Ballache
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There's no justification or necessity for thuggery.
I didn't mean that, the stamp was out of order.
There's no justification or necessity for thuggery.
I think he's gone completely off the boil since last season.If you think he's one of the most limited defenders ever on the ball what must you think of Chris Smalling
I'd be amazed if he didn't get banned, looks to be a definite deliberate stamp to me.
I don't get this guy, he's brilliant half times and a total headcase the rest of it. He went in two footed earlier in the season and was very fortunate to avoid a red card. A couple of games later and he does the exact same thing (and amazingly got away with it again). This past week we've seen the most talked-about suspension of the season for a stamp by Mings, and yet Rojo puts the boot in on someone almost the very next game. I'm really surprised he hasn't got himself a reputation yet either.
Just echoing @Dir Wangem really. He's so popular here but he's a huge liability. Should have 3 red cards this season. Got away with 2, shouldn't get away with this one.
This all comes when he's supposedly been our best CB, or part of the best CB pairing we've had over the last few years. He is a mistake waiting to happen every game he plays.
What are the three incidents where Bailly should've been sent off?You could post this in the Bailly thread and it would be more true.
No he isn't but you're going to stick with that opinion forever I bet.Just echoing @Dir Wangem really. He's so popular here but he's a huge liability. Should have 3 red cards this season. Got away with 2, shouldn't get away with this one.
This all comes when he's supposedly been our best CB, or part of the best CB pairing we've had over the last few years. He is a mistake waiting to happen every game he plays.
As long as he keeps making mistakes, then yes I will.No he isn't but you're going to stick with that opinion forever I bet.
Yeah. Every game he lets the ball bounce constantly (whatever that means) and every game he jumps rashly into tackles?As long as he keeps making mistakes, then yes I will.
And mistakes dont need to be glaring errors that lead to goals. It could be letting the ball bounce constantly which breeds panic, it could be jumping into tackles rashly basically every game he plays and risking cards and freekicks in dangerous areas.
He doesn't control a back line, in fact he does the opposite. And this is a guy who should be the main man back there. A world cup finalist, an experienced CB coming into his prime years.
Edit: short of me bumping and tagging you every time he makes a mistake (which isn't happening), you're not going to take my opinion either. And that's okay. It's a forum.
He lets the ball bounce ie. he doesn't attack the ball and head it well. Playing Sunday league, you're always told you don't let the ball bounce. Rojo does. Do you now understand? So when the opposition kicks the ball forwards in the air, Rojo doesn't always head the ball back, he lets it bounce and doesn't take charge of the situation like a good centre half should. He lets the ball bounce, which can lead to him facing his goal and puts us in a dangerous situation when we didn't need to be.Yeah. Every game he lets the ball bounce constantly (whatever that means) and every game he jumps rashly into tackles?
He doesn't control the back line, I don't get that one either.
He could have 15 good games but you're gonna be back with the old, boring line of a mistake waiting to happen. You're not the only one but there's that.
Yeah I don't see it that way. He doesn't let the ball bounce or anything.He lets the ball bounce ie. he doesn't attack the ball and head it well. Playing Sunday league, you're always told you don't let the ball bounce. Rojo does. Do you now understand? So when the opposition kicks the ball forwards in the air, Rojo doesn't always head the ball back, he lets it bounce and doesn't take charge of the situation like a good centre half should. He lets the ball bounce, which can lead to him facing his goal and puts us in a dangerous situation when we didn't need to be.
And yeah, pretty much he is making rash tackles every game. The fact he could very easily have 3 red cards is testament of his rashness. Again, short of me tagging you every time, we'll just disagree on this.
Do you honestly not know what I mean by controlling a back line? Taking charge, organising, leading by example. Think of Rio and Vidic. If any of our CBs should be doing that, it should be him. But he isn't.
If a player has spent years being a mistake waiting to happen, then it'll take more than 15 games.
Even in his absolute best spell at United in 3 years, a spell where he was heralded as our best CB and a mainstay, he should've been sent off twice. That's a huge liability to have.
In nearly 3 years here, he's had a 10-15 game spell where he looked quite good, and he should've missed 6 of those games through suspension.
He's more likely to have an average 2 or 3 years with odd spells where he plays well than he is to have 3 years where he's proved as a good player. His whole career has followed that model, so i doubt it'll change in the next couple of years.Yeah I don't see it that way. He doesn't let the ball bounce or anything.
He organizes and leads the line, not as good as Rio of course but he does that.
You're really strict on him it seems. If he will have 2 or 3 more years where he'll be proved as a good player you're still remember those 2, 3 times he should have been sent of.
Basically every players sometimes make a rash tackle but with Rojo it's different I guess.
And no, he doesn't make rash challenges every game. He simply doesn't and you made that up.
The line about him spending years being a mistake waiting to happen is funny too. It has stick with him and people continue to repeat that mantra over and over again. And it doesn't matter 15, 20 or 50 games people like you won't let it go..
We can. He doesn't have to be a main CB. Bailly-Rojo CB pair has a future imo.He's more likely to have an average 2 or 3 years with odd spells where he plays well than he is to have 3 years where he's proved as a good player. His whole career has followed that model, so i doubt it'll change in the next couple of years.
Yeah every player sometimes makes a rash challenge, but Rojo makes them oftentimes.
But whatever, agree to disagree and move on.
Actually, do you think we can build a title winning team with Rojo as our CB? As our main CB. The leader and main guy back there, do you think we can get to where we want to be?
In my opinion it was Rio. He organised everything, but they complemented each other very well. Probably the best partnership I've ever seen.We can. He doesn't have to be a main CB. Bailly-Rojo CB pair has a future imo.
And about that main CB, who was a main CB in Rojo-Vidić partnership? I'm not comparing,just asking.
Yeah I guess you're right about that.In my opinion it was Rio. He organised everything, but they complemented each other very well. Probably the best partnership I've ever seen.
He has an Average rating of 5.9 this season but I really want to know his rating as a cb vs being a lb
It has be at least 6.5 as a cb
Done well yesterday, but messed up with the stamp.
Will obviously get a ban, and deserves it.
Bit of a shame, as he's arguably been our best defender this season.
He won't, as the ref said he seen the incident and it wasn't violent conduct.
So, it was an accident essentially?He won't, as the ref said he seen the incident and it wasn't violent conduct.
He lets the ball bounce ie. he doesn't attack the ball and head it well. Playing Sunday league, you're always told you don't let the ball bounce. Rojo does. Do you now understand? So when the opposition kicks the ball forwards in the air, Rojo doesn't always head the ball back, he lets it bounce and doesn't take charge of the situation like a good centre half should. He lets the ball bounce, which can lead to him facing his goal and puts us in a dangerous situation when we didn't need to be.