I would prefer depay now. Buying from dortmund is a poisoned chalice because it is the formation that allows their players to perform well. Name me one player who has set the world alight after moving from dortmund?
Marco Reus
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I think Lewandowski is doing well at Bayern but your point is valid overall, however Reus had great form in the same type of role when he played for Mönchengladbach before Dortmund bought him.
Did you even follow Reus career at all? He was voted Bundesliga player of the year back in 2012, when he was a Borussia Mönchengladbach player. His qualities have nothing to do with Dortmunds system. He's also always played well in the Nationalteam for Germany.
Sahin was more injured than anything else at Madrid and Kagawa... well that's a whole other story.
Lahm, Alonso, Martinez, Alcantara, Bastian, Rode, Muller, Götze, Ribery, Robben, Bernat, Højbjerg, Gaudino, Shaqiri, Lewandowski, Pizzaro
Yup. Bayern need Reus.most of the players you've listed don't even share his position 
All im saying is it is a gamble. Would we buy the reus was was at borrusia Mönchengladbach, most probably not but we would be interested due to his time at dortmund where he has improved. Its just not the safest team to buy from imo. Considering we are okay for attacking options, i think depay would be the safest and cheapest.
If i remember well, he refused us and Munich for Dortmund, Ferguson was interested in him.
That's just a bunch of nonsense. Reus was already one of the most electric wingers in europe in 2011. Have you been following him at all before 2013/14?
Kagawa was played out of position and had to endure Moyes, Sahin was injured a lot. Who else failed? Götze is scoring at will at the moment, Lewandowski has been doing well, even Julian Schieber seems to flourish.
Reus is pure class and would do well in any team.
After a fairly medicore first season for Gotze, yeah. Lewandowski hasn't been doing as "well" as he should be doing; he is one of the best #9's in fotball. His post definitely has legs.
Depay over Reus?! Deary me.
Not really for me. Götze was ok in his first season, had to deal with injuries too and you don't sign a player for 1 season anyway, sometimes they just need a little bit time. Lewandowski is great so far. Kagawa just didn't work, but that's it for me. Sahin was never that great anyway, he had one outstanding season. I don't think he is brilliant for Dortmund since his return either. And a year with injuries and 2 different clubs in 2 different countries doesn't help you to settle in. Reus is a great player, the risk with him isn't higher than for other players of his calibre and he is of course a lower risk than a player from the Eredivisie.
Reus is a completely different player to Kagawa, he would do well in any system.
Thanks mate. Im not saying im hundred percent on this, but why would we gamble when we already have too many attacking players. Lvg knoes depay and will only buy him if he fits his system. Reus would mean that we have another starter in the first xi when rooney mata di maria falcao and rvp are all starters.
For me what hit the nail on the end was gotze, he is playing good football but his progression would have been higher at dortmund than what we have seen in the last 2 years. Guardiola played him everywhere and the only place he plays well is the same position klopp used him
Depay is at least two levels below Reus.
But why do we need someone two levels above depay? Do we not have enough attacking players?
??? Think you've got your timeline a bit wrong there, it's only his 2nd season at Bayern now and he's playing absolutely fantastic at the moment and is scoring more than ever before.
Depends how good he is at defending.
Forget the timeline but where does he play? Same position. I am not for once saying reus is not world class quality. However we cannot afford to have another player in the first xi who plays in one position only. It messes up any chance of rotation. You tell me how you would fit falcao di maria reus rooney januzaj mata van persie in 4 positions?
I only mentioned depay because he would not come here and start every game unless he deserved it, he would be on the same time scale as januzaj rather than competing with our current first xi
if you want to buy a squad player/talent, depay would be a reasonable target.
How has he done this season?
On Reus, given the price I'd happily sign him, definitely above Depay.
I don't care if you need him or not. Your comment about Reus being a poisened chalice and that he only performs well at Dortmund because of Klopp's system was complete nonsense. Using Götze and Lewandowski as examples that Dortmund players fail after they move to a different club looks pretty stupid as well if you followed Bayern this season or at least watched the game today.
So what lets go after ribery then because he scored a goal? I am not saying for one second reus would not be good here, but a gamble is a gamble and if you dont see it, its not my job to try convince you. Can someone tell me how you are going to fit reus in? Then i will stop =)
Reus won't join Bayern next season and if you think that Reus for 25m Euro is too big a gamble, then United should stop signing players full stop.
Probably true but he's also 5 years younger so they aren't comparable right now, it depends on what LvG is looking for, a starter or a player who can offer an option that isn't Ashley Young or Valencia when we want to protect Di Maria or Herrera or if we have to do without either for a period of time.
Or maybe you should stop playing fifa and actually try fit him in to a formation. We dont need wingers. Dortmund have a poor history of players succeeding after moves. Now you are convinced that gotze ans lewandowski are amazing in germany, lets realise maybe the ones who have not moved abroad and wont have the luxury to be stuck in one position have all failed. Therefore its a gamble, and gambles are meant to be taken. All i stated was that it was not nessecery and you are ready to throw me off a bridge. Relax.
If you dont want to sign another starter, Reus is not an option. The rest is bollocks. Reus for 25m€ is not a gamble.
Is this directed at me? As I never said Reus was a gamble.
I don't really get what your point is!? You came into this thread saying "I'd rather we signed Depay". Now you're saying United don't need wingers.
And as pointed out not all players moving away from Dortmund failed, and the ones who did had difficult circumstances. Götze has played in various positions for Bayern and has done well.
Reus at 25m is not a gamble at all, he's one of the best wingers in the world ffs. And he's also done well behind the striker whenever he's played there.
I think you are the one who needs to relax after reading that post from you.
Okay sure. I will relax. Thanks for your input. All i was trying to do is view reus in a different light. As someone said, no one has to agree with me but i have not just plucked it out of thin air.
Of course we need a winger. We have one good one and one emerging talent. The rest are shite hence fannying around with formations without wingers for the past few months.
Isnt that due to us having 3 strikers?
Of course not. We had 4 established strikers for the last few years and almost always played wingers in that time. Unfortunately our wingers all turned to crap.
But with van gaal we have had di maria and januxaj fit all season and only played them as wingers in our last game beacause rooney is banned and falcao might have needed a rest.
Exactly, my original point was we only have two. Going into a season playing a formation that uses wingers with only two realistic (and one of those a kid) options would be silly. Hence the decision to go with 5-3-2 which was quickly aborted and switched to the diamond. With a player like Reus in our ranks, LVG can start to play his favoured formations with wide-men. Reus can play in a 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 or whatever you want because he's world class.
Of course there's always some risk attached to any signing. However, Reus is as much a gamble as Bale or Hazard would be.
Okay fair point. All of this was not trying to argue any of this. It was just something I noticed and spoke about and people got defensive. I just feel like we are suddenly going to buy every top 10 player available? Could we not just help a youngster through.
People who don't want Reus need their head checking.
Where as expensive players like Kagawa and Mata didn't fit our "style", Reus is a fast runner who excels at dribbling and beating a man. He wouldn't need to adapt as much as the others would.
Where as expensive players like Kagawa and Mata didn't fit our "style", Reus is a fast runner who excels at dribbling and beating a man. He wouldn't need to adapt as much as the others would.
Reus to Bayern is as good as done. Wouldn't be surprised if player and club already have a paper with a signature on it.
Do you know that or do you believe that?
Yes. All of them! All two of them! Depending on how Götze and Lewandowski do this season the record for ex Dortmund players might actually improve to 50/50, but I guess that's still not enough.
Reus would be no more of a gamble than any other player in the world.
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