Because Dortmund worked their way to the top very quickly/recently and you probably compare them to clubs that have been among the European elite for years/decades.
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Because Dortmund worked their way to the top very quickly/recently and you probably compare them to clubs that have been among the European elite for years/decades.
What about Southampton? Shaw signed a new deal the summer before he joined us. Even at that stage ourselves and Chelsea, his boyhood club, were heavily linked with him. He could easily have insisted that a release clause be included in the deal but there wasn't and Southampton sold him for top dollar a year later. It just always seems to be Dortmund that get caught out with a release clause below the players actual value. Just look in Spain at Athletic Bilbao. They can hardly be described as a top club yet they convinced the likes of Javi Martinez, Herrera and now Laporte to have a release clause in their contract at, or above, their actual value. If they, and other similar clubs can do it, then why can't Dortmund?
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure releases clauses are mandatory in many - if not every - club in Spain.
Not as far as I know. It's common practice but I don't remember any mention of one when we bought Di Maria.
Probably because Real set it ridiculously high or something. The situation was different with him though.
I also thought it was mandatory, it's just that clubs such as Bilbao and Atletico would never get their players to sign a contract which had such an unrealistic buy out.
Shaw is only one example if you want to argue on that level you might as well factor in players who did end up staying like for example Hummels.
Release clauses are mandatory in Spanish football afaik and some players eventually end up growing into fantasy clauses. When Götze signed his last contract with Dortmund he was hailed as (one of the) best talent(s) of his age group and Reus had a serious offer from Bayern, when he signed for Dortmund - I doubt that the same is true for the players you've listed and I don't know how you expect clubs to force players into certain contracts when they have better offers from bigger clubs at the same time.
Maybe that's because Real sets the clauses for their stars prohibitively high, so that they don't become relevant?
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They are - but they only apply to other Spanish clubs and the players, technically. When clubs like United or Chelsea activate them, they're essentially either 1) negotiating with the club to agree to accept a bid for that amount to avoid the hassle of doing... 2) what clubs like Bilbao apparently insist on, where the clubs seemingly loan the player the amount to pay his buyout clause with the club.
Graham Hunter or someone wrote an article about it after the first time we tried to sign Herrera.
While the Real Madrid first option stories have been rejected, I see the courtship of Reus by them has begun - http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/03/real-madrid-option-marco-reus-borussia-dortmund
If Real landing Reus could miraculously free up Cristiano, we should take it all day long.
If Real landing Reus could miraculously free up Cristiano, we should take it all day long.
It's more likely they'd sell Bale or Isco if they bought Reus IMO.
I doubt they'd sell Bale this soon. Isco or Benzema, sure.
There's a bigger chance that Gerrard will join Manchester United as Reus will stay in Dortmund
A new toy every year and an older toy has to go...
Reus is Barcelona fan - and in 2012 he decided not to go to Bayern because of the rival situation there. That's why I am not so sure if Real is an option for him. But I am not so sure if I would go to the EPL if I would be him either. He usually has a physical advantage and he might loose that in a league that is much more based on speed that the Bundesliga is.
Gotta say I am surprised, I thought Isco would have been more your kind of player than Bale mate.
Yeah, I really like Isco too. But I think he's more silk than steel in the sense that he possesses a lot less dynamism and direct penetration than Bale, and that something we sorely lack in the offensive unit right now, bar Di Maria and to an extent Rooney, especially out wide.
Bale would bring a level of dribbling ability, aerial prowess, set piece threat and goal-scoring output from wider areas we've miss since dare I say Ronaldo. He's experienced in the league too, which is another plus. I'd be perfectly comfortable with United putting in a record bid for him TBH. He'd be totally worth it and at 26 is about to enter absolute prime of his career IMO.
On the other hand I'm not sure where Isco would fit in, he could be a Silva coming from out wide or sometimes starting in central spaces but we might also find ourselves in another Mata-esque conundrum. I'm not a 100% sold on him in a United jersey, in the way that I'm sold on Bale.
If we plan to sign a winger (which we should), Reus should be top of that winger list. Even with his recent injury concerns, he's worth the gamble at that price. Excellent player.
Yeah, I really like Isco too. But I think he's more silk than steel in the sense that he possesses a lot less dynamism and direct penetration than Bale, and that something we sorely lack in the offensive unit right now, bar Di Maria and to an extent Rooney, especially out wide.
Bale would bring a level of dribbling ability, aerial prowess, set piece threat and goal-scoring output from wider areas we've miss since dare I say Ronaldo. He's experienced in the league too, which is another plus. I'd be perfectly comfortable with United putting in a record bid for him TBH. He'd be totally worth it and at 26 is about to enter absolute prime of his career IMO.
On the other hand I'm not sure where Isco would fit in, he could be a Silva coming from out wide or sometimes starting in central spaces but we might also find ourselves in another Mata-esque conundrum. I'm not a 100% sold on him in a United jersey, in the way that I'm sold on Bale.
Completely understand where you are coming from, Bale is a proven commodity in the PL and just about to hit his peak years, he'd add devastating attacking pace and a wide goal threat we don't currently have. It's just the idea of paying 4 times as much as Reus would cost Real that doesn't sit well, as I am not sure he's even better than Reus never mind £60M better.
As for Isco, I take your point and I admit I'm a mark for his style of play, his first touch and dribbling are a joy to watch. In fairness he has developed speed and upper body strength over the last year and is also tracking back consistently now, so I think he'd be fine in the PL.
Well yeah definitely, given the opportunity we should move heaven and earth in terms of wages and VIP treatment for signing Reus. But I just thought, in this particular case we were working under the assumption that he's moving to Madrid and we have our choice of either Bale or Isco..
I'd definitely take Isco! This is pure speculation though. They would never sell Bale.
Fair point. that was the context. If Real do buy Reus Bale actually seems the most logical to sell despite how odd that sounds. Isco is more versatile so it would be easier to slot him in, but selling a player you bought for a world record fee just 2 seasons ago seems too crazy even for Real, yet financially it could be a great bit of business for them if they recoup the Bale money and replace him with Reus for a fraction of the price, and that left over money would cover Pogba's buyout.
according to some media, he started taking spanish classes 3 weeks ago
...well, that doesn't hint against a move to FC Bayern yet...
...well, that doesn't hint against a move to FC Bayern yet...
according to some media, he started taking spanish classes 3 weeks ago
...well, that doesn't hint against a move to FC Bayern yet...
De Gea, Mata, Rojo, Falcao, Herrera, Di Maria etc. Doesn't hint against us either.
If he goes to Madrid, Woodward will be all over Bale.
And if it's Barcelona, we could try to sign Neymar or suarez.
Or Benzema.
About Reus, he is a very good player but if we miss on him, it won't be a big deal. I think that there is other alternatives who could be as good for us.
And if it's Barcelona, we could try to sign Neymar or suarez.
Or Benzema.
About Reus, he is a very good player but if we miss on him, it won't be a big deal. I think that there is other alternatives who could be as good for us.
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We could have a look at Jese Rodriguez.
I wouldn't put it past Madrid to sign reus and then sell bale to raise some funds, similar to selling di Maria and signing kroos.
I think it is worth trying for reus in January maybe Dortmund will be willing to take 5-10m more for him now instead of waiting until the summer but it would be a long shot.
I think it is worth trying for reus in January maybe Dortmund will be willing to take 5-10m more for him now instead of waiting until the summer but it would be a long shot.
Getting Reus for £25M and selling Bale for £85M would be great business for Real if they pull it off.
Bale plays on the left wing, so who would play on the right side?
For me, Reus is a must in order to complete our attacking scheme with someone who can play anywhere in an attacking role.
For me, Reus is a must in order to complete our attacking scheme with someone who can play anywhere in an attacking role.
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Who is going to pay £85m though? PSG? Will Gareth go there? Us? I'd rather we spent that combined sum on two world class ddefenders.
Gareth has settled in Madrid very well, I'd be amazed if they were to sell him so soon especially fora guy who in this last few months/year has suffered with injuries on a regular bases and could also be argued is he any better really?
Almost certainly us.
I think it's more likely that we sign Bale than Reus.
I get the feeling that he isnt coming to us(Bayern).
Just hope that he gets the prime years he deserves. And I like United(besides some of your fans) and if you get him all the luck to him and you.
Just 25! this season. He deserves some big titles.
I would make a bet right now; if he goes he will make a Suarez impact at his new club(the new team will be so great that he will get all the help of course).
Just hope that he gets the prime years he deserves. And I like United(besides some of your fans
) and if you get him all the luck to him and you.Just 25! this season. He deserves some big titles.
I would make a bet right now; if he goes he will make a Suarez impact at his new club(the new team will be so great that he will get all the help of course).
I don't see it myself, think we have more urgent matters than a wide man who will cost us upwards of £80m who also turned us down only a few summers ago for the second time in he's career.
There's probably not. We've got the money to spend, we're in need of quality out wide and he's a player we've shown interest in.
I'm not sure Madrid would get £80m but we'd be interested.
According to his agent we actually offered more than Madrid did when he went there so it's not that unlikely that we'd do it again. I Think that a wideman such as Bale should be a high priotity for us, almost as high as getting a new CB.
Madrid dont even need Reus, be a terrible move for his carear IMO
I would love Bale but I can't see Madrid getting rid.
Doesn't mean they won't sign Reus mind.
Doesn't mean they won't sign Reus mind.
Can't believe how foolish everyone is thinking hes off to Madrid or Barcelona.
He's learning spanish to communicate better with DDG/Mata/Herrera/Valencia and Rojo.
He's learning spanish to communicate better with DDG/Mata/Herrera/Valencia and Rojo.
Why - he already has 2 Supercup titles... I mean, poor Götze missed to get this cup in four finals he was in...
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