Marco Reus

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Am I the only one imagining Reus and Hazard on the same team? If Chelsea are to strengthen next season, he's the player.
He would certainly seem to tick all the Jose boxes for a wide attacker - quick, capable of switching wings, will score goals, and not shy when it comes to working hard for the team
I would love him here but at the price his buy out clause is rumoured to be we will be competing with all the top clubs if we want him
 
Due to his release clause, he can demand higher wages, similar to players on a Bosman. Do you think the buying club just saves money on the clause?

All the money saved in the fee will go to the player and his agent.

In a case like Lewandowski's it won't be all the money going to the player and agent, Bayern saved a lot my getting him on a free.
 
In a case like Lewandowski's it won't be all the money going to the player and agent, Bayern saved a lot my getting him on a free.
That's cos he pretty much only wanted to go to Bayern.
 
Financially, united can now outspend anyone in world football, what with the new sponsorship deals and FFP. If we want Reus, it's all going to come down to where he wants to go and what he wants to do with his career. I feel a resurgent united, with Van Gaal at the helm, can make a compelling pitch. The Spanish clubs can't outbid us on wages anymore, and their tax advantage has gone.

The alternative is that we sign Ronaldo instead which, although at 30, seems the less sensible option, I would actually prefer. Ronaldo is a once in a generation player. He's fanatical about his career, his body, his records. He personifies dedication and ambition. He will be a monster until he is 33 or 34, and I reckon still very good for a couple more years after that. I'd take him over Reus every day of the week. Even for the same price despite being 4 years older.
 
I don't see us moving to 4-3-3 as long as we have more than one world class striker but Reus could play the role Robben played in the front 2 for us if we bought him.
 
I don't see us moving to 4-3-3 as long as we have more than one world class striker but Reus could play the role Robben played in the front 2 for us if we bought him.

Januzaj could pass RVP sooner than we think, so if we had Reus (or Ronaldo) this would make a lot of sense:

---------Falcao/Rooney---
Reus------Mata/Rooney--Januzaj
-----Di Maria--------Herrera
-------------Blind----------

or if Falcao doesn't stay:

---------Rooney/RVP---
Reus------Mata/Rooney--Di Maria
------------Herrera--------
-------------Blind----------
 
Januzaj could pass RVP sooner than we think, so if we had Reus (or Ronaldo) this would make a lot of sense:

---------Falcao/Rooney---
Reus------Mata/Rooney--Januzaj
-----Di Maria--------Herrera
-------------Blind----------

or if Falcao doesn't stay:

---------Rooney/RVP---
Reus------Mata/Rooney--Di Maria
------------Herrera--------
-------------Blind----------

The problem with that first formation is we'd be back to 3 at the back as it's a 3-3-3-1. The other one might be a bit more viable but I think it would leave us short defensively in midfield and waste Di Maria. To me Di Maria as the left of the diamond is perfect as he has the defensive work and it allows him to play as a hybrid winger/AM.
 
---------Falcao/Rooney---
Reus------Mata/Rooney--Januzaj
-----Di Maria--------Herrera
-------------Blind----------

-

So an anchor man, 2 cm's, 2 wingers, a no.10 and a striker, means 3 at the back. Was that intentional? Otherwise you have to drop one of those positions. If not, you have Reus and Januzaj as wing backs. Suicide. Leaves shaw and Rafael in the cold.

Have to believe you just miscounted.

Reus in a front three with any two of Falcao, Rooney, RVP, Januzaj and Wilson, when service is coming from Di Maria and Herrera, would be hard to stop. Difficult to fit Mata in. Oh well.
 
Fair enough mate. The part about him scoring about 30 odd goals may have been a bit presumptuous. But Ronaldo in the latter stages of his career will mirror Giggs closely. He carries more bulk and is more muscly but he is naturally lean just like Giggs. He's also had the chance to observe Ryan on a regular basis till when the latter was about 35 so that should help too. Also even if Cristiano loses the mobility, his game in recent seasons is largely predicated on getting himself in the correct positions, detecting weak spots in the opposition defenses and using a well honed technique to place or shoot the ball. It's a subtle art and mentally he's evolved massively even from the player he was 2 years ago. These kind of things don't wither with age and that lends itself to the point I made about the 30 goal average per season. some player transition really well to advancing years. Might be wrong but that's just the way I feel.

Furthermore couldn't Reus be considered injury prone too ? He was sidelined through spells in Dortmund's 2013/ 2014 season, missed the World Cup and injured his ankle at the start of the current season. Also I don't necessarily concur on the long term part. Football is moving towards a stage where you'd ideally want instant success without worrying to much about what happens 5 or so years in the future. There's a huge volume of players that top clubs churn out every season.

If Ronaldo can give us 3-4 top draw seasons then that's good enough for me. It'd hard to project long term plans without factoring in the unforeseen events. Even if he performs for 3 seasons and we want a replacement, Manchester United makes enough money to move for someone like Draxler or Deulofeu or maybe Sterling whose contract expires in about 2 seasons. They will all be relatively young even then at 25, 24 and 24 years of age and about to enter their prime. Or maybe bring in a young talent through the academy of via the 2003 Ronaldo route to sit behind Ronnie for a bit and take center stage once he fades away. There would certainly be no dearth of quality options IMO.


I'm interested to know where this ridiculous idea comes from.
 
So an anchor man, 2 cm's, 2 wingers, a no.10 and a striker, means 3 at the back. Was that intentional? Otherwise you have to drop one of those positions. If not, you have Reus and Januzaj as wing backs. Suicide. Leaves shaw and Rafael in the cold.

Have to believe you just miscounted.

Reus in a front three with any two of Falcao, Rooney, RVP, Januzaj and Wilson, when service is coming from Di Maria and Herrera, would be hard to stop. Difficult to fit Mata in. Oh well.

Hah. I did. Just drop Mata/Rooney.

Having Reus and Januzaj as threats to attack from wide or centrally with Herrera/Rafael and DiMaria/Shaw also attacking wide and coming in would be really tough to deal with. The triangles and movement from:

----------Falcao/Rooney--------
---Reus----------------Januzaj---
------DiMaria-------Herrera----
-------------Blind----------------
Shaw----------------------Rafael-
----------CB-----CB--------------

would be dizzying.
 
I'm interested to know where this ridiculous idea comes from.

Fair enough. That might not happen but the idea in itself is not ridiculous.

This is your first season in the Champion's League since 2009/ 2010. That's 4 years worth of top tier European football and revenue and the added attraction you guys missed out on. You still have some debt which FSG is paying off itself in bits. But the thing is, they don't run a charity. They are businessmen primarily. One might be better than the other. But they all want their money's worth and some profit on top of that. Even with Henry lending a helping hand, you've accumulated losses in the last couple of seasons. The situation might improve and probably will but the expansion of Anfield will add significant financial impediments. This season will be really critical for you.

Call me deluded but putting aside the banter - really United's situation isn't that dire in comparison even if we stay out of the top 4. We have much much higher revenues that help cushion the blow a bit. It's $551 M vs $313 M going by last season's financials. That's a difference of almost $240M. Even if we factor in the lack of European football and similarly you include it, the divide is even higher because those figures don't take the Chevrolet and Adidas deals into consideration. So really it's closer to $300M. That's like night and day to be fair. Another couple of seasons out of Europe and you might even have to asset strip. It's a perfect storm with the implementation of FFP, your stadium expansion and a genuine chance that you might miss out on the Top 4 (fwiw that applies equally to either one of us, Liverpool or Arsenal - not just you lot).

But let's just say things go tits up for you on the European front. Sterling's current contract runs until 2017, that's abut 3 seasons away. Will he be willing to stick around if say United come calling in 2016 ? He's not even from Liverpool or an academy product and doesn't have deep roots at the club. And more importantly will you resist the opportunity to extract maximum value helping bolster your finances or let him walk for free 2017 in a show of pride just to prove a point like Dortmund did with Lewandowski ?

Of course in saying that, there is a chance that you secure European football each season and we miss out. That'll help you bridge the financial gulf over a period of time. Maybe you could afford to hand him massive wages and compete for the league title each season and keep him happy competing at the top end. But it could easily go the other way too.

Improbable and percentage based ? Maybe so. Ridiculous ? Definitely no. I don't wanna be mean but. Owen ? Gerrard almost ( and at the peak of your modern day prowess too) ? Suarez ? None of them were willing to commit. Why is it ridiculous to suggest that Sterling might not either ?
 
Fair enough. That might not happen but the idea in itself is not ridiculous.

This is your first season in the Champion's League since 2009/ 2010. That's 4 years worth of top tier European football and revenue and the added attraction you guys missed out on. You still have some debt which FSG is paying off itself in bits. But the thing is, they don't run a charity. They are businessmen primarily. One might be better than the other. But they all want their money's worth and some profit on top of that. Even with Henry lending a helping hand, you've accumulated losses in the last couple of seasons. The situation might improve and probably will but the expansion of Anfield will add significant financial impediments. This season will be really critical for you.

Call me deluded but putting aside the banter - really United's situation isn't that dire in comparison even if we stay out of the top 4. We have much much higher revenues that help cushion the blow a bit. It's $551 M vs $313 M going by last season's financials. That's a difference of almost $240M. Even if we factor in the lack of European football and similarly you include it, the divide is even higher because those figures don't take the Chevrolet and Adidas deals into consideration. So really it's closer to $300M. That's like night and day to be fair. Another couple of seasons out of Europe and you might even have to asset strip. It's a perfect storm with the implementation of FFP, your stadium expansion and a genuine chance that you might miss out on the Top 4 (fwiw that applies equally to either one of us, Liverpool or Arsenal - not just you lot).

But let's just say things go tits up for you on the European front. Sterling's current contract runs until 2017, that's abut 3 seasons away. Will he be willing to stick around if say United come calling in 2016 ? He's not even from Liverpool or an academy product and doesn't have deep roots at the club. And more importantly will you resist the opportunity to extract maximum value helping bolster your finances or let him walk for free 2017 in a show of pride just to prove a point like Dortmund did with Lewandowski ?

Of course in saying that, there is a chance that you secure European football each season and we miss out. That'll help you bridge the financial gulf over a period of time. Maybe you could afford to hand him massive wages and compete for the league title each season and keep him happy competing at the top end. But it could easily go the other way too.

Improbable and percentage based ? Maybe so. Ridiculous ? Definitely no. I don't wanna be mean but. Owen ? Gerrard almost ( and at the peak of your modern day prowess too) ? Suarez ? None of them were willing to commit. Why is it ridiculous to suggest that Sterling might not either ?

Rekt. Poor @BarneyLFC
 
Improbable and percentage based ? Maybe so. Ridiculous ? Definitely no. I don't wanna be mean but. Owen ? Gerrard almost ( and at the peak of your modern day prowess too) ? Suarez ? None of them were willing to commit. Why is it ridiculous to suggest that Sterling might not either ?

None of them went directly from Liverpool to United. Sterling might not commit, that's not ridiculous to suggest, but the idea that he'd join United directly from Liverpool is.
 
None of them went directly from Liverpool to United. Sterling might not commit, that's not ridiculous to suggest, but the idea that he'd join United directly from Liverpool is.

Ok point noted, historically I have the felt the same way too. There's been very little movement between the top English sides.

However there's been a seismic shift in recent seasons with players swapping between the top 4-5 clubs on a rather regular basis. Who'd have bet on Van Persie or Mata joining United, or Welbeck joining Arsenal, or the whole horde of Arsenal players moving to City. Now the circumstances might be different with Sterling, yes it's United and Liverpool the biggest rivals of all - but if the player is adamant upon joining a particular club then there's very little the seller club can do to dissuade him. Who knows what Sterling might want in the next couple of seasons. Ideally you'd want to push him towards Spain but what if he's unwilling to uproot his whole family ?

Under FFP, United and maybe Chelsea would be the only clubs capable of matching his £50-60 million pricetag. If he was a £10-15 million player then there'd be plenty of options.
 
None of them went directly from Liverpool to United. Sterling might not commit, that's not ridiculous to suggest, but the idea that he'd join United directly from Liverpool is.

Very, very unlikely and the only way it would happen is if he ran his contract down and joined us on a free. That said, I don't think he will join us as I don't see his improvement arc continuing as it has. I think he'll plateau soon before regressing from 24 onwards. It's what exciting, attacking English Talent does.
 
Poor BVB supporters. Since Guardiola took over Bayern Munich the whole league has gotten so boring. No other team is in the same class as them.
 
He's just trolling again, didn't he start putting out stories that the buy out clause in Reus' Contract was only £25m last season.

I believe Reus turned Bayern down when he signed for Dortmund, hopefully he does it again.
 
Difficult to see how he'd fit in at either of Real/Barca, given their current options. Bayern is presumably the most likely destination, with the Premier League (top 4 or 5 clubs would queue up for him) a distant 2nd. This of course, assuming he actually leaves!
 
Can't see him in the first XI at Real, could perhaps see him at Barca in a front four of Rues, Messi, Saurez and Neymar. Did he not say he won't go Bayern?
 
Can't see him in the first XI at Real, could perhaps see him at Barca in a front four of Rues, Messi, Saurez and Neymar. Did he not say he won't go Bayern?

Barcelona have the transfer ban, he won't end up there. I'm really hoping he doesn't join Bayern, and if he leaves Dortmund have to go all out to get Firmino.
 
I actually think Arsenal have £30m or so set aside for either Reus or Draxler.

I can't see the point in Arsenal buying him when they have 4 wide forwards to begin with and Ozil and Welbeck can be played there as well. Arsenal need a top holding CM and striker if they want to go from top 4 contenders to genuine title contenders IMO, not more of the same type of player they already have.
 
Can't see him in the first XI at Real, could perhaps see him at Barca in a front four of Rues, Messi, Saurez and Neymar. Did he not say he won't go Bayern?

I can see it if Ronaldo plays as a Striker.
Imagine

Ronaldo
Reus......Rodriguez......Bale​

With Benzema, Isco and Jesse as back up, deadly.
 
Poor BVB supporters. Since Guardiola took over Bayern Munich the whole league has gotten so boring. No other team is in the same class as them.

The league is exciting as ever. Bayern always had very dominant spells. United did win the PL 3 times in a row.
Was the rest of the league boring then?
Never got that argument.
You love good football and good stories. You still get that behind first place with clubs playing great football and building themselves up(Dortmund the last years, maybe Gladbach,Hoffenheim now).
 
Rummenigge is a disgrace

The player has a valid release clause and every club in Europe will be considering to offer Marco Reus a contract. I don't see what's particularly disgraceful about stating that Bayern will do the same but nothing has been decided..
 
The player has a valid release clause and every club in Europe will be considering to offer Marco Reus a contract. I don't see what's particularly disgraceful about stating that Bayern will do the same but nothing has been decided..

Saying it in public is just wrong though. It's clearly a tactic to try to unsettling him and/or Dortmund. It's just not how a big club should conduct themselves. Like you said every club in Europe will want to buy Reus yet only Bayern are publicly stating this.
 
Doubt it means much really. If Bayern want Reus they could use any number of German NT players as well as Gotze and Lewandowski to help convince to him join behind the scenes.
 
fecking hate to say it but he could end up at city/chelsea.


Bottom-line, Bayern München and Chelsea can probably offer the best package of silverware and salary as long as Real Madrid doesn't enter the race, which seems unlikely with James Rodriguez, Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo.
 
The player has a valid release clause and every club in Europe will be considering to offer Marco Reus a contract. I don't see what's particularly disgraceful about stating that Bayern will do the same but nothing has been decided..
Oh come on you know what i mean. Rummenigge talks about Reus in every 2nd interview.

A) Okay Reus has a release clause in his contract but you don't talk about that in the public*

B) It isn't fair towards Reus

C) Bayern Munich would go crazy if Dortmund or any other club in the world would do the same with one of their players

*I don't know why Rummenigge does that...maybe because of his "war" with Watzke or he thinks he must replace Hoeness "spielchen"
 
Oh come on you know what i mean. Rummenigge talks about Reus in every 2nd interview.

A) Okay Reus has a release clause in his contract but you don't talk about that in the public*

B) It isn't fair towards Reus

C) Bayern Munich would go crazy if Dortmund or any other club in the world would do the same with one of their players

*I don't know why Rummenigge does that...maybe because of his "war" with Watzke or he thinks he must replace Hoeness "spielchen"


A) Everybody in Germany is talking about the release clause of Marco Reus, that was the case before and after Rummenigge brought up the topic during Bayern's US trip. Sure, the talk about the exact numbers of his clause was out of line, but that's not the issue here.

B) A player who has a release clause in his contract, who is a crucial key-player to his team and has refused to renew with his current employer after multiple attempts by officials and is using the 'evade a definite answer 101' in every interview' has to live with those circumstances. It is entirely in the player's power to shut Rummenigge and everybody else up.

C) That's exactly the reason why Bayern München doesn't do exit clauses. Furthermore we just went through months of agent and contract negotiation bullshit with weekly rumours in the yellow press regarding the transfer of Toni Kroos. We were not happy about the fact that the likes of United, Real and Barca pursued our player aggressively and contacted him long before Fifa rules allow it, but we showed dignity and weren't whiny.

Let's keep in mind that Rummenigge was asked a direct question regarding a possible transfer of Marco Reus to Bayern München. He did not bring up the issue by himself and merely replied that the contract clause is known and that there has been no examination of a possible transfer at this moment. Everybody knew for sure and expected Bayern to at least consider the possibility of a Marco Reus transfer, even Dortmund's CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke.

I completley agree that Rummenigge was out of line earlier when he discussed the details of the player's release clause, but this time he's just stating the blatantly obvious.
 
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