not, so for you to to say 'I dont know what Im talking about' pissed me off. My post was subjective.
While you see things as a fan, others dont. Thats all I referred to. There is no knowing if that is true or not, so for you to to say 'I dont know what Im talking about' pissed me off. My post was subjective.
Yeah we might need backups for them, you said 4 or more top drawer players.
From my understanding, 20m or 30m, Sporting wouldn't get much profit anyway, they only own 25% Rojo's contract and has to pay 20% of the profit to Spartak.
Sporting bought Rojo(6m) from Spartak
- Sell him for 20m : Sporting takes 25% (5m) gives 20% of €14M profit (2.8M) to Spartak. 5-2.8= 2.2m profit
- Sell him for 30m : Sporting takes 25% (7.5m) gives 20% of €24M profit (4.8M) to Spartak. 7.5-4.8= 2.7m profit
So what's the big fuss about 0.5m difference ?? They only can blame themself (or to be specific the ex- CEO) for getting into this mess. From my point of view, Sporting just want to start a war with Doyen. Too bad our CEO didn't even see this one coming( which obvious would happen when you deal with 3rd party company). Sigh.. I think we just give it up, Ed better start looking for new targets now.
Sporting bought Rojo(6m) from Spartak
- Sell him for 20m : Sporting takes 25% (5m) gives 20% of €14M profit (2.8M) to Spartak. 5-2.8= 2.2m profit
- Sell him for 30m : Sporting takes 25% (7.5m) gives 20% of €24M profit (4.8M) to Spartak. 7.5-4.8= 2.7m profit
So what's the big fuss about 0.5m difference ?? They only can blame themself (or to be specific the ex- CEO) for getting into this mess. From my point of view, Sporting just want to start a war with Doyen. Too bad our CEO didn't even see this one coming( which obvious would happen when you deal with 3rd party company). Sigh.. I think we just give it up, Ed better start looking for new targets now.
Just been reading the Barca forum about him and they certainly seem to rate him quite highly, gotta admit I'm not too sure myself could be great, or a disaster is hard to know what to expect.
Sporting should sell him to us for €4m. I'm sure we can make it worth their while some other way.
Probably too late for that cunning plan now.
That's basically Doyen's argument in their statements though they steer clear of numbers, presumably because they are confidential. However, Sporting don't seem to interpret the situation in the same way. Whether that's because they challenge that interpretation of the contract, they thought they could do a side deal, or they're just angry about being bullied we don't know.
Probably too late for that cunning plan now.
That's basically Doyen's argument in their statements though they steer clear of numbers, presumably because they are confidential. However, Sporting don't seem to interpret the situation in the same way. Whether that's because they challenge that interpretation of the contract, they thought they could do a side deal, or they're just angry about being bullied we don't know.
Sigh last time i´m wasting my time with you. You don´t know what you are talking about. He decieved Sporting because he said he wanted to renew so we could waive the 5 million clause and he would get the compensation in return. Then he changed his mind. He said that in MULTIPLE interviews. Everyone here, who follow the club daily and not someone with Japan in his location, who reads a couple of links, were surprised. He decieved and lied in a bought interview with Cofina (specially João Querido Manha) group, who constantly antagonizes Sporting. This is political and with portuguese ramifications you know nothing about. This is part of concertated effort, trying to diminish Sporting´s new board because he is going against certain aspects of our football, that you don´t know obviously, because you don´t follow our football. You understand now why i say that you should stay clear? This has implications that only daily followers of portuguese football understand.
Dier is an ungrateful little player, who was "produced" by our academy and that changed his speech in two weeks of "loving the club, would never betray the club, i wanna build my story here" to i´m being bullied by the President. Like i said the President and Dier had a great relationship and you could see how Bruno de Carvalho was disappointed with his behaviour. He wasn´t sincere and lied. Who can blame him for wanting to return to his country? No one. But we can criticize him for what he did to us. And it´s not a botched interview filled with lies that is going to change our minds. We stay firmly in our President´s camp and not on the side of a clown who because of his own limitations couldn´t hold a place on the team (unlike Ilori).
About Gauld you are still talking bollocks and speculating. Gauld came because of the reputation of our club, academy and specially like he said in multiple interviews, because of the caractheristics of portuguese football that give emphasis to flair and not physical football like in Scotland. He has just said this last week in an interview to SPORTINGTV. Having Dier here had nothing to do with it. Who cares about Dier? He is happy and working at the club and the supporters have high expectations about him. The rest is just speculation bollocks from your behalf. Sporting supporters are firmly behind Gauld.
I don´t care if you are pissed off or not. You don´t know what you were talking about and kept harping and speculating about Dier and Gauld implications that only come from your mind. Why would anyone question future relationships with Sporting? Because we are defending our rights? Because we don´t allow bullying from funds and players? Players will still want to come here, if we play in prestigious tournaments and pay well. That´s all it matters. Why would a player (not Doyen affiliated) would care about Dier or Rojo? We just bought a French and Egyptian internationals. Did they care about it? Of course not. As to what you think of our clubs President behaviour i don´t give a damm. He saved us from bankrupcy, took us from 7th to direct Champions League qualification and gave us means to have a competitive team, why would we care what you think or question?
Update from the Beeb saying we are in discussions with them trying to resolve the whole thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28763841
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28763841
Good. I hope we manage to sort some other deals as well. A CB and another CM would be nice.
If we are still talking to them then this goes through.
I think we likely reach agreement with sporting on this paying them more up front or something extra under the 2.5 million euro release clause difference.
Doyen will get their share i.e the 15 million they want.
I think we likely reach agreement with sporting on this paying them more up front or something extra under the 2.5 million euro release clause difference.
Doyen will get their share i.e the 15 million they want.
How about nabbing Carvalho when we are at it?
Yeah I can see this happening one way or the other. Maybe Nani goes there on loan to sweeten it for Sporting? Would make sense.
Aren't there any other Sporting fans around other than Sly? He is like an one-man army defending his club's honor . And doing a mighty fine job at that too. I was initially convinced Sporting were being unnecessarily stubborn with Rojo's transfer but perhaps there is more to it than the information available to us and Doyen's group perhaps are being the real scumbags here. My only gripe with Sporting is that their release clauses are extreme and disproportionate to the player's salary while also leaving little negotiating power to the player.
. And doing a mighty fine job at that too. I was initially convinced Sporting were being unnecessarily stubborn with Rojo's transfer but perhaps there is more to it than the information available to us and Doyen's group perhaps are being the real scumbags here. My only gripe with Sporting is that their release clauses are extreme and disproportionate to the player's salary while also leaving little negotiating power to the player.Few posts on twitter saying they've rejected our bid. Is this the latest bid or old news being recycled?
Even though it's going to make little difference to how much sporting get, we're going to have to pay the 30m buyout clause to force them into selling aren't we? We really do know which players to go after.
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