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Sphaero said:
The hilarious part about this whole back and forth is that most of the people claiming the bold never actually believed he would transfer for that sum. This is not about "value in the market" (which is propbably somewhere between 50 and 60 Mil. €) or something like that, it is about what Borussia Dortmund would demand to let him go.

What you seemingly fail to understand is that the only decider about a transfer is currently Borussia Dortmund. Reus made sure of that when he turned down a lot of money and got rid of his release clause. For Dortmund to sell Reus in this incredibly comfortable contract situation the normal market value would not be enough for them, not by a long shot. Any buyer would need to pay over the odds by a significant margin, which is why Reus won´t go anywhere in the near future.

By the way, your attempt to belittle Reus´ obvious loyalty is cute but also bordering on delusion. I don´t know what else to tell someone who thinks that every club who offers CL football had a good shot at signing him. Do you actually think that there were no potential suitors for his release clause of 35 Mil. €? Seriously?

Look at what kind of money good offensive midfielder cost today and a player who statistically scores every single game for four years in a European top league and is proven on CL level would not be worth 35 Mil. €? I don´t really care if you rate Reus as "top class" or whatever, the guy walks straight into every English starting formation and aside of Barcelona, maybe Real (although they made a reported offer for 50 Mil. € in 2014 and I certainly rate him higher than James and Isco) and Bayern Munich (if, and thats a big if Ribery and Robben are both healthy and in form) the same would be true for any CL playing side in Europe. Period.

I would actually question any manager (aside of the big three and even there Bayern clearly had interest multiple times) who did not approach Reus prior to his contract extension. Thats how good the value for performance this deal would have been. Not that it would have stayed at 35 Mil. €, though. The actual costs for the transfer would have probably been closer to 50 Mil. € with the difference that everything above 35 Mil. € would have gone straight into his own pocket. This alone shows the amount of loyalty Reus has shown by signing a new contract. Sure, he earns a lot now at Dortmund, especially with the help of Puma, but every top club could have matched this salary and would have paid a hefty signing fee on top of that.
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Solid post.
 
Sphaero said:
The hilarious part about this whole back and forth is that most of the people claiming the bold never actually believed he would transfer for that sum. This is not about "value in the market" (which is propbably somewhere between 50 and 60 Mil. €) or something like that, it is about what Borussia Dortmund would demand to let him go.

What you seemingly fail to understand is that the only decider about a transfer is currently Borussia Dortmund. Reus made sure of that when he turned down a lot of money and got rid of his release clause. For Dortmund to sell Reus in this incredibly comfortable contract situation the normal market value would not be enough for them, not by a long shot. Any buyer would need to pay over the odds by a significant margin, which is why Reus won´t go anywhere in the near future.

By the way, your attempt to belittle Reus´ obvious loyalty is cute but also bordering on delusion. I don´t know what else to tell someone who thinks that every club who offers CL football had a good shot at signing him. Do you actually think that there were no potential suitors for his release clause of 35 Mil. €? Seriously?

Look at what kind of money good offensive midfielder cost today and a player who statistically scores every single game for four years in a European top league and is proven on CL level would not be worth 35 Mil. €? I don´t really care if you rate Reus as "top class" or whatever, the guy walks straight into every English starting formation and aside of Barcelona, maybe Real (although they made a reported offer for 50 Mil. € in 2014 and I certainly rate him higher than James and Isco) and Bayern Munich (if, and thats a big if Ribery and Robben are both healthy and in form) the same would be true for any CL playing side in Europe. Period.

I would actually question any manager (aside of the big three and even there Bayern clearly had interest multiple times) who did not approach Reus prior to his contract extension. Thats how good the value for performance this deal would have been. Not that it would have stayed at 35 Mil. €, though. The actual costs for the transfer would have probably been closer to 50 Mil. € with the difference that everything above 35 Mil. € would have gone straight into his own pocket. This alone shows the amount of loyalty Reus has shown by signing a new contract. Sure, he earns a lot now at Dortmund, especially with the help of Puma, but every top club could have matched this salary and would have paid a hefty signing fee on top of that.
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So basically if Di Maria goes we not getting this guy unless we pay Gareth Bale money. Unfortunate for him then... Hope the club look to a player like De Bruyne, cheaper and just as good. ;)
 
Mainoldo said:
Reus is not better than Bale, it's like comparing Rooney to Ronaldo. Stop it.
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:lol:
Seriously guys, talking with Mainoldo for anything football related which isn't EPL and English is a waste of time. Continue a bit and Delph will be a better midfielder than Thiago Alcantara.
 
My two cents in this.

I rate Reus highly. I think that from attacking players, the only players who are better than him are: Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Neymar, Robben and Muller. Probably someone can argue that Bale and Hazard are better, but in my opinion at best they are in his level.

The only problem though, is that he had a lot of injuries last season, at the same year when BVB had a very bad year. He also missed the World Cup cause of his injuries (take in mind, he was rated as the best German player back then and was supposed to lead Germany to the world cup). I don't have any idea hiw much he would cost - if he were to be sold - but even with the injuries he had, I would be extremely surprised if he would cost anything less than 50m pounds (that would be 70m euros). If he didn't got inured this much in the last 15 months or so, then we would be talking for a world record transfer.

If Di Maria leaves, then I hope we go for him, although it might be argued that he doesn't fit well a posession based system.
 
Revan said:
:lol:
Seriously guys, talking with Mainoldo for anything football related which isn't EPL and English is a waste of time. Continue a bit and Delph will be a better midfielder than Thiago Alcantara.
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So no fee included you would rather have Reus here than Bale?
 
Mainoldo said:
So no fee included you would rather have Reus here than Bale?
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Not sure. Mainly because I don't have any idea how serious Reus injuries have been and if they're chronic or not.

Assuming that Reus injuries won't be a problem, then definitely I would prefer him over Bale (for the same price). Muller above both of them though.
 
Mainoldo said:
Yeah I know Wolfsburg are the second richest club in Germany, he is on a very long deal it will take stupid money to prize him away.
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They're a different kind of rich to Dortmund. It's like saying City are richer than United, less revenue but without FFP restrictions more money to spend. It's fascinating that you believe all the CL clubs in Germany besides Bayern only exist to hand over their players to United for a reasonable fee whenever United come calling no matter the contract situation or the actual interests of the players.
 
Revan said:
Not sure. Mainly because I don't have any idea how serious Reus injuries have been and if they're chronic or not.

Assuming that Reus injuries won't be a problem, then definitely I would prefer him over Bale (for the same price). Muller above both of them though.
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Fair enough.. I would pick Bale because of his match winning ability but I can agree Reus is a technically superior footballer.
 
Balu said:
They're a different kind of rich to Dortmund. It's like saying City are richer than United, less revenue but without FFP restrictions more money to spend. It's fascinating that you believe all the CL clubs in Germany besides Bayern only exist to hand over their players to United for a reasonable fee whenever United come calling no matter the contract situation or the actual interests of the players.
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Real Madrid and Barca live by this standard and don't see why the 3rd biggest club in football 5th if you include all sports franchises can't? What's the problem with this view?
 
In my books Reus is the best winger right now and one of the best attacking players worldwide. I would take him over any out of Hazard, Griezmann, Bale, Koke, etc.
The only player I would prefer to him is Messi. That`s it.
 
We've already got a Reus clone in Depay. Sure we could have both but I don't think the club will do that unfortunately.
 
Mainoldo said:
Real Madrid and Barca live by this standard and don't see why the 3rd biggest club in football 5th if you include all sports franchises can't? What's the problem with this view?
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That it leads to nonsensical statements like:
Mainoldo said:
Well clearly no one was willing to pay the 25m which is why he signed a new contract and no one has actively chased him this window either.
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You're drawing conclusions from a view that is far far away from reality.
 
Mainoldo said:
No couldn't careless about Dortmund to be honest and I have no intentions of getting to know Reus personally unless he wants to put me on his payroll. Your taking this far to personal, make yourself a tea and give it a rest.

My point is the £60/50 plus million people are talking about is far too much and no one will pay it (whether that is because he's happy, his agent as told clubs not to bother or the length of his contract, don't care).

If he goes or when he goes we can see who was right or wrong.
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No, your point is varying throughout your whole argumentation. As soon as you lose ground because you can't back up your claims you change "your point". So maybe you should refrain from continuously making up new points and the argument would be settled within minutes.
Your point has went from:

  • "I can't believe anyone still thinks these 3 (Reus, Hummels, Gündogan) are loyal..." (which is what originally made me reply because it's a very upsetting post coming from someone who has little to zero knowledge about the player or the club)
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  • "Reus only didn't move because clearly nobody wanted to pay €25m for him."
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  • "If a CL club had come knocking for €35m he'd have left."
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  • "He won't be going for over €50m. I can bet on that." as a little add on: "I don't care how rich they are in Germany, they aren't as rich or as attractive as the Super Clubs in Europe." (Super Clubs you mean only Real and Barca or also Chelsea, United, Arsenal, PSG, City, Atletico? Why should these be more attractive to a German, but anyway...)
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  • "My point is the £60/50 plus million people are talking about is far too much and no one will pay it."


Who gets in an argument over something and because he can't back up his claims just adjusts his statements every time, emphasizing the fictitious continuity of his argumentation by continuously saying "my point is", "this is my point", etc.
Your "point" has went from nobody wanted to pay even 25 million euros to nobody wants to pay 60 million pounds. That's 86 million euros currently. Come on, you obviously have no real point or knowledge about Reus. Yet, as I said, the thing I originally found appaling is that you pretty much claimed people were foolish for believing Reus was loyal. You're basically calling a player you have - as it seems now - NO IDEA about disloyal and are trying to spread this. That is what originally for me started this discussion, and it's very weird to keep it up when talking to someone who continuously makes up new false assumptions and states them like they're facts. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but it'd be great if you could refrain from publicly denouncing players for things that firstly they didn't do, and secondly you know nothing about.



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By the way, the idea that De Bruyne will be much cheaper or even attainable this summer at all is also ridiculous.
 
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Lyricist said:
No, your point is varying throughout your whole argumentation. As soon as you lose ground because you can't back up your claims you change "your point".
Your point has went from:

  • "I can't believe anyone still thinks these 3 (Reus, Hummels, Gündogan) are loyal..." (which is what originally made me reply because it's a very upsetting post coming from someone who has little to zero knowledge about the player or the club)
to
  • "Reus only didn't move because clearly nobody wanted to pay €25m for him."
to
  • "If a CL club had come knocking for €35m he'd have left."
to
  • "He won't be going for over €50m. I can bet on that." as a little add on: "I don't care how rich they are in Germany, they aren't as rich or as attractive as the Super Clubs in Europe." (Super Clubs you mean only Real and Barca or also Chelsea, United, Arsenal, PSG, City, Atletico? Why should these be more attractive to a German, but anyway...)
to
  • "My point is the £60/50 plus million people are talking about is far too much and no one will pay it."


Who gets in an argument over something and because he can't back up his claims just adjusts his statements every time, emphasizing the fictitious continuity of his argumentation by continuously saying "my point is", "this is my point", etc.
Your "point" has went from nobody wanted to pay even 25 million euros to nobody wants to pay 60 million pounds. That's 86 million euros currently. Come on, you obviously have no real point or knowledge about Reus. Yet, as I said, the thing I originally found appaling is that you pretty much claimed people were foolish for believing Reus was loyal. You're basically calling a player you have - as it seems now - NO IDEA about disloyal and are trying to spread this. That is what originally for me started this discussion, and it's very weird to keep it up when talking to someone who continuously makes up new false assumptions and states them like they're facts. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but it'd be great if you could refrain from publicly denouncing players for things that firstly they didn't do, and secondly you know nothing about.



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By the way, the idea that De Bruyne will be much cheaper or even attainable this summer at all is also ridiculous.
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Was you bored? :lol:
 
Mainoldo said:
Fair enough.. I would pick Bale because of his match winning ability but I can agree Reus is a technically superior footballer.
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Reus is as good match winner as Bale. He isn't a player that is depended much on servive.

Anyway, I think that Bale will be a disaster in our system and when his pace declines, he will look very ordinary.
 
Revan said:
Reus is as good match winner as Bale. He isn't a player that is depended much on servive.

Anyway, I think that Bale will be a disaster in our system and when his pace declines, he will look very ordinary.
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This is very true, although I doubt his pace will decline any time soon
 
Revan said:
Reus is as good match winner as Bale. He isn't a player that is depended much on servive.
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Yep, agree with this. For example, Reus' single-minded performance in the 2-0 victory over Real Madrid at the Westfalenstadion is about as good as it gets in terms of being a match-winner in Europe, even though they went out 3-2 over two legs. One of the better individual performances in recent years in European club competitions.
 
Invictus said:
Yep, agree with this. For example, Reus' single-minded performance in the 2-0 victory over Real Madrid at the Westfalenstadion is about as good as it gets in terms of being a match-winner in Europe, even though they went out 3-2 over two legs. One of the better individual performances in recent years in European club competitions.
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so people know what you're talking about:


Mkhitaryan probably still has nightmares about this match :lol:

The way Reus seems to have worked on his weaknesses and kept on improving and improving is really impressive.
 
do.ob said:
so people know what you're talking about:


Mkhitaryan probably still has nightmares about this match :lol:

The way Reus seems to have worked on his weaknesses and kept on improving and improving is really impressive. As is his decision to extend his contract when Dortmund were last in the table.
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I still have nightmares about his missed chance. Would've made for a VERY interesting last half hour + possible extra time. I had already forgotten the others he had wasted. What a pass and dribble by Reus before Mkhitaryan hit the post.
 
Mainoldo said:
Reus is not better than Bale, it's like comparing Rooney to Ronaldo. Stop it.
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Wow.

You've never seen Reus play have you?

I think it can be debated who is the better player (I think Reuis) but they are both in the same echelon.
 
Mainoldo said:
Reus is not better than Bale, it's like comparing Rooney to Ronaldo. Stop it.
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definitely not the right analogy at all. probably Reus is not better than Bale, but not a chance Bale would be significantly better than Reus as you imply
 
Invictus said:
Yep, agree with this. For example, Reus' single-minded performance in the 2-0 victory over Real Madrid at the Westfalenstadion is about as good as it gets in terms of being a match-winner in Europe, even though they went out 3-2 over two legs. One of the better individual performances in recent years in European club competitions.
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He was amazing and dortmund deserved to go through on his performance alone.
 
do.ob said:
so people know what you're talking about:


Mkhitaryan probably still has nightmares about this match :lol:

The way Reus seems to have worked on his weaknesses and kept on improving and improving is really impressive.
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Watch Bale vs Croatia.. Or even him vs Scotland.. The main runs the whole game. That's what I meant by level of match winner. Don't think Reus is at that level.. But yes he is a game changer, no doubt.
 
darioterios said:
definitely not the right analogy at all. probably Reus is not better than Bale, but not a chance Bale would be significantly better than Reus as you imply
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Well Rooney at his peak then.. Obviously the Rooney right now can't compete with Ronaldo on any level.
 
Mainoldo said:
Watch Bale vs Croatia.. Or even him vs Scotland.. The main runs the whole game. That's what I meant by level of match winner. Don't think Reus is at that level.. But yes he is a game changer, no doubt.
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Are you serious? He's a top class attacker for a third rate nation, of course he's very influential for them. Playing for a top nation or a top club is a completely different situation though.
 
do.ob said:
Are you serious? He's a top class attacker for a third rate nation, of course he's very influential for them. Playing for a top nation or a top club is a completely different situation though.
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I suggest reading this thread and his replies if you're still asking.
 
Mainoldo said:
Well Rooney at his peak then.. Obviously the Rooney right now can't compete with Ronaldo on any level.
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still no, to me Ronaldo sets a different class to any footballer in this current world not named Leo M. while there is no such difference in class between Bale and Reus
 
Mainoldo said:
Well Rooney at his peak then.. Obviously the Rooney right now can't compete with Ronaldo on any level.
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So because your statements got shot down you're doing the adjusted argumentation thing again then? :rolleyes:

Maybe you should started acting like you successfully trolled this thread. It might be your only way out where you can keep some dignity. :p
 
Lyricist said:
So because your statements got shot down you're doing the adjusted argumentation thing again then? :rolleyes:

Maybe you should started acting like you successfully trolled this thread. It might be your only way out where you can keep some dignity. :p
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Na I'm cool. My dignity is still intacted. Just can't be arsed to type essay replies ;)

I maintain the same figures throughout, they only adjusted depending on who I was replying too. Nothing wrong with that.

Except for the 25m mark which I claimed after was an exaggeration.. I've never backed off what I was saying.
 
Mainoldo said:
So basically if Di Maria goes we not getting this guy unless we pay Gareth Bale money. Unfortunate for him then... Hope the club look to a player like De Bruyne, cheaper and just as good. ;)
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Well, I think he can live with that given that if he would actually wanted to wear red in the coming season, he would do so. United bought in Memphis Depay a similar type of player (for roughly the amount of money Reus´ release clause was), who is as of now two levels below what Reus is capable of.

I don´t even want to picture the hype, which would go on in here if that actually would have happened. It would have overshadowed even the Schweinsteiger thread.

Your examples of Bale´s performances for Wales are also hilarious. By that logic Henrikh Mkhitaryan is on Ronaldo´s level given how much better he is than any Armenian football player and carried them to impressive results vs. for example Italy.

Reus in top shape was together with Müller seen as the by far most reliable and strongest offensive players of a top favourite to win the WC 2014. Standing out in a mighty football nation such as Wales is of course way more impressive as doing it for Europe´s strongest football nation in history.
 
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