So we go after vermaelen who was always going to be difficult to get, and leave it late. Then we move onto someone who's just as difficult to get with all this third party bullshit. This is really uninspiring stuff.
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I would be amazed if we haven't been in regular contact with Doyen since he was first established as a potential target.
At least if we haven't, why haven't we?!
I foolishly thought this one was going to be a formality with no other bidders, a reasonably low price and the player clearly keen to join us, I should have known there was going to be no such thing as smooth sailing for us in this transfer window.
Watch him now get snapped up by someone else.
Because if we have, that would be very naughty of us.
On the other hand if we did unofficially or accidentally discover Doyen's thinking I bet it was something like, "€20m and we spring the release." Not that Doyen might or might not have a gentleman's agreement with the club president.
Pretty much everyone in football is crooked. They all tap up, they all buy players from favoured agents. You only have to look at how few moves break down once a fee has been agreed to see that they mostly already know the answer.
Completely agree, was watching the Super Cup the other night and the post game reaction of Moreno was in stark contrast. He was crying in front of the Sevilla fans and thanking them, said he never involved himself in the transfer at all. Maybe he was crying after seeing pics of Liverpool
though.I seriously doubt Rojo was a target until Barca came in for Vermaelen, which was well into August.
I'm not even sure the tapping up rules (which everyone ignores) extends to third-party owners.
Whatever, Woody himself said (on July 21st) that we were following up a number of targets. Like I said, I would be amazed if we hadn't at least made a preliminary, informal, contact with Rojo's agent who would then have been kept in the loop about whatever discussions/decisions take place between Doyen and Sporting. If Doyen really did make some kind of an agreement with Sporting on July 23rd, surely they would have run that by his agent first?
Whatever, Woody himself said (on July 21st) that we were following up a number of targets. Like I said, I would be amazed if we hadn't at least made a preliminary, informal, contact with Rojo's agent who would then have been kept in the loop about whatever discussions/decisions take place between Doyen and Sporting. If Doyen really did make some kind of an agreement with Sporting on July 23rd, surely they would have run that by his agent first?
If the 75% and 20% selling percentage values are true, sporting might as well keep the player. They're going to get feck all from it so they should let him run out his contract.
Like I said, it doesn't work that way. At least it shouldn't.
Would be absolutely crazy if Woodward spent all summer chasing one target, then when that fell through, phoned Van Gaal to say "Vermaelen's not happening, anyone else you fancy?"
These things have to be worked on in parallel. Chase a number of targets for the position you've identified needs strengthening, all at the same time. If/when you make a breakthrough for someone at the top of your list, don't follow up any of the alternatives. If the number 1 goes elsewhere, you're not starting from scratch with alternates.
Who knows, though? With the cluster-feck we've seen these last two summers, perhaps Woodward hasn't grasped that himself?
Manchester United sign Rojo for 22 mil pounds!!!!!!!
On 14th July 2015.
You heard it here first!
On 14th July 2015.
You heard it here first!
The difference is Sevilla are happily selling him for a profit, where as Sporting don't want Rojo going. They are keeping him against his will.Completely agree, was watching the Super Cup the other night and the post game reaction of Moreno was in stark contrast. He was crying in front of the Sevilla fans and thanking them, said he never involved himself in the transfer at all. Maybe he was crying after seeing pics of Liverpool
Let's hope Blatter roles out the slave comments for this transfer too.
Sporting wouldn't even have the player in the first place without Doyen. They couldn't afford him, and they have benefitted from having him in their team despite only paying for 25% of his transfer fee.
Bottom line is the contents of the contract which no one knows. If Sporting must listen to certain offers and compensate Doyen, then that is what they have to do.
Bottom line is the contents of the contract which no one knows. If Sporting must listen to certain offers and compensate Doyen, then that is what they have to do.
Except that unless they can show Doyen gave them just cause to break the contract, it's believed they now owe Doyen €15m.
The first line didn't even make me the least bit excited, so epic fail.
From what I've read if Sporting block the transfer then they'll have to stump up €15m to buy the 75% of his rights that are owned by the 3rd party. After all this bad blood I can't see that happening so I think it'll go ahead once it becomes clear that dragging their heels won't get them anywhere.
What's a bigger fail is our transfer strategy mate.
I understand what you're saying and I can't really disprove it all, but I also think a lot of the things are purely circumstantial. Like managerial changes, not having a DoF, club not having the same level of pull as earlier etc. These are not excuses mind, but they certainly contribute to the bigger picture. I seriously doubt Gill would have found himself in a much different situation.
Yep, Sporting feel like they are getting a rough ride in this and are kicking up a fuss, but it's their fault for getting involved in these agent % transfers.
It probably was. Joking aside, Doyen (via Rojo's agent or otherwise) probably told us €20m and they'd invoke the contract. It's Sporting who are using the gentleman's agreement argument and attaching deadlines.
It's worth noting that FIFA already have regulations against what is being alleged Doyen have done:
[PDF] http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/aff...e_status_and_transfer_of_players_en_33410.pdf
Article 18bis, paragraph 1.
This probably explains the weirdness around the deal. Sporting emphatically coming out against Doyen suggests they may be leaning on this.
[PDF] http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/aff...e_status_and_transfer_of_players_en_33410.pdf
Article 18bis, paragraph 1.
This probably explains the weirdness around the deal. Sporting emphatically coming out against Doyen suggests they may be leaning on this.
Yeah, fair point. Too many conflicting agendas here to be certain about anything.
Nothing's ever bloody simple is it?! Is the lad worth all this hassle? Probably not.
Of course, the way that is worded is interesting. The burden of responsibility lies with the club.
So if Sporting try to claim that Doyen was exerting undue influence, FIFA would argue that it's their own fault and punish them accordingly.
The plot thickens...
People similarly lost their minds when Bilbao announced on their site that they rejected our bid and said he isn't for sale. He signed the next day.
The point being - calm the feck down.
The point being - calm the feck down.
If the 30 million euro release clause stuff is true then Sporting at best can get 2.5 million more.
If Doyen want to sell at 20 million and we want him enough then with more upfront payment for sporting and 1/2 million more a settlement can be reached.
That is if Sporting do not wanna reach a deal.
If Doyen want to sell at 20 million and we want him enough then with more upfront payment for sporting and 1/2 million more a settlement can be reached.
That is if Sporting do not wanna reach a deal.
I do know what Im talking about. did you actually read what I wrote, or just hot headedly went on the attack?
Whats ryan gauld thinking? Is he feeling as confident as when he signed?
Have you read the Eric Dier reports? The kid was treated like crap by your president on leaving the club.
Exactly. And how much money do they stand to lose if losing a key player this late in the window means they don't play in the CL the following season?
There's almost no incentive for Sporting to sell in this scenario. It's all very unusual and means we've very little chance of getting this done.
If he has a release clause then they do not have a choice do they?
The player has gone on strike and i doubt he will play for Sporting again if it goes legal. They will have to prove the Sms and conduct stuff or they can end up with 0 as well.
If they wanna risk it for a unhappy player then we will have to move on this late.
I guess it depends. Suarez allegedly had a release clause last summer but Liverpool still blocked the transfer. I would imagine the combined ownership model here makes exercising release clauses even more complex.
Also, do we really have to spend 30m quid on another, relatively unproven, defender? I try not to get too hung up on transfer fees but we've been over-paying like crazy since Woodward took over. Look at the prices of other quality defenders signed by the big PL clubs this season. Surely to feck we can get in the quality we need, without paying stupid money again?
I still think this will be resolved. Neither Sporting nor Doyen probably want it to go to court, and what happens with Rojo? Do Sporting want an unhappy player?
I feel we shouldn't back off, because sadly a lot of transfers these days especially with South Aneican players seem to be done via third party/part ownership and whatever, and if we want an extended talent pool of players available to us, we have to get involved in that "dirty/tricky" business sooner rather than later.
I feel we shouldn't back off, because sadly a lot of transfers these days especially with South Aneican players seem to be done via third party/part ownership and whatever, and if we want an extended talent pool of players available to us, we have to get involved in that "dirty/tricky" business sooner rather than later.
How good is Rojo though? Admittedly I've only seen him at the world cup and even at that I wasn't really watching him as a player because he was just another name on the team sheet and not a target. Is he better than what we have? how is he at club level? does he have that special potential ?
Right now, he's competing with Reece James and Tyler Blacket for a place in the team. So I'm going with "yes".
Just give them their bloody friendly and add-ons. I want a signing and I want it now!
With how it seems to have panned out already, I wouldn't be too sure about that.
Ain't worth the hassle anymore, can't see the deal happening now.
He's a centre half, I'd imagine Young would start at left wing back while Shaw's injured & Rojo would be on the left of the back three.
Interesting article.
This bit is kind of shocking.
No wonder Rojo has gone on strike!
That could be his Sporting Lisbon wage, wouldn't the third party pay some form of wage too?
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