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Load of shit. Bayern are absolutely flush with cash and are actually ahead of us in revenues for the year just gone, though in a season or two with the new sponsorship and TV deals we will be back in front.
Point is, they will compete with anyone on wages if they wish.
Arsenal is now a realistic destination, no doubt. Signed a few big players, have some exciting youngsters who are experienced and delivering. They are in London (massive advantage, this cannot be questioned IMO). They are financially very strong now and have lots of Germans. Maybe not favourites, but definitely a contender.
No one will be a contender if Barca or Real come in, except Bayern possibly. Best case scenario is Barca stay banned for the window, Rodriguez is a success at Real and there is no room (they still might go for him though). He decided he doesn't want Bayern out of some sort of loyalty to BVB or whatever.
Then, and only then, will the PL big boys (Chelsea, City, Arse, United) be in contention.
Very nice stats. I still aint itching for him though. He a good player alright.
If Reus isn't worth itching for, I'm not sure who is. He is in that bracket of players just under Messi and Ronaldo. He would instantly be one of our top 3 players (along with RvP and Mata, imo).
How often do you watch him? Literally any one who has seen him a decent amount of times can tell he's an amazing player, one of the best attacking players around.
The one list I found was of early 2013; Bayern 130, City 141 and Real 148 million in wages. Was a top 10 list of every sport club. No United in there. Kroos wanted the highest wage level. We are talking 10 to 12 million here. Götze and Lewa are getting that money and add to the mentioned 130(minus 5 or so of Kroos if we count those 3).
The club didnt see him as important. End of story.
Manchester United revenue for 2012/13: 434 Bayern 432. And yes. You get better TV money now but we had the 110 million deal with Allianz this season. That deal ended the stadium debt also. We are de facto debt free. United arent really I believe.
I meant that no club has more money in itself. What City and so on get from owners doesnt count here. FFP is here also. Party time is (somewhat) over.We had an equity of 287 last year. That will go up this year.
Yeah. I love my Bayern and my country. And I praise them when they earned it. Big deal. Some here...
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Just curious. Who makes you itchy?
I've always seen him as just another good Dortmund player excelling with Klopp's genius. A clear difference maker in any team, I don't know.
I've seen enough to witness him not celebrating scoring agaisnt Mochengladbach (the team he used to play for before moving to Dortmund). So I know he a classy kid not to add further tension to the derby.
The bookies don't seem to think so, United are a clear 3rd favourite behind City and Chelsea and ahead of Arsenal and Liverpool.
How many top DM and strikers are going around waiting to be signed?
Real can possibly play him in a false 9 or move Ronaldo upfront, but who exactly does he replace at Barca?
Him going to Barca is even less realistic than going to Real.
Errr
1. 2014 list. On an average you guys pay less than $ 2.5k extra per week.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...lobal-pay-table-chelsea-barcelona-real-madrid
2. 2014 revenue listing :
Revenue: $551 M vs $561 M
But the key difference is once United return to Europe next season.
1. Already from the 2014/2015 season onwards United will get $42 m more in shirt sponsorship from Chevrolet who inked a world record $560m deal over 7 years. That's $80 million per season, almost twice the next highest deal.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/st...ceive-559-million-chevrolet-shirt-sponsorship
By comparison your shirt deal with T Mobile is worth $37.4M per season.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/.../Marketing-and-Sponsorship/Bayern-Munich.aspx
2. From the 2015/ 2016 season United's kit deal with Adidas comes into effect.
http://nypost.com/2014/07/14/adidas-inks-1-3b-jersey-deal-with-manchester-united/
The new deal is worth $90 m more per season and at $130 m per season almost three times Real's deal and four times Bayern's deal which is worth around $ 36 m per season.
http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/adidas_and_bayern_munich_renew_kit_deal_for_eight_years/
If you add the Chevrolet and Adidas deals that's an increase of $ 132 m per year.
3. There is also a yearly increase in Premier League rights in SKy and BT's deal worth $ 4.8 billion over 3 seasons from 2013/ 2014 and BT's new $ 1.4 billion deal which we will be a part of the next time we qualify for the Champion's League (2015/ 2016 estimation).
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-18430036
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/24879138
4. United's debt is of no concern. The annual payments are just $ 30 m per season. Even with that we will increase the revenue by over $ 100 m per season from the Adidas and Chevrolet deals and approx $ 50 m season from the new TV deals.
I can't even fathom how Bayern will compete with that. You make the point about Allianz making a one time payment of $ 140 m but it's not charity. They will get 8.3 % shares in Bayern. Well United could do the same. And 8.3 % of United's shares would be worth around $ 235 m.
There's no way for Bayern to compete with United in the future. We will be around Real level with $ 700 m+ revenues. Bayern doesn't have more money by itself.
What's the point of arguing who's the richer club between us and Bayern? both clubs are extremely wealth and with Bayern's current success you cant really see that changing any time soon.
He's possibly right, maybe not in the future as you proved with our post, but in the present its possible that its true. A bit pointless anyways as both clubs can pay the wages the want an compete with anyone.
Fine margins.
Errr
1. 2014 list. On an average you guys pay less than $ 2.5k extra per week.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...lobal-pay-table-chelsea-barcelona-real-madrid
2. 2014 revenue listing :
Revenue: $551 M vs $561 M
But the key difference is once United return to Europe next season.
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Dont really get the "Errr". I talked about present time. And I was right with my points.
No one cant deny that United is making big money and will add to that in the next years. BUT you cant say either that Bayern will have no chance against United then.
The German TV money is growing, the 25 to 30 million that the stadium makes every year are free now due to no stadium debts(were used to pay them), we have the 110 million of the Allianz deal and so on. We could sell more stock of the club and if United gets such sponsor deals we can too. You also have the situation that we are the promised land for the big German talents. We can buy them young and cheap, develope them and sometimes we cash in (Kroos).
The TV money in England is also a double-edged sword. The money you have to invest in a good PL player is crazy. The effect gets lost quite a bit.
BUT the most important thing is that your owners want to make money. Do you really think all of that goes into your team. No chance.
Im sorry but you do a fine smug talk here. Bayern is the biggest club of the biggest and richest country of europe (perhabs de facto(you know that word Invictus? I know that others are bigger, but in fact we could be th biggest because we have less debt and so on and several spots is a big deal in a GDP list
) the world). We are Bayern. Trust me; we can and will compete with any club around.I respect United. You should learn to respect other giants like Bayern.
P.S. Yeah. United are soo big around the world. And the club, who was in 4 of the last 5 CL semis isnt. Yeah, how funny.
But this is a thread about Reus. Back to that.
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Arsenal is now a realistic destination, no doubt. Signed a few big players, have some exciting youngsters who are experienced and delivering. They are in London (massive advantage, this cannot be questioned IMO). They are financially very strong now and have lots of Germans. Maybe not favourites, but definitely a contender.
No one will be a contender if Barca or Real come in, except Bayern possibly. Best case scenario is Barca stay banned for the window, Rodriguez is a success at Real and there is no room (they still might go for him though). He decided he doesn't want Bayern out of some sort of loyalty to BVB or whatever.
Then, and only then, will the PL big boys (Chelsea, City, Arse, United) be in contention.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you completely.
No one will be a contender if Barca or Real come in, except Bayern possibly. Best case scenario is Barca stay banned for the window, Rodriguez is a success at Real and there is no room (they still might go for him though). He decided he doesn't want Bayern out of some sort of loyalty to BVB or whatever.
Then, and only then, will the PL big boys (Chelsea, City, Arse, United) be in contention.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you completely.
1. But more to the point, Reus will likely move next season. So the present time argument will not work then.
2. Bayern will genuinely have no chance if it purely boils down to money. None at all. The gulf in revenues will soon be immense.
3. So can United being a publicly listed company so it's really a big advantage TBF.
4. I really doubt that. A vast portion of Bayern's money and sponsorship deals comes from within Germany. In comparison United has a world-wide appeal. That allows United to tap into sponsors in a way that Bayern can't. Why did Chevrolet sponsor United ? To tap into the Asian market where United is by far the most popular club. Ditto in the USA (the biggest untapped football market) where United are the most widely supported club compared to Bayern's insular support model.
5. They want to make money but they do realize that to do so United have you spend. Fergie time is over, they will now have to even overpay for targets and I doubt it will be a factor when sponrsors have explicitly guided otherwise.
6. How is it smug ? You're the one belittling United at Bayern's expense with almost every other post. Here you made the point about being the richest when it simply isn't true. You were even scoffing at Januzaj in his thread and how he was overrated by United fans and "English media".
7. Firstly that statement is a bit factually wrong. It's not in the richest country in the world by either gross GDP or PP. Also it's only a couple of spots above UK. Then you consider that United is the most supported club in USA, Asia, Australia, Canada etc and I'm not sure there is great credence in that argument because we can tap into a much much larger support base. You need to look no further than the Adidas deal for a proof of that.
8. No you don't. As I said before every second post is either a WUM to get a rise out of United supporters or subtle digs at our club. Contrary to that I do respect Bayern. Go check my post history if there's any doubt. This is the first time I've voiced an opinion against Bayern (purely due to association).
9. Ok. Back to Reus.
No player at Bayern is on Rooney or RVP wages nevermind Messi or Ronaldo so no they can't compete with anyone, they have a clear structure at the club and bringing in someone like Reus and putting him on 300k+ would have half of the dressing room kicking the executives door down looking for increases.
It's so cute how the Scouse are convinced he's going to sign for them.
Mentalists.
Mentalists.
The club certainly thought he was important of they wouldn't have offered him multiple contracts, he's a world class player and the truth is the Bayern hierarchy obviously felt Kroos was mainly posturing over his deal and wouldn't actually follow through with a move. Burnley will earn more than Bayern this season with the new TV deal in place that's how big it is, United will absolutely blow them out of the water with the Chevrolet sponsorship and incoming Adidas money on top of it. If it was just a question of money no chance Bayern could outspend us, unfortunately for us we have leeching parasite owners who hold us back in many respects.
It's a downwards step in every way
Is someone seriously that retarded to think Germany are the most rich and powerful country in the world?
Christ on a bike. Yeah sure, Germany has more economic variables compared to Britain but it's influence on the global stage is non existent. Germany has no individual diplomatic ties and presences outside Europe that is of substance. Germany has to rely on the EU. Germany has a weaker army, navy and air force compared to Britain and up until recently there were thousands upon thousands of foreign troops stationed in Germany. Most powerful nation indeed.
Christ on a bike. Yeah sure, Germany has more economic variables compared to Britain but it's influence on the global stage is non existent. Germany has no individual diplomatic ties and presences outside Europe that is of substance. Germany has to rely on the EU. Germany has a weaker army, navy and air force compared to Britain and up until recently there were thousands upon thousands of foreign troops stationed in Germany. Most powerful nation indeed.
Point is they're not really a club to go to for big wages, i don't think they'd really push the salary boat out for any player.
Have to admit their turnover is impressive & all this with a far lower ticket price than United. Very well run club where the fans don't have to foot the owners interest bills.
Not that I'm alone here but I have to say a few years ago, prior to his move back to Dortmund, I said that I thought he would become a world class and was shot down by a few on here. That is all.
Ok....What is happening here?
The Bayern hate is one thing but "The regulator" takes it to a new level.
Sorry guys but I have to stand for my country a bit here against this idiot;
Economy is the new power these days. We have biggest and best going in europe and so we have the biggest say. And who runs the EU is a big time player.
"influence on the global stage non exstent". Yeah. Thats why American media portrays Merkel as the Queen of europe, Time has her as the 2nd most powerful being in the world, and why the US sees us as the guys who talk with Russia and so on.
Please. Your military means nothing in todays world. The Bundeswehr is all we need. And the few thousands Brits in Germany arent a threat to 82 million people. And you know that we are allies right? Chill man.
Some others here arent giving Bayern the respect we deserve. I see no need for pointless arguing here. We hold our ground against any PL team in the past and in these days of world class Germany football(players,revenues and so on) and economy we will keep doing that.
Reach the CL first. Then we can talk.
The Bayern hate is one thing but "The regulator" takes it to a new level.
Sorry guys but I have to stand for my country a bit here against this idiot;
Economy is the new power these days. We have biggest and best going in europe and so we have the biggest say. And who runs the EU is a big time player.
"influence on the global stage non exstent". Yeah. Thats why American media portrays Merkel as the Queen of europe, Time has her as the 2nd most powerful being in the world, and why the US sees us as the guys who talk with Russia and so on.
Please. Your military means nothing in todays world. The Bundeswehr is all we need. And the few thousands Brits in Germany arent a threat to 82 million people. And you know that we are allies right? Chill man.
Some others here arent giving Bayern the respect we deserve. I see no need for pointless arguing here. We hold our ground against any PL team in the past and in these days of world class Germany football(players,revenues and so on) and economy we will keep doing that.
Reach the CL first. Then we can talk.
making new friends, hmm <3?
You don't like football either do you?
A productive attacking footballer whats not to like?
making new friends, hmm <3?
Trash talk is fine. But that one guy...
And others here show no respect for Bayern. Not my fault. But yeah. A bit of a mess here.
Totally. What can he do that Rickie Lambert can't? Liverpool must be mental to want him.
Ok....What is happening here?
The Bayern hate is one thing but "The regulator" takes it to a new level.
Sorry guys but I have to stand for my country a bit here against this idiot;
Economy is the new power these days. We have biggest and best going in europe and so we have the biggest say. And who runs the EU is a big time player.
"influence on the global stage non exstent". Yeah. Thats why American media portrays Merkel as the Queen of europe, Time has her as the 2nd most powerful being in the world, and why the US sees us as the guys who talk with Russia and so on.
Please. Your military means nothing in todays world. The Bundeswehr is all we need. And the few thousands Brits in Germany arent a threat to 82 million people. And you know that we are allies right? Chill man.
Some others here arent giving Bayern the respect we deserve. I see no need for pointless arguing here. We hold our ground against any PL team in the past and in these days of world class Germany football(players,revenues and so on) and economy we will keep doing that.
Reach the CL first. Then we can talk.
Sigh. Please tell me not another silly nationalist.
You have an economy based on a background of powerful manufacturing skills which Britain had but sold under Thatcher and never bothered to compete in. Unfortunately during that period there was limited transit period for the global manufacturing economy. Britain and France were failing in that regard, USA were still going strong but the sign of decline had begun and Japan had just entered it's lost decade. The Soviet Union was on it's last knee's and China had not yet fully reshuffled it's economy away from Mao's destructive policies yet. All in all, Germany took advantage of this gap in the Manufacturing sector and took full advantage. Kudo's to the Germans. Now fast forward 30 years to the modern day were German engineering leads the world in quality and Japanese engineering leads the world in efficiency. Now, what happens when the rapidly technologically advancing Chinese and Indian manufacturing sectors catch up to the Germans. They can produce just as good as you, but cheaper than you and more of it in a faster time than you can.
They can fully undercut you. What will happen then? The German manufacturing sector will go into decline. So what then? You have to resort then to you tertiary sector, which is not as developed as the rest of the first world. Then from then on in you can only play catchup. Sure, Frankfurt is Europe's second main stock exchange but Germany has no viable banking sector to fall back on. Swiss banks have the historical reputation and their administrative laws prevent transparancy - people will always bank there. France's banks lack the reputation but have the scale and size. BNP Paribas is the first or second largest bank in the world. Britain has the Angelosphere for it's economic fallback option and it's banks are some of the worlds most reputable; HSBC, Barclays, RBS - not to mention London headquarters some of the largest American investment groups and hedge funds because of it's transparancy. You look at McKinsey, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan chase etc etc. There's not a single bank from Germany in the top 20. Even Spain's banks are larger. In 20 years you'll be playing catchup to the rest of the first world.
Germany has zero diplomatic presence in Africa, Asia and the middle east. You know in the Libyan conflicts, the whole situation was brokered by British diplomats in the area because even the Americans didn't have the diplomatic contacts that Britain had. Alot of that still stems back from the days of Empire. Sure, Merkel's influence in Europe is immense but her influence in three continents is practically null. Also you need to realize that there's no 'BLOC' in which Germany can properly catergorize itself into.
Angelosphere - UK, USA, AUS, NZ, CND etc etc
China - large enough on it's own to sustain a bloc
Russian - ditto
South American Bloc
EU won't ever form a united Bloc. There's too much conflict in wealth, culture, language, interests and habits for it to work fully.
As for military, please do your research. The German air force is 2/3 the size of the RAF. It has less Typhoons, less Tornado's and 0 CAG's (F35's)
The Germans have more active soldiers but far less equipment such as AFV's and LIC's, the number of tanks they have is the same.
The German navy have 0 capital ships. Your entire submarine fleet's displacement doesn't even reach that of HMS Vanguard. You have less frigates than Britain do, no capital shits in destroyers or carriers. Go figure.
i promise that we wont start a war for marco reus. (Things might be different if he would be polish......)
)Reus thread turns into Army Top Trumps. It's been that sort of summer...
I expected some crazy stuff with anchan involved, but I didn't expect this . How did that happen?
. How did that happen?I expected some crazy stuff with anchan involved, but I didn't expect this
because its my pastime to prove people wrong.
Allow me.....
MarcoN / Marcoff ?
I expected some crazy stuff with anchan involved, but I didn't expect this
Yeah Balu. Because its my fault that one calls me a nationalist and starts with that stupid stuff. Thank you...
Ok guys. That getting a bit much here.
Shame. Always thought of Redcafe as a nice forum.
Is that his "I'm out, bye!"?
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