If we can rely on transfer rumours we will soon add a new CB
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If we can rely on transfer rumours we will soon add a new CB
People should be praising their form. Assumptions for the future are far too premature.
I have praised their form, what im speaking out against are premature and over the top statements. Way to early to think we're finally sorted at the back after the problems both Jones and Rojo have had. The jury is still out
I think most people are in agreement
I think some people are getting a bit over emotional for nothing. I don't post like I used to, but from what I read, most tend to acknowledge their appreciation for Rojo (and Jones), on the basis of this new found defensive solidity, which is going hand-in-hand with watchable attacking football. At this stage, there really isn't anything to drastically change, and long may it continue. At a time when £40-50m defenders are commonly being shit, I like this way.
Rojo and Jones have kept Kane, Lukaku, Benteke and Rondon all quiet. Four of the most physical strikers in the league. Ozil and Sanchez also didn't get a look in against them.
But they'll never get the credit they deserve cause some people hate admitting they are wrong. Or in Rojo's case, never knew anything in the first place.
But they'll never get the credit they deserve cause some people hate admitting they are wrong. Or in Rojo's case, never knew anything in the first place.
Rojo and Jones are having a good period of form atm. Full credit to them but few months of successful periods doesn't mean they suddenly become world beaters. It's just my personal opinion but this phase will pass soon and the same people who were on their backs will come out of hiding and criticize them (me included). Jones at least has shown he can play at this level consistently but injuries has always prevented him.
This is the first time Rojo has cemented his place with us. He's still too rash and am not at all convinced he's gonna be with us for long. We cannot be a world class side with players like him in our backbone. He just has too many bad qualities for my liking. We are playing really well as a team and it's making lesser players look good. The midfield specially deserves praise for this.
He's probably the most vocal of the defenders we have now at the club. The others are particularly quiet, even Smalling who at times filling in as a captain
Yet Real madrid are a world class side and they have a similar style of player in Sergio Ramos. Chelsea are killing it at the minute using a similar player in David Luiz.... and of course Argentina reached THREE finals in 2 years with Rojo in their defence. So that proves your point wrong. We have a better chance of winning things with Rojo in our Starting 11 than Smalling or Jones.
I'll give Jones credit but I think Rojo is making him look good. Hes covered for Darmian a bunch of times too and looks to be the organiser at the back. The only vocal player we have.
In the entire time Rojo has played for Utd I can remember a grand total of one key error leading to a goal - the penalty against Watford where he needlessly went through the back of the centre forward. Even that didn't end up costing us a single point
Now I don't claim to have done any research here, I am only going off what I can remember having seen 95% of United's games in full over the last 3 years
I have to be careful here - I am not claiming xenophobia but certainly stereotyping is a better phrase. Rojo is Argentinian and is covered in tattoos - ergo Rojo is rash and error prone. English centre halves in particular get away with mistake after mistake but are still seen as solid and dependable. I know the tide is starting to turn with John Stones but imagine if he were Argentinian and not English! He would have been laughed out of the PL 2 seasons ago!
I think Rojo is far more dependable and intelligent on the pitch than he has ever been given credit for - and no I'm not jumping on the bandwagon, I am possibly the only person on this forum to own a "Rojo 5" shirt from last season :-)
Now I don't claim to have done any research here, I am only going off what I can remember having seen 95% of United's games in full over the last 3 years
I have to be careful here - I am not claiming xenophobia but certainly stereotyping is a better phrase. Rojo is Argentinian and is covered in tattoos - ergo Rojo is rash and error prone. English centre halves in particular get away with mistake after mistake but are still seen as solid and dependable. I know the tide is starting to turn with John Stones but imagine if he were Argentinian and not English! He would have been laughed out of the PL 2 seasons ago!
I think Rojo is far more dependable and intelligent on the pitch than he has ever been given credit for - and no I'm not jumping on the bandwagon, I am possibly the only person on this forum to own a "Rojo 5" shirt from last season :-)
He was an outright turnstile for much of the time he played at left back.
He's passing is superior to any other CB at the club (see his pass to Lingard against West Brom).
Not as bad as Darmian has been recently
I have to admit that I was very wrong with this guy..
Would never have thought that a partnership of Rojo and Jones would be the most impressive one we have seen in years. Until now both of them are doing fantastic and I really hope they could maintain this fom. If they do it will be really difficult for Bailly ans Smalling to get their games - even though I think Bailly is still our best CB and still has a lot of potential, too.
Anyways, glad to see this turnaround - keep up the good work and punch me right in the face for being wrong a lot more games!
Would never have thought that a partnership of Rojo and Jones would be the most impressive one we have seen in years. Until now both of them are doing fantastic and I really hope they could maintain this fom. If they do it will be really difficult for Bailly ans Smalling to get their games - even though I think Bailly is still our best CB and still has a lot of potential, too.
Anyways, glad to see this turnaround - keep up the good work and punch me right in the face for being wrong a lot more games!
Definitely not bias then.
What's that got to do with Rojo? I can criticize a player without invoking another or crying xenophobia.
Apart from his two attempts at being "home in Argentina for Christmas", he's been solid and steadfast ....he didn't even get rattled when Condom(the big cock) slapped him on Saturday.
Well i think you are just over critisising him, an absolute turnstile is what Darmian has been, not what rojo was
Jim Beglin commentating on the Merseyside derby last night, used the phrase :
"a Rojo-like tackle". seems he's going to be stuck with this rep now....
"a Rojo-like tackle". seems he's going to be stuck with this rep now....
He's often been terribly uncomfortable playing out from the back. One good pass doesn't change that.
This is my point. When? I watched the same games you will have watched and despite the commentators constantly hammering him I didn't see that he was anywhere near as bad as he was made out to be. I bet Luke Shaw has had plenty of far worse games but hey, he is a bright young English talent who the media can't criticize and only mean old Jose has dared call out
PL
Burnley (h)
Swansea (a)
Arsenal (h)
West Ham (h)
Everton (a)
Spurs (h)
Palace (a)
West Brom (a)
EL
Fenerbahce (a)
Zorya (a)
EFL
City (h)
West Ham (h)
As it shows via the same link I posted
http://www.transfermarkt.com/marcos-rojo/leistungsdaten/spieler/93176PL
Burnley (h)
Swansea (a)
Arsenal (h)
West Ham (h)
Everton (a)
Spurs (h)
Palace (a)
West Brom (a)
EL
Fenerbahce (a)
Zorya (a)
EFL
City (h)
West Ham (h)
As it shows via the same link I posted
Ah yes - I didn't scroll down and see two EL games. Sorry - now the stat is at 16%. Not a massive difference, especially when you consider two red card challenges were in the last 3 games, its farcical to question @devilish that he cannot be trusted.
If he could be trusted in the long term, we wouldn't be out for Lindeholf.
From the beginning, I questioned the concept that a CB who should’ve been sent off twice can not be trusted. That is why Vida etc. was brought into the discussion.
But its clear Devlish was referring to being rash over a short span of recent games. If Vidic had a good run of form, then made 2 two-footed challenges in two consecutive games, anyone would say he can't be trusted in the next game.
That's like saying ibra missed sitters in 3 games this season so he can't be trusted to score.
Exactly. Thank go we didn't trust that lanky Spanish keeper after he made a few errors, that perhaps cost us a game or two. Players can improve and learn.
No it fecking isn't, because missing a chance is not comparable to a clear red card challenge where you shouldn't even be on the pitch in the first place.
Ibra missing a chance is like a defender making an error and costing the team a goal. This is a fecking red card offence we're talking about and costs the team the game, not just a goal.
Christ.
Sending off sure as hell doesn’t automatically cost team a game.
It costs the team the game far more than an individual mistake for a goal.
The formation and shape changes and makes it far more difficult to score or have any form of contorl in the game. If its nil-nil like against Everton after 15 mins, I'd much rather we let in a goal than see Rojo get sent off for a 2 footed challenge.
Defenders are meant to tackle. Saying you don't trust them because of a rash tackle would mean you don't trust them to be able to tackle properly and you think they are likely to get sent off often.
Forwards are meant to score goals. Saying you don't trust a striker is saying you won't bet on them scoring if they get a chance and miss sitters often.
So yeah it's similar.
A rash tackle is one thing. A wreckless, malicious one (which is the definition of a red card) is another.
So no, its not similar.
Unless you think Rojo's intention was to kill them, it's the same.
You don't need to intend "to kill them" in order to be malicious. What sort of a post is that.
You do. Malicious means doing something with intention to do harm.
Do you know the difference between harm and "to kill"?
And are you suggesting that Rojo's challenges were not malcious? Because you'd be the only one.
It was dangerous and rash. I doubt he wanted to hurt the other player, no.
Is this serious?He may have not consciously thought "I'm going to hurt this player" but he definitely intended to dive in studs up off the ground. He knows what the possibilities are for the other player if he were to dive in on them, but he still did it. That's dangerous.
Rojo's been in fantastic form, and luckily for us he hasn't been punished in the way he should have been.
He went in two footed - its the definition of malicious and a red card. No fool goes in two footed twice in 2 games. Its an infrequent tackle across the league and he managed to do it twice FFS.
How you compare that to a standard rash tackle is beyond me.
He may have not consciously thought "I'm going to hurt this player" but he definitely intended to dive in studs up off the ground. He knows what the possibilities are for the other player if he were to dive in on them, but he still did it. That's dangerous.
Rojo's been in fantastic form, and luckily for us he hasn't been punished in the way he should have been.
Which is what I said. It's dangerous and rash. But his games overall has proved that those moments aside he is actually a very good defender. So it's kind of stupid to say that 'Rojo can't be trusted because of those two games' (even though he had good games then too those tackles aside).
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