Doubt it. He's an asset to them, not an employee.
Marcos Rojo | Manchester United Player Pending Medical
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Doubt it. He's an asset to them, not an employee.
And he's also better than Vermaelen whom I thank God we didn't sign. Realistically speaking, we were not going to sign Hummels.
Rojo is a good option for now. Maybe LVG can get him to play even better than his current level.
Hhhmmm, I think I remember both Tevez and Mascherano receiving wage from their third party as well as West Ham. I think.
Utd in a transfer struggle? Surely not.
Every year without fail we fall into some form of utter nonsense in the transfer market.
Every year without fail we fall into some form of utter nonsense in the transfer market.
That's Carvalho's wage not Rojo's, but nah, pretty sure the third party don't pay him a weekly wage or anything.
I hope you're sarcastic because he's last international game was the WC final, and he was quite good as far as I saw.
Rojo's third party BS is this year's version of the impostors
Doyen want to sell for 15 million for share though. Remaining they can forego. Rest of 7.5 million is supposed to go to them.
Rojo's third party BS is this year's version of the impostors
The Impostors, Thiago, Sneijder, Ozil, Nasri, Fabregas, Baines.....the list goes on. We always end up in some kind of transfer bullshit.
Woodward now, and previously Mr Safe Hands himself Gill have fecked about terribly in the market. Mind you, they would say when you're negotiating with a joker card, uno card, and a casino chip worth a £1 that negotiating is difficult.
Need to walk away from this one. No wonder SAF detests agents and this messy business with part ownership.
Sporting has around 25 % of the player (they actually have to give 20% of any fee to Spartak). I therefore struggle to understand how they can show the middle finger to any deal being made between the major owner of the player and Manchester United.
Its my opinion clubs shouldn't be allowed to sign players which they cannot afford. Rojo is mostly owned by Dojan and not Sporting
They can, they just have to buy out Doyen's share, which due to the €20m bid will now cost them €15m.
Edited to add - or they can prove a legitimate reason to unilaterally cancel their Doyen contract and let the compensation issue drag through the Portuguese courts for a few years.
So they should do that. They cant have their cake and eat it.
No you don´t know what you are talking about. You read one version. Did you know that his father/agent told our President and portuguese media two weeks before the Spurs move, that Dier wanted to renew and stay at Sporting? http://www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Desporto/Interior.aspx?content_id=4032627
The Eric Dier interview you are using as reference is just a diversion tactic because everyone here (including the media) know that Dier´s father and agent lied and decieved Sporting.
Again, you don´t know what you´re talking about so let´s just end this here ok?
Ryan Gauld is extremely happy at our Club. If he behaves in a professional manner and works hard he will have his chances. If he succeeds, he will have his chance to move, like Ronaldo and Nani did to Manchester, Simão and Quaresma to Barcelona or Hugo Viana to Newcastle. Stick to what you know. You are just speculating and you´re wrong.
If they could they would, but I dont think they can afford to.
Also, interestingly in the Sky sports article abou this it says;
What an awful deal from Sportings side.
Which enforces my initial argument. Clubs shouldn't sign players that they cant afford to buy.
Maybe Sporting are happy to let things drag out in the court system while they continue to benefit from the player.
If I were Rojo I'd go on strike too.
If I were Rojo I'd go on strike too.
Things aren´t as linear. And most of those things have been denied by the President. He´s just playing to the supporters heart. He´s just following his father´s lies. Our President said that since last year, he had a special relationship with Dier because he knew him very well from the youth ranks. He gave him alot of support because he was English in a the middle of a latin enviroment. Even when Dier went through a hard spell last year with negative performances, our President stick by him. Dier betrayed the club that gave him everything.
I saw it mentioned that Doyen's alleged breach of the contract means Sporting don't owe them any money on any players they sell. In case anyone's wondering, that's utter nonsense with no legal basis. Even if they don't have an agreement, the players will still be owned in part by the fund. The only element of the deal that might fall down is their ability to influence Sporting, if that exists.
You'd think a predator fund like Doyen would leave themselves vulnerable like that, they will have contractual safeguards available to them and most likely they own a few more players Sporting are using now ? I'm sure any unilateral cancellation would affect their ability to use Rojo and other such players whilst the case drags out. I think that, when their president cools down, a Bebesque side deal would be crafted that will ensure that Sporting aren't screwed in the manner this deal threatens to.
It´s a shocking contract i agree. It doesn´t surprise me. Our last President was a corrupt and incompetent man, convicted of Fraud in the Expo1998 Lisbon affair. Labyad´s contract was equally shocking. We have a wage limit of 1.2 million euros per year and he gave Labyad 2 million plus other 2 millions for his father/agent without any legal reason (was called fee for helping Sporting in scouting matters which was a lie). He were about to be bankrupt before he got ousted and replaced by this new President who is very rational and strict in financial terms. Funds and agents were taking advantage of Sporting and our club was hitting rock bottom. Just wish as United fan that your club never pass what we went through as we were about to be dismantled to the advantage of a corrupt few. I have no simpathy for the funds/agents. They are the cancer of football.
Predatory? Its not like they put a gun against Sporting's head and forced them to sign the deal. They did end up paying peanuts for a player which they are fully utilising. Hope Doyen squeezes them out of the 15mn even if United don't get him.
If this part of the Guardian article is true, then it sounds like Sporting is trying to cheat Doyen out of the transfer fee. According to wiki, Sporting paid £3.5m to Spartak Moscow for the transfer, and Doyen would have paid the remaining £10.5m for a total of £14m for the transfer. Now if United offered £16m then Sporting would receive only £4m which would recoup what they paid, but they won't be making anything. I guess they want a bit more compensation having had the player for two years but the reality is that they wouldn't have gotten him in the first place if Doyen hadn't helped pay his fee, they wouldn't have afforded him at all.
I don't know if you read 442 but they did a decent article a few months back and interviewed a couple of people who reckon third party ownership/funds are the future. If you're interested I'll scan it for you. It's fair to say I didn't agree with their ideas.
I didn´t mate but third party ownership/funds aren´t part of our future as the President have said. He is dealing with a burdem left by the last corrupt board but he already signalled that the club is going to live from our Academy players and ponctual full ownership transfer deals. Like he said, we were about to be bankrupt and he doesn´t want to experience the same again. We will have to live with a lower budget and academy unbilical connection. We can´t play the moneyball Porto strategy and have to live within our means.
I don't think they paid anywhere near £14m for him to Spartak Moscow, he was quite poor there from what I read.
And someone has translated Sporting's statement: http://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/2dipj2/doyen_sports_press_release_about_mangalas/cjpyd06
http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Nacional/1a_liga/Sporting/interior.aspx?content_id=768389
We pay 4 million euros to Spartak. Not even for Mário Jardel we pay that ammount. We never had any transfer purchase for that ammount. It´s an obvious lie. Not even with fund participation.
So you reckon you didn't pay €4m for him and it was a total of what you paid and Doylen's contribution?
It was just a figure of speech, I'm not absolving Sporting or anything like that, but it is these organizations and their ilk that are contributing to some of the wrongs in the game and the world at large( when you think of Argentina's default a few weeks back, yeah the cases aren't related but the objective of profiteering is the same). You are right that Sporting Lisbon chose, freely, to enter into contract with Doyen and thus they should accept the bad and the good that comes with such an arrangement.
Get the boy in here already. Heinze, Evra and Vidic werent sexy picks either. I feel good about Rojo as well taking that into consideration.
Yes. I think we pay about 1 million euros. The fund bought 75% for 3 million euros.
Thatms hilarious. The second summer in a row someone has rocked up to another club pretending to represent MUFC, only to turn out to have nothing to do with us. You couldn't make it up.
My understanding is that Sporting paid €4m + 20% of any fee received for him above €4m. With Doyen owning 75% of Rojo, a €15m buy would result in: Doyen gets 11.25m, Spartak gets 2.2m, Sporting gets 5.95m. Given that they inintially paid 4m for him, their gain will be around €2m for a player who's now a starter in the Argentinian national team, which off course is not a good deal from their point of view.
Yep, that´s why i mentioned the Bilbao lawyers affair. It´s the previous board fault for dealing with this kind of funds. Thankfully these days are going to be over soon with this new President.
Is this one happening?
Sounds about right.
It doesn't reflect well on Woodward that once again we've someone else negotiating on our behalf.
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