He won't go anywhere, so yeah. But why do you believe arguably the best German player at the moment, still only 26 years old with 4 more years on his contract at the 2nd richest German club would be cheaper than Firmino from Hoffenheim, if he wanted to leave? That just makes no sense, none at all.
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Then he won't be going, Dortmund won't sell for under €50m.
If we were to sell Di Maria, my dream transfer move would be a double swoop for Reus and Lewandowski. Unfortunately I can't see either as a realistic option, as I think they're settled in Germany.
€50M is the absolute minimum he will go for in today's market.
Can't see him leave this season though. He is now Dortmund's best earning player by quite a margin and really likes the club he will be there for at least another season unless someone comes in with a huge bid this summer.
I also don't hink we should really go for him. We have already got Depay for his position and Young last season has shown that he can actually thrive in LvG's system.
Can't see him leave this season though. He is now Dortmund's best earning player by quite a margin and really likes the club he will be there for at least another season unless someone comes in with a huge bid this summer.
I also don't hink we should really go for him. We have already got Depay for his position and Young last season has shown that he can actually thrive in LvG's system.
He's also Puma's posterboy and they'll try everthing (financially) to keep him from signing for an Adidas or Nike club.
now:
before:
You claimed before that no one would be willing to pay even 25m and that the missing interest is the reason for him staying. Not that he actually chose to stay at Dortmund because he's been a Dortmund boy since he was a kid. You even went as far as saying "Can't believe people on here still think these 3 are loyal". So you're practically calling one of the currently most loyal top class footballers dishonest and disloyal based on assumptions that are far from the truth.
You backpedaled a lot in your last statement though claiming that he won't be going for over 50m. That's quite a huge difference there from "he only extended because no one wants to pay 25m for him" to "he won't be going for over 50m, I can bet on that". Take into consideration that the record transfer fee involving a Bundesliga player is currently at €41m. The way you used €50m sounds like it's not a lot when this is crazy money, we're only forgetting about that fact due to the recent ridiculous inflation in transfer fees. I'm sure he'd cost easily more if he played in the PL or was English but even then, anything under 50m would be a steal for Reus.
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You claimed before that no one would be willing to pay even 25m and that the missing interest is the reason for him staying. Not that he actually chose to stay at Dortmund because he's been a Dortmund boy since he was a kid. You even went as far as saying "Can't believe people on here still think these 3 are loyal". So you're practically calling one of the currently most loyal top class footballers dishonest and disloyal based on assumptions that are far from the truth.
You backpedaled a lot in your last statement though claiming that he won't be going for over 50m. That's quite a huge difference there from "he only extended because no one wants to pay 25m for him" to "he won't be going for over 50m, I can bet on that". Take into consideration that the record transfer fee involving a Bundesliga player is currently at €41m. The way you used €50m sounds like it's not a lot when this is crazy money, we're only forgetting about that fact due to the recent ridiculous inflation in transfer fees. I'm sure he'd cost easily more if he played in the PL or was English but even then, anything under 50m would be a steal for Reus.
Liverpool signed Firmino for more than €50m? The dumb twits lol. He plays for Dortmund that's why not Bayern Munich. Tell me the last time a world class player not playing for a worldclass team was sold for over €50m? Bale is different case as he was packaged as the 3rd best player in world football. Liverpool had Champions league football when they sold Suarez. Reus is not the 3rd best player in the world, Dortmund have no champions league football and after an average season (yes he was injured) he will not generate the figures people are stating if he is to leave in this window.
That's a very good point.
I already told you I was messing about with the 25m why chose to bring it up again to win an argument when I've answered you already... His not loyal because if a top club wants him with Champions league football he probably will be sold. I used 50m because reacting myself again........... Someone stated a stupid figure earlier that was just not realistic so I said 35m just to bring people back to reality. If he is sold it might not be as low as 35m but it sure as hell and won't be the same price as Di Maria. Read post above you will see what I was referring to.
Am I still under rating him? Because I don't know how I am.
What about di Maria for Lewandowski
Does that really happen?? These stuff are a myth like the Messi to Chelsea stuff Adidas funding and the Ronaldo back to United Nike funding. Sounds good but sponors don't get involved in transfers.
No, more than 40, which is still more than the 35m you suggested for Reus.
And again, Dortmund is the 2nd richest club in Germany and they don't need any money from selling players. It's obviously difficult to buy Reus now that he has 4 more years on his contract, when they don't want or need to sell (no release clause, no 'only one year left on his contract'). He's either not going or he's going to be really expensive in today's market. I've no idea what you're trying to say with 'not playing for a worldclass team'. It means feck all. It's all about contract length, possible pressure on the selling club, pressure from sponsors (in this case Puma's relationship with the player and the fact that Puma are shareholder at Dortmund certainly is highly important). You can also easily argue that they're still the 2nd strongest team in Germany and just had one underwhelming season and it didn't even lead to the sell-out everyone expected. They actually managed to keep all their important players this summer. It wouldn't be a surprise to see them finishing in the top 3 and challenging for the Europa League.
Di Maria for Lewa would be a hell of a deal for us....and Bayern if/when ADM regains his form
Bayern wouldnt even miss a beat, they can just play Muller up top.
I love his style, I'd choose him over almost any other player out there besides Messi, Ronaldo and perhaps a few others, depending on my mood.
Apparently Firmino cost £21.m so just under €30m. Check it and get back to me. Reus sounds like the modern day Alan hope he is happy with his trophy cabinet when this is all over. I don't care how rich they are in Germany than aren't as rich or as attractive as the super clubs in Europe.
Jesus fecking christ.
Firmino was 41m Euro, it's the new record Bundesliga transfer. No idea where you've got the £21m from, but I'm fairly certain all the German sources reporting the 41m Euro are accurate.
We just shot down a 50 Mil. € offer by Arsenal for Aubameyang without a second thought. Reus, who has a longer contract and is superior on the pitch, in the dressing room and especially in terms of identification and marketing, won´t be leaving for anything in that region.
Even if Reus would be willing to leave (and there is no identication that he plans that in the near future) the sum Dortmund would demand for Reus in the current situation would be so high that nobody would be willing to offer it. The Sterling money would certainly not cut it for Pool.
He's more Robben than Ribery though. We need a new Ribery
Reus seems desperate to leave to an English club. He must be devastated, that nobody was really in for him
.We don't honestly know how the sponsorship negotiations are conducted, but would it be that wild to suggest that Adidas agreed to sponsor United in such a way that it would enable us to buy Schweinsteger, and perhaps agreed to improve his sponsorship money from the brand if he joined us? I'm not suggesting that is happening, but there's a chance that it will happen in the future as the game becomes more and more commercialised and money driven.
Regarding Reus, there could feasibly be a clause in his Puma contract that says should he move from Dortmund (probably the most recognisable Puma sponsored club behind Arsenal), he will lose his personal Puma sponsorship deal. His reluctance to move may be down to a number of issues, but finance will certainly be one of those.
British ones were reporting 29m poudns which I think works out to the same amount. Maybe there was add ons included in this price though which he wasn't including in his 21m.
If he were to be sold, it would have to be for this price basically. Dortmund are a rich club, and Reus just signed a new contract without a release clause. He's one of the best wide players around, though had a below par year for his standards. Dortmund wouldn't sell him for anything less then 60m pounds.
If we do sell Di Maria, we have to get this guy.
How come nobody's in for this guy or at least papers should be all over it.. He's great player in a declining club, new challenges ahead of him. One question is he really that good? As I have always found him great player but not the very top class, like better Mirallas or sth
OK, let´s do a little math here:
Marco Reus has played three seasons so far for Dortmund, joining them in 2012 after a extremely impressive last season for Gladbach.
In his first season he played in 49 games (around 3700 minutes) and scored 19 goals and 16 assists, averaging a score/minute ratio of 105, which is a really strong number for strikers, let alone offensive midfielder.
His second season was his strongest there as of yet and probably the best of his career. He played in 44 games (3500 minutes), scoring each 24 goals and assists. That equates to a score/minute ratio of 73, which is something most so called world class striker would dream of and similar to Rooney at his peak or Bale´s last season at Spurs.
The last season was a rotten one for him, sliding from one injury to the next. He only played in 29 games, around 2200 minutes in total, scoring 11 goals and six assists. His score/minute ratio dropped accordingly to 129.
In his whole run at Dortmund he managed to reach a score/minute ratio of 95. Thats higher than EPL´s darling Harry Kane this season.
In terms of raw numbers he slightly edged out Eden Hazard at Chelsea (whom nobody in their right mind would not call top class), despite playing more than 3500 minutes less in that time frame.
It´s actually pretty simple. A healthy Marco Reus is a goddamn scoring machine, who had at least a dozen clubs being more than ready to pay the tiny release clause of 35 Mil. €. He instead put the ball deeply in Dortmund´s court by erasing said clause and renewing his contract (at a time where they battled relegation no less). That´s why no paper or club is all over him. Nobody in Dortmund is stupid enough to give up the international face and by far best performer of the team, unless there would be a crazy offer for him and by crazy I mean record breaking crazy.
He has never won anything, He should probably move this or next summer at most.
You would think so wouldn't you.
nobody says that he´ll stay forever in Dortmund. He is 26 and he´ll be able to play for another club during his peak if he wants to. He seems to fancy Spain and he doesn´t seem to be particularly interested in England. So if Barca or Real knocks on his door, he might open it and Dortmund will get a massive fee. The idea that he isn´t good enough for England is bizarre. He is far better than Sterling; he´d be a guaranteed started for any English club.
Judging from your former posts you obviously don't have a great deal of knowledge about Dortmund or Reus. What makes you repeatedly post false assumptions like this when you apparently don't know much about the player? How can you say about a person you hardly know anything about that they're not loyal and would instantly move if a good offer came in. Top clubs with champions league football all over Europe wanted him and would still want him but he doesn't want to leave. Why should Dortmund sell for lets say 40m when they have one of the top 3 German footballers around with a 4 year contract without release clause?
I see what you're saying Balu...
No couldn't careless about Dortmund to be honest and I have no intentions of getting to know Reus personally unless he wants to put me on his payroll. Your taking this far to personal, make yourself a tea and give it a rest.
My point is the £60/50 plus million people are talking about is far too much and no one will pay it (whether that is because he's happy, his agent as told clubs not to bother or the length of his contract, don't care).
If he goes or when he goes we can see who was right or wrong.
these are really good numbers but I still don't find his style as attractive as others let's say
Dortmund has a Puma kit contract - but the only important player with PUMA is Reus. I think Weidenfeller has Puma, too & Großkreutz - the rest is Nike or Adidas.
When Sterling goes for 49m pounds, Bale for 80, then Reus should cost at least 50m pounds and that only as he injured a lot this season and comes from Germany were they can do a lot more with 50m pounds compared to English clubs. Reus is a far superior player to Sterling and Bale so he should and will be very expensive.
Of course he is.
Seconded. I didn't realise Reus was so underappreciated on the caf...or people haven't seen him in years. It also seems the people saying he isn't that good are people who admit the don't watch BvB/Bundesliga....boggles the mind. Watch him and you'll see how talented he is.
He's definitely not far superior to Bale.
The hilarious part about this whole back and forth is that most of the people claiming the bold never actually believed he would transfer for that sum. This is not about "value in the market" (which is propbably somewhere between 50 and 60 Mil. €) or something like that, it is about what Borussia Dortmund would demand to let him go.
What you seemingly fail to understand is that the only decider about a transfer is currently Borussia Dortmund. Reus made sure of that when he turned down a lot of money and got rid of his release clause. For Dortmund to sell Reus in this incredibly comfortable contract situation the normal market value would not be enough for them, not by a long shot. Any buyer would need to pay over the odds by a significant margin, which is why Reus won´t go anywhere in the near future.
By the way, your attempt to belittle Reus´ obvious loyalty is cute but also bordering on delusion. I don´t know what else to tell someone who thinks that every club who offers CL football had a good shot at signing him. Do you actually think that there were no potential suitors for his release clause of 35 Mil. €? Seriously?
Look at what kind of money good offensive midfielder cost today and a player who statistically scores every single game for four years in a European top league and is proven on CL level would not be worth 35 Mil. €? I don´t really care if you rate Reus as "top class" or whatever, the guy walks straight into every English starting formation and aside of Barcelona, maybe Real (although they made a reported offer for 50 Mil. € in 2014 and I certainly rate him higher than James and Isco) and Bayern Munich (if, and thats a big if Ribery and Robben are both healthy and in form) the same would be true for any CL playing side in Europe. Period.
I would actually question any manager (aside of the big three and even there Bayern clearly had interest multiple times) who did not approach Reus prior to his contract extension. Thats how good the value for performance this deal would have been. Not that it would have stayed at 35 Mil. €, though. The actual costs for the transfer would have probably been closer to 50 Mil. € with the difference that everything above 35 Mil. € would have gone straight into his own pocket. This alone shows the amount of loyalty Reus has shown by signing a new contract. Sure, he earns a lot now at Dortmund, especially with the help of Puma, but every top club could have matched this salary and would have paid a hefty signing fee on top of that.
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