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That's why I would rather Reus. Ronaldo is an incredible player but Reus, while not at his level, is world class too. I'm not sure how long years Ronaldo has at the top left in him whereas Reus is just coming into his prime so we will be getting longer out of him.

Ronaldo will be scoring heavily (both on and off the field) for many-years to come. I can see him still hitting 20+ goals until he's 34/35, he just has that killer instinct and technique to match.
 
That's why I would rather Reus. Ronaldo is an incredible player but Reus, while not at his level, is world class too. I'm not sure how long years Ronaldo has at the top left in him whereas Reus is just coming into his prime so we will be getting longer out of him.

To be fair given the physical shape Ronaldo's in, he could easily be a 30+ goals per season player till age 35. Reus in an undeniably gifted, world class player but I'm not sure he could replicate Ronnie's on-field exploits. On top form Reus could hover around the 20 mark but that just might be his ceiling. Ronaldo's such a greater threat not just from open play but set pieces aswell - something we've clearly lacked in recent years.

There's also something to be noted about ex-Dortmund players struggling from reproduce the ability/ production they previously displayed in Klopp's system and that is rather concerning. Out there Reus is almost the top dog but will he be the same alongside Rooney, Mata, Falcao, van Persie, Di Maria ? Wouldn't his numbers nosedive a bit ? Ronaldo in comparison would instantly command respect from those player going by his past record of being the Alpha even alongside some really top class footballers.

Off the field signing Ronaldo would have incredible ramifications too. He is an iconic cult figure among the Old Trafford faithful. He's a unique kind of player that could single-handedly reinvigorate the support and galvanize the club by his sheer presence. Not to mention the panic signing one of the 2 the best if not the outright best player in the world would create in the opposition's consciousness.

Would be like signing a 30 year old Keane or Scholes during our barren midfield era. If we have no chance of signing Ronaldo the it's OK. Reus would be the #1 choice of preference beyond him. But in a straight 1v1 head to head it's a non-brainer IMO.
 
He's off to Real i reckon. They don't even need him but it's Real, you know their logic.
 
He's off to Real i reckon. They don't even need him but it's Real, you know their logic.

If he goes to Real we get Ronaldo and if he doesn't go to Madrid he comes here, a massive win/win situation.
 
To be fair given the physical shape Ronaldo's in, he could easily be a 30+ goals per season player till age 35. Reus in an undeniably gifted, world class player but I'm not sure he could replicate Ronnie's on-field exploits. On top form Reus could hover around the 20 mark but that just might be his ceiling. Ronaldo's such a greater threat not just from open play but set pieces aswell - something we've clearly lacked in recent years.

There's also something to be noted about ex-Dortmund players struggling from reproduce the ability/ production they previously displayed in Klopp's system and that is rather concerning. Out there Reus is almost the top dog but will he be the same alongside Rooney, Mata, Falcao, van Persie, Di Maria ? Wouldn't his numbers nosedive a bit ? Ronaldo in comparison would instantly command respect from those player going by his past record of being the Alpha even alongside some really top class footballers.

Off the field signing Ronaldo would have incredible ramifications too. He is an iconic cult figure among the Old Trafford faithful. He's a unique kind of player that could single-handedly reinvigorate the support and galvanize the club by his sheer presence. Not to mention the panic signing one of the 2 the best if not the outright best player in the world would create in the opposition's consciousness.

Would be like signing a 30 year old Keane or Scholes during our barren midfield era. If we have no chance of signing Ronaldo the it's OK. Reus would be the #1 choice of preference beyond him. But in a straight 1v1 head to head it's a non-brainer IMO.

Great post! I think another factor is that we also know for sure Ronaldo can hack the physicality here, he is a big powerful athlete and has done it before, now his movement is smarter and he takes less hits as he dribbles less so it should be even less of an issue. I am not saying Reus couldn't cut it in the PL but the physical nature of the league can't be underestimated either.

Since we are in full on speculation mode here my preference would be to bring Ronaldo back and buy Memphis who is young enough to grow into being Ronaldo's successor.
 
To be fair given the physical shape Ronaldo's in, he could easily be a 30+ goals per season player till age 35. Reus in an undeniably gifted, world class player but I'm not sure he could replicate Ronnie's on-field exploits. On top form Reus could hover around the 20 mark but that just might be his ceiling. Ronaldo's such a greater threat not just from open play but set pieces aswell - something we've clearly lacked in recent years.

There's also something to be noted about ex-Dortmund players struggling from reproduce the ability/ production they previously displayed in Klopp's system and that is rather concerning. Out there Reus is almost the top dog but will he be the same alongside Rooney, Mata, Falcao, van Persie, Di Maria ? Wouldn't his numbers nosedive a bit ? Ronaldo in comparison would instantly command respect from those player going by his past record of being the Alpha even alongside some really top class footballers.

Off the field signing Ronaldo would have incredible ramifications too. He is an iconic cult figure among the Old Trafford faithful. He's a unique kind of player that could single-handedly reinvigorate the support and galvanize the club by his sheer presence. Not to mention the panic signing one of the 2 the best if not the outright best player in the world would create in the opposition's consciousness.

Would be like signing a 30 year old Keane or Scholes during our barren midfield era. If we have no chance of signing Ronaldo the it's OK. Reus would be the #1 choice of preference beyond him. But in a straight 1v1 head to head it's a non-brainer IMO.

35? No way he will still be so prolific at that age. Yes he looks after himself but there are some concerns about his knee. Who knows how that will affect his game in the coming years.

Reus isn't just about goals. He also contributes plenty of assists. I could see him getting 15+ goals and assists most seasons. Given his age we will get more benefit out of him in the long run.
 
35? No way he will still be so prolific at that age. Yes he looks after himself but there are some concerns about his knee. Who knows how that will affect his game in the coming years.

Reus isn't just about goals. He also contributes plenty of assists. I could see him getting 15+ goals and assists most seasons. Given his age we will get more benefit out of him in the long run.

Fair enough mate. The part about him scoring about 30 odd goals may have been a bit presumptuous. But Ronaldo in the latter stages of his career will mirror Giggs closely. He carries more bulk and is more muscly but he is naturally lean just like Giggs. He's also had the chance to observe Ryan on a regular basis till when the latter was about 35 so that should help too. Also even if Cristiano loses the mobility, his game in recent seasons is largely predicated on getting himself in the correct positions, detecting weak spots in the opposition defenses and using a well honed technique to place or shoot the ball. It's a subtle art and mentally he's evolved massively even from the player he was 2 years ago. These kind of things don't wither with age and that lends itself to the point I made about the 30 goal average per season. some player transition really well to advancing years. Might be wrong but that's just the way I feel.

Furthermore couldn't Reus be considered injury prone too ? He was sidelined through spells in Dortmund's 2013/ 2014 season, missed the World Cup and injured his ankle at the start of the current season. Also I don't necessarily concur on the long term part. Football is moving towards a stage where you'd ideally want instant success without worrying to much about what happens 5 or so years in the future. There's a huge volume of players that top clubs churn out every season.

If Ronaldo can give us 3-4 top draw seasons then that's good enough for me. It'd hard to project long term plans without factoring in the unforeseen events. Even if he performs for 3 seasons and we want a replacement, Manchester United makes enough money to move for someone like Draxler or Deulofeu or maybe Sterling whose contract expires in about 2 seasons. They will all be relatively young even then at 25, 24 and 24 years of age and about to enter their prime. Or maybe bring in a young talent through the academy of via the 2003 Ronaldo route to sit behind Ronnie for a bit and take center stage once he fades away. There would certainly be no dearth of quality options IMO.
 
He will go to Bayern. BvB always bend over for those cnuts

Yeah, there was some serious bending going on when we kept Lewandowski until his contract ran out instead of selling him one year earlier to them or when Götze triggered his release clause, erasing any influence we had on the decision where he would go.

These things might be hard to understand for supporters of a club, which just threw 200+ Mil. € in a matter of a year at their own home made problems, but the vast majority of the clubs have to deal with said things.
 
He'll have his pick. Every club will be in for him, hard to say where he'll go. If he goes to Madrid though, Ronnie or Bale must surely be off.
 
If he goes to Real we get Ronaldo and if he doesn't go to Madrid he comes here, a massive win/win situation.

Or they'll just play:

Reus-Ronaldo-Bale
-------James------
---Modric-Kroos---

They look like they might play a fair amount of 4-4-2 sort of football with Ronaldo and Bale up front this year, so they could add Reus for width and just let all 3 of them run around. Benzema already spends a fair amount of time trying to get wide to open up space, which Reus would do better.

But yeah, signing either Reus or Ronaldo would be phenomenal for us. We need some width and pace in the attack instead of all these central types.
 
Yeah, there was some serious bending going on when we kept Lewandowski until his contract ran out instead of selling him one year earlier to them or when Götze triggered his release clause, erasing any influence we had on the decision where he would go.

These things might be hard to understand for supporters of a club, which just threw 200+ Mil. € in a matter of a year at their own home made problems, but the vast majority of the clubs have to deal with said things.

#rekt
 

We had it before. Reus ain't the player for a ball possession team - he perfectly fits into a team that works with fast breaks, that is where he thrives. His strength is that - and set pieces. He is not really the technical wonderkind or so good in setting other players up as most of his assists come from set pieces not of open play.

Why not Bayern? Because of the system, because of his agent, because of the story till now.

Bayern's behaviour in that story just tells that they are either not in for him or do not have a chance to get him. Rummenigge does just not speak about other players if it is a future Bayern player - he only does that if he wants to pick a little on Watzke's nerves... Bayern would have been absolutely quiet...
 
To be fair given the physical shape Ronaldo's in, he could easily be a 30+ goals per season player till age 35. Reus in an undeniably gifted, world class player but I'm not sure he could replicate Ronnie's on-field exploits. On top form Reus could hover around the 20 mark but that just might be his ceiling. Ronaldo's such a greater threat not just from open play but set pieces aswell - something we've clearly lacked in recent years.

There's also something to be noted about ex-Dortmund players struggling from reproduce the ability/ production they previously displayed in Klopp's system and that is rather concerning. Out there Reus is almost the top dog but will he be the same alongside Rooney, Mata, Falcao, van Persie, Di Maria ? Wouldn't his numbers nosedive a bit ? Ronaldo in comparison would instantly command respect from those player going by his past record of being the Alpha even alongside some really top class footballers.

Off the field signing Ronaldo would have incredible ramifications too. He is an iconic cult figure among the Old Trafford faithful. He's a unique kind of player that could single-handedly reinvigorate the support and galvanize the club by his sheer presence. Not to mention the panic signing one of the 2 the best if not the outright best player in the world would create in the opposition's consciousness.

Would be like signing a 30 year old Keane or Scholes during our barren midfield era. If we have no chance of signing Ronaldo the it's OK. Reus would be the #1 choice of preference beyond him. But in a straight 1v1 head to head it's a non-brainer IMO.

Greatly summed up agree 100%
 
Where would Real play him? Unless Ronaldo leaves I don't see him fitting in to their side.

Bale, Isco, Ronaldo, Modric and Rodriguez are more than enough options.
Since when did Perez sign players based on needs?
 
Yeah, there was some serious bending going on when we kept Lewandowski until his contract ran out instead of selling him one year earlier to them or when Götze triggered his release clause, erasing any influence we had on the decision where he would go.

These things might be hard to understand for supporters of a club, which just threw 200+ Mil. € in a matter of a year at their own home made problems, but the vast majority of the clubs have to deal with said things.
Touchy

(Probably rightly so)
 
Yeah, there was some serious bending going on when we kept Lewandowski until his contract ran out instead of selling him one year earlier to them or when Götze triggered his release clause, erasing any influence we had on the decision where he would go.

These things might be hard to understand for supporters of a club, which just threw 200+ Mil. € in a matter of a year at their own home made problems, but the vast majority of the clubs have to deal with said things.

Should have sold Lewandowski the previous season. Do fecking something that stops strengthening your biggest rivals
 
Should have sold Lewandowski the previous season. Do fecking something that stops strengthening your biggest rivals

Lewa wanted only the Bayern move, no other clubs had a chance. So Dortmund didn't have any choice. They could sell him to Bayern in the same summer like Götze, which would look really bad or keep him, what they did in the end.
 
Should have sold Lewandowski the previous season. Do fecking something that stops strengthening your biggest rivals

Don't be daft. Lewandwoski was already set on a Bayern move 1 1/2 years before his contract was up. He would either go to Bayern on the amount of money they would be willing to give to Dortmund or run down his contract and then go to Bayern, what he did in the end. If they player would have been open to such a move I'm sure Dortmund would have preferred to sell to Real or someone else outside the Bundesliga but he wasn't so there wasn't much they could do about it no idea why you would suggest otherwise.
 
Should have sold Lewandowski the previous season. Do fecking something that stops strengthening your biggest rivals

We had offers by Real and Chelsea lined up, but every one and their mother knew by January 2013 that Lewandowski was Bayern bound. Turns out that the messiah of the redcafe was wrong and that the transfer market is still not one for slavery.
 
Who says he wants such wages? Sanchez, Ozil were of similar class at there clubs but yet they earn under 200k.
Due to his release clause, he can demand higher wages, similar to players on a Bosman. Do you think the buying club just saves money on the clause?

All the money saved in the fee will go to the player and his agent.
 
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