That's a very sensible suggestion. So UEFA will never do that.
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To be fair to Bayern I don't think they're any worse than any top team in any other big league in terms of 'hoovering up talent'. I think the only difference is that whilst in England or Spain there are a few teams who can spend huge on players, Bayern are unrivalled in Germany.
That's not a slur on their ethics or anything, it's just that they are the most successful German team by a margin and in the modern game that translates to them getting the best players. If it weren't for the outside investment in teams like City and Chelsea in the last 10 years I think United would be similarly dominant in our league, because United would be the sole pinnacle of an English players' career and an unrivalled pull in terms of prestige and cash to foreign players wanting to come into the league.
That's not a slur on their ethics or anything, it's just that they are the most successful German team by a margin and in the modern game that translates to them getting the best players. If it weren't for the outside investment in teams like City and Chelsea in the last 10 years I think United would be similarly dominant in our league, because United would be the sole pinnacle of an English players' career and an unrivalled pull in terms of prestige and cash to foreign players wanting to come into the league.
I never said they'd get more than every club below them. But sustained success means more fans which means more sponsors. In Germany this is true more than any other Country as ticket prices are so low, Commercial revenues have to pick up some of the slack. Also Germany is a Country of huge industry which means that all successful clubs have a great pool of potential Commercial partners (we've seen Dortmund's Commercial revenue rocket up after their recent success, for example).
The natural order has created a monopoly, which is not good for the game. In the business world there a regulations in place to stop monopolies growing too big and basically hoovering up their closest competition, which is particularly prevalent in Germany right now.
The Premier League has been a great League these past 10 years (evidenced by how much we have sold our TV rights for) since the introduction of outside investment. The only teams to have won the League since it's inception without outside investment were Arsenal and Man Utd. With Arsenal's stadium investment and our boom in Commercial revenue these past 10 years United would have won the title 10 times in a row (which could well happen in Germany over the next 7 years), which for me would make the League crap.
I'm curious - do you believe that Bayern winning the title by Xmas, whilst averaging a 2.2 goal margin over your competition these last few seasons has been entertaining? Maybe for 3-4 years it will be, but in another 2-3 years I bet you'll have a different tune.
I like the Bundesliga. I love the fact that the ticket prices are low and I love the fans and the atmosphere, as well as their sensible approach to safe standing and the closeness between the club and its fans.
The Premier League is clearly the most competitive, though. This to me makes it the most fascinating to watch. At the start of the season five clubs were less than 12/1 to win the League. That to me makes a great League and one which I believe others should be replicated. Obviously the PL has flaws: it's losing touch with the common man due to ludicrous ticket prices; the owners are out of touch with the fans; fans don't generally hold a stake in the club etcetc. The amount of money generated overseas by the Premier League suggests that it is giving Football fans exactly what they want, more than any other Country.
Your focus seems to be on Champions League revenue. Which again is your method of keeping Bayern above everyone else. If you split the CL revenue, you take away a huge chunk of Dortmund/Shalke's etc revenue, whilst only taking away a small % of Bayern's revenue. For Bayern this revenue is merely a cherry on the top of a huge cake; not something that the club relies on.
Maybe you'd be happy splitting your Commercial revenue with the other clubs?
I continued in the Bundesliga thread instead ...
Looks like he got injured again. 
Taken straight to the hospital according to the German press, hopefully it's nothing serious.
Taken straight to the hospital according to the German press, hopefully it's nothing serious.Poor guy. Hope it's not serious.
It looked awful
It looked awful
I don't want to watch it
are we talking a break? Over extension? Pull? Impact?That looks like a broken ankle to me.
Ouch looks like a broken ankle or maybe ligament damage. Either way it looks a long term injury.
It looked like a broken ankle to me, but maybe it isn't that bad, difficult to say from the footage. Klopp said in the press conference after the game that the ankle was quickly heavily swollen, Zorc said he's definitely out for the rest of the year.I don't want to watch it
They suspect a torn ligament and further ligament damage. So far I haven't heard anything about a broken ankle.
He can't catch a break.
http://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_n...aengeres-Aus-Verdacht-auf-Aussenbandriss.html
Exterior and syndesmosis ligament are mentioned as torn and damaged respectively.
He can't catch a break.
http://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_n...aengeres-Aus-Verdacht-auf-Aussenbandriss.html
Exterior and syndesmosis ligament are mentioned as torn and damaged respectively.
Looks very bad. Hopefully nothing serious.
He should really join us.....we're needing more injury-prone players 
This one has got nothing to do with being injury prone and everything with that horrible tackle. Anybody would've gotten hurt. Except Müller. His legs are too skinny to get hit.
His ankles aren't the same anymore. And maybe he should take more rest with this new injury now....he has come back too soon with every injury so far this year.
It's the first time he's injured his right ankle. In the past it was his left so I really don't see what the old injury has to do with it. As I said: It all comes down to one stupidly dangerous tackle.
Okay we'll see in the future.
Not a definite break from that clip, but possibly. Looks more like ligament damage, so hopefully it's 'only' 6 weeks. It's just not going for Dortmund this year. Champions league qual is gonna be real tough from here.
Just the latest on this - maybe some has already been told...
Sportbild tells that BVB told Marco Reus they'd up his pay to 8m EUR/year, give him a signing bonus for new deal without buyout clause. He said "no thanks.
Bayern told there weren't any talks with Reus and his agent. And his agent told that there have not been any talks with Bayern.
Sportbild tells that BVB told Marco Reus they'd up his pay to 8m EUR/year, give him a signing bonus for new deal without buyout clause. He said "no thanks.
Bayern told there weren't any talks with Reus and his agent. And his agent told that there have not been any talks with Bayern.
Surely he is talking to some clubs at this stage?
Is there a worse team around at keeping hold of players than Dortmund?
How do the let it come to this 3 years in a row?
How do the let it come to this 3 years in a row?
Would be a bargain at £30 million buy out but our best football and balance seems to be the midfield diamond, where would he play?
The last 2 games to me has been a back 4, a #6 and then Fellaini, with the other 4 playing as attackers with freedom to interchange positions, I think Reus could fit into that set-up.
It's been mostly out of their control though, at least they got a decent fee for Götze and they'll get something for Reus aswell. They haven't done a good enough job of replacing the players they've lost though and that's why they haven't been able to cement themselves as a top european club. But they can still get back i reckon, they've got a decent foundation if they can get their act together.
Anywhere in the front 3 or 4 positions, depending on the system.
I'd imagine Reus would lead us to playing more width
i find it funny that they think Reus just wants more money. They destroy their wage structure just to keep him. Then they give him a contract without a buyout clause. He can get more money at another club and without a buyout clause, it is an highly unattractive contract if you want to leave the club anytime soon. With Dortmund struggling, maybe without CL football next season and a bit discussion about Klopps future( although bullshit), now would be the best time to leave. If a player doesnt want to sign a contract extension, he wont sign one. It is not like Dortmund didnt try, like some people asking here how could it come to this. They are using Dortmund as a stepping stone to a big club. The only exception in their team seems to be Hummels, maybe that will change soon.
It's been completely in their control. They included a release clause in the contracts of Gotze and Reus. At least if they hadn't done that they could get top dollar for them. As it is they will get just over £50 for both Gotze and Reus. If they hadn't included a release clause they could probably have gotten that for each of them.
Reus - Rooney - Di Maria
Strootman - Herrera
Blind
Shaw - Rojo - Smalling - Rafael
De Gea
Strootman - Herrera
Blind
Shaw - Rojo - Smalling - Rafael
De Gea
I know Di Maria isn't at his best or consistent on the wing, but it's not really isolated out wide, more just the front 3 all interchanging as they did vs Arsenal, not a set formation. Get it done. Reus would compliment that side very well IMO.
Watzke said it himself that they had no choice but to include a clause in Reus' contract in order to sign him ahead of other clubs who were courting him, why would Dortmund want to include a release clause in their contracts? That doesn't make any sense. With Götze, Dortmund got close to 40 million euros which was more than a fair prize at the time IMO, and probably still would be. 25 million is definitely low for Reus but you can't force him to sign a new contract.
He's a bit injury prone, isn't he?
Didn't know that about Reus. As for Gotze they could have gotten £40 million for him I reckon. Only got around £32 million in the end and also had no control over where he ended up.
If I recall correctly, when Gotze signed a new contract in 2012, he insisted that a release clause be put in or he wouldn't sign.
Based on what though? Instead of signing that new contract in 2012 he could have decided to move on and they might've not seen even half of that fee. It's quite probable that Dortmund desperately wanted to keep him and that he (and his agent i presume) demanded a release-clause in exchange for signing a new long-term contract, considering the quite large sum Dortmund were probably quite content with that aswell.
I think it's been longer than 3 years in a row?
Sahin, Kagawa, Gotze, Lewandowski and now Reus.
Shhhh!
Comments like that always make my day. Yeah, those clauses are included because the club's management is too nice/incompetent (or what's your point??) and not because the position of the player is so good that he can force it during negotiations..
Well why is it that it's always Dortmund that seem to get caught out with them? I can't recall many top players at any other clubs that have these clauses in their contracts. At least in the case of Reus they could have insisted on a higher release clause. £30 million would have been very reasonable. His release clause is laughably low no matter what way you want to dress it up.
he's only had the 2 in my memory, and both were bad luck. The most recent was from a horrid challenge.
I think in Reus case Dortmund hoped to be able to buy out his buy out clause themselves with an improved contract which afaik they tried this summer but Reus wouldn't take the offer.
In Götze's case he most likely wouldn't have signed a new contract at all without the buyout clause as he already was thinking about the next step in his career I'm pretty sure and wanted a save way out if an opportunity came up. No doubt Dortmund had the same hopes for him that before other clubs really came in for him they would be able to convince the player to a new improved contract.
Whatever the real reasons are for those buyout clauses I think the only reason the players even insisted on them is because Dortmund isn't quite there yet among the top clubs in Europe. They can't compete in terms of wages and those players that have the talent to play for the best clubs in the world still only see them as a steping stone to one day play at one of the best clubs in the world.
Dortmund will have to rebuild their team time and time again and with rising financial stability in a decade or so they might be able to make the step up among the really big guns. They don't have the financial doping of City or PSG to back them up so they need to build up to this level slowly. Even if they have been among the top European teams in the past couple of years in terms of their football they aren't there yet financial and in terms of status among the players and won't be there for quite some time still I'm pretty sure.
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