Hasn't put a foot wrong, always said he was outstanding at CB
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Its ridiculous really. A CB returns from like 3 years of injury and another defender is lucky to remain on the pitch for 5 solid games and they are considered as class. They even say that we don't even need to buy CBs anymore because we have them. The funny thing is that if the January Sales end and Jones returns to his spot/referees start wearing specs again/Fosu Mensah turns out into another Mcfail who can pass the ball but can't defend then everyone will be blaming the manager for not buying any CBs. Its his fault not the players fault isn't it? Mou should have known that Fosu Mensah is too young, Rojo isn't very good in defending and Jones is injury prone. Why blame them poor thing?
Did you actually watch our games?
He's playing really well - no problem expressing that. Nobody is saying he's a long term answer but if he keeps this up he certainly will be. We'll all find out soon enough.
'No wonder we are in this silly situation' - you've said this a couple of times now. What exactly do you mean? You think Praise on this forum has any bearing on what goes on at the club?
As if any of those plus Spurs are shit clubs. Very good against all.
We need stability, players who can come out and do the job, week in week out, year after year. They don't necessary need to be world class. Gaz was nowhere near to that in fact. However back in the time you knew exactly what the defence was - Parker-Pally-Bruce-Irwin, Gaz-Stam-Johnsen-Irwin, Gaz-Rio-Vidic-Evra. Stability at the back gives stability to the team, stability to the team makes that team competitive. We won't have that with the Argentinian roulette or crocked Jones. Unless we don't get rid of unreliable players and replace them with those who are then we will never compete
I didn't say they were shit (although Palace are pretty shit). Just saying he hasn't done anything "extraordinary", nor has he been tested against top clubs yet.
With Rojo its more the case that he's massively exceeded the terribly low standard we expected from him, so it seems a few of you class him as extraordinary as a result. Truth is, he hasn't done anything extraordinary in his performances for us. He's just been broadly mistake free (barring the two obvious red card challenges) and covered his area positionally well.
You saying he was extraordinary is a bit overboard IMO. It suggests he's Konscienly level good, which he obviously isn't.
So even though both are playing really well and actually offering a stable partnership you want to just knock it on the head and not give it a chance?
Sanchez, Kane, Lukaku and a player coming off a hat-trick. I'd say he's been tested against top quality. All were kept quiet too.
He was MOM vs Spurs for me. On form he is playing better than most CB's.
That doesn't mean he's necessarily one of the best CB's in the league though - time will tell if he can be.
Should have been sent off against Everton and Palace.
As said, you need to define what's playing really well means. If it means ignoring the fact the referee hasn't shown our CB the red card....twice then yes they did great. If you're the kind to do, then you'll probably be grateful to lady luck for what it did for you but you'll also make sure you don't really on it too much either. As you know luck does run out, Jones will probably end up in the treatment room soon enough and soon enough refs will start noticing Rojo rugby tackles.
So here's the happy medium. We've got 3 CBs who had never been consistently good throughout their career (Smalling, Jones and Rojo), at least not enough to guarantee a regular first team place in a team which is aiming for the EPL title. Therefore you add another CB in the mix, hopefully somebody who can also cover another role (miracles do happen and all that). If one of them by some sort of completely surprising tragedy ends up back to the treatment or is shown a red card after mauling an opponent's striker or goes blink throughout the entire game and would need a hard reboot (I know it won't ever happen with the likes of Jones, Smalling and Rojo around). Then we can move that CB alongside Bailly and the problem is finally sorted. What do you think?
Sanchez is world class. The rest are all the same. Big, dumb and massively overrated
Lukaku was nullified massively from Pogba dropping deep from the long ball GKs, and he still managed to turn Rojo on 2 or 3 occassions. Rojo should have been sent off so all round it wasn't one to mark a good performance with.
Arsenal in general were very poor against us, and Sanchez non-existent in general buildup play let alone in the box. I agree he was good against Spurs, but again, its not sufficient to just generally label him as extraoridnary.
Feck me. Kane and Lukaku have got more than 20 goals in multiple for their clubs. You don't get that from being "big and dumb".
Like I've already said we have no idea if this partnership will work long term but there's nothing wrong with praising what has been working well.
Of course he should have been sent off but luckily he wasn't and aside from those mistakes he has been very good.
We'll see how long that continues.
Which Rojo has to get some credit for
Extraordinary was over the top. We can both agree he's put away class players and been very good.
I've yet to see Harry Kane play tbh. I did, but I tend not to watch Spurs/England playing against small sides and considering how he perform with top sides its like not seeing him play at all
Seriously, its one thing being a striker with a small side were you've got acres of space to roam and score goals through counters and its another thing doing it with top sides (ex England).
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As said if you think that a defender who was lucky not to see red twice hasn done very well then be my guest
All the best with your agenda mate.
My agenda is to see United have a stable defence and I've got that 'agenda' because I've yet to remember anybody dominating the league without it. Can Sicknote and the one who keeps going in tackles two footed provide that? I much doubt it. Referees can't be fooled all the time you know.
Of course, but he was rarely ever tested against him so not a lot of Sanchez being nullified is down to him. Arsenal never really had control against us in the first place.
He was turned a couple times against Lukaku and should have been off against Everton. He should have been off against Palace. I'm not going to say he's been very good if we ignore these examples because CBs live and die by these moments (for lack of a better phrase).
Yes, he's covered his area positionally a lot better at CB than he did at LB, and he's also timed his challenges broadly well. But the mistakes he's made don't make him very good. I'd say Rojo has been competent. If he continues this form without the rash challenges for the remainder of the season then I'd say he's a very good CB. Certainly not done enough for a prlonged period to suggest he is one yet.
So without the 2 mistakes (which didn't cost us) he's been very good?
We are in total agreement then.
I'm not sure he'I'll be able to keep it up. I hope he does though.
Those two mistakes should have sent him out of the pitch
But he didn't. Stayed on and played well.
yeah lets keep tempting fate
Maybe he won't play well in the future, maybe he will get punished.
People are praising his form and it's deserved.
And that's why I am not saying that he should be sold. However the hype surrounding the man lately is ridiculous. He should consider himself lucky for finishing most of the games he had played in
I never once said he's very good.
Not sure what you've been watching then.
The same matches as you. I even gave the match examples as to why he's not very good. No CB can make those key mistakes and be classed as very good. No CB can be dogshite for a season, be relatively competent for 5 games and be suddenly classed as very good either.
You're seriously jumping the gun.
Apart from two nasty and childish fouls who should have kicked him out of the game, he was solid. Nothing more nothing less. Don't expect us who are used to the Rios, the Stams and the Vidics to be impressed with Rojo recent form. That's the level Rojo needs to reach to be a regular first teamer and that is what United need not another meah, he's good enough for reserves. We've already got Jones, Smalling, Blind and himself + a couple of promising kids for that
You are clearly not reading. I have never said he is very good.
I have said he's been very good in the last 5 games - which is correct
You said he was exceptional and then regressed to very good - and he hasn't been very good in the last 5 games because he should have been sent off in 2 of them. You can't just ignore that.
Its like saying Blind was very good against City if we ignore the flat footed stance before the goal (which is far softer a mistake than a two footed challenge but he got ridiculed the feck out of on the caf).
Or like saying Vidic was very good against Liverpool apart from the two times he got turned by Torres.
Those mistakes both led to goals? Rojo mistake led to feck all.
He's been very good last 5 games. Shit before it and who knows the future.
Because the ref was too daft to make the right decision. He should have been off FFS, you don't just ignore that in judging a performance just because he got stupidly lucky twice.
How you can say he was very good in games where he should have walked is beyond ridiculous. The ref fecking up on the decision is material to the match result, but immaterial to the player's performance.
He's been very good last 5 games and played them all in full.
You can disagree with me. That's fine.
If a manager like Mourinho trusts him, I'll go with that.
He ain't a left back, where he played a large chunk of his games for us.
We never learn. I've read some people comparing Rojo-Jones to Brue-Pallister and Rio-Vidic. So premature! I agree again, if something goes wrong the mood here will drastically swing
They weren't mistakes.
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