Would somebody please give me a comparison of the militarry power in Germany vs England?
Marco Reus
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Did we really start constantly discussions about Lewandowski through interviews? As far as I know we just reacted to rumours with short statements and never really came out with 'facts' like Rummenigge did now twice about Reus.
Both pale in comparison to PMC's.
this thread is going well.And you honestly believe, that Reus does not already know of your interest in him via his agent? If anything the offensive behaviour of Rummenigge shows, that Reus´ destination is far from certain at this point. I can´t think of any advantage this statement would bring to Bayern. It is quite frankly a down right stupid and disrespectful comment from someone, who is supposed to be one of the most important representive figures of the football club. It rivals Sammer´s "brilliantly" calling out the other Bundesliga teams about their training methods.
What makes this whole thing even more senseless is the fact, that Bayern actually has no reason to resort to such dirty tactics. They are on top of German Football for two years now. They have the strongest squad and won the league by a land slide in the last two years. They should be above this behaviour and speak on the pitch instead of this petty bullshit.
If I would be a Bayern supporter, I actually would be quite pissed at my CEO right now, because he needlessy dragged the Club through the mud here.
I actually do not know what is worse - daily Watzke or monthly Rummenigge... - maybe the one causes the other.
About this story - there is something behind the bushes but I do not know in which direction it goes. There is not only the factor of the clubs or the player - the agent might be a topic in this, too.
Normally Bayern does that important transfers very silent and already long before they get into the open - especially as it is in their interest to protect their future player. The Lewandowski transfer was already agreed 2 years before but Lewa was not allowed to go because Kagawa left to United. He was promised to leave last year - and was not allowed because of Götze...
That is why I just believe that they right now really do not want Reus - because of the player or because of the agency. But I do not know what Rummenigge's intention is. But I bet that that has reason... (with them you often recognize the strategy later)
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The big question is - does Bayern really need Reus. I say: "No". He is a perfect player for a counter attacking system - he is very successful as a set piece taker in a squad that has a couple of players that can convert his assists. He would be less valuable in Pep's system - and the system right now is not adapted to players like Robben, Müller or Ribery - why should it be for a Reus? And - they are already packed and the ones to replace still have contracts until 2017 and I do not see either Ribery or Robben to decline in form earlier.
Bayern is the biggest club of the biggest and richest country of europe (perhabs de facto(you know that word Invictus? I know that others are bigger, but in fact we could be th biggest because we have less debt and so on and several spots is a big deal in a GDP list
I am not sure about the history or general knowledge they teach in Germany.
Why would you bring country's economy in this issue? What sort of logic is that? With this logic I can say that Guangzhou Evergrande is bigger than Bayern beacuse China has a much bigger GDP and military power than Germany.
Trust me, if Real wants Reus, nothing can Bayern or United do (irrespective of economic situation in Spain). That's the reality.
Why would you bring Germany/GDP here? That's a brain fart..
Thanks for bringing that post to my attention, all I can say after reading that is...
According to the Bayern chairman Rummenigge, Reus has a 20m buy out clause if he leaves next summer. Absolute bargain, there will be a number of teams scrambling for his signature if that's the case.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/06/marcio-reus-dortmund-bayern-irritating
Although i could see Reus signing a new contract December time like Suarez did so Dortmund could get a higher fee and they let him go without any hassle.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/06/marcio-reus-dortmund-bayern-irritating
Although i could see Reus signing a new contract December time like Suarez did so Dortmund could get a higher fee and they let him go without any hassle.
The spending power and what a club could spend does not matter here - Bayern does not totally change their club philosophy for a player and Reus for sure is not in a category of player for which you would do it.
You are probably the most biased Bundesliga poster I've seen on this forum - especially when compared to @Balu/@Blackwidow etc. There's nothing to be defensive about when your club is criticized - non of the top clubs in world football are immune to criticism.
Henceforth I'm not gonna bother responding to your blatant wummery because it's pretty clear you've made a profession of talking out of your arse. Just a quick couple of points that need to be addressed and we can move on :
Mods can we please move this and make a thread in general forum if Herr anchan wants to discuss further ?
Bayern is the biggest club of the biggest and richest country of europe (perhabs de facto(you know that word Invictus? I know that others are bigger, but in fact we could be th biggest because we have less debt and so on and several spots is a big deal in a GDP list
Are you having a laugh mate ? You're one of the 10 highest indebted countries in the world.
In December 31, 2013, the total public debt owed by your central government as well as regional and municipal authorities stood at € 2.043 trillion - equivalent to about 80 % percent of your country's annual gross domestic product (GDP). Now before you say - well we rescued Greece and such. In 2010, when Greece was on the verge of defaulting on its debt, the IMF and EU were forced to implement a 45 billion euro bailout package. A portion of the bill was footed by Germany and even disregarding that there's 2 trillion euros of debt still remaining. With greater future lending the size of these exposures is large, in relation to Germany’s GDP of € 2.5 trillion and German household assets estimated at € 4.7 trillion. You still have loads of toxic state owned assets stored in FMS Wertmanagement and Erste Abwicklungsanstalt.
The living standards have stagnated over the past decade despite the strength of your manufacturing sector which will soon be overtaken. From 2000 to 2010, after-tax income for people in the middle of the income distribution in Germany increased 1.4 percent. From 1990 to 2010, the ordinary German worker did not fare well either. The median per-capita income rose 7.5 percent, which works out to a rate of only 0.4 percent a year.
Just last year, you ran a trade deficit of € 27 billion with Russia, Libya and Norway, mainly for energy imports while also having trade deficits with Japan (€ 4.7 billion) and China (€ 11.7 billion). In total your external debt stands at $ 6 trillion. You don't have energy resources to be self-sustainable and with the manufacturing sector boom in developing nations, it would be unwise to act cocky because other countries are pulling away in softer sectors. Also de facto ? Your really think you're the most influential economy in practise ? If unfunded social security liabilities are taken into account, then the level of your debt increases to over 190 per cent of the GDP.
As for the RAWKish We are Bayern warcry - that's a great argument. I'm totally convinced now.
I tell you what, if you go back just a couple of pages there is the perfect example! Just what a Marco Reus thread needed too....
Couldn't agree more with you. It's getting a bit tedious now and I wish he'd stop commenting on all things Dortmund, if at all possible.
This thread is appalling in the last few pages.
Keep this shit away from the football forum!
Keep this shit away from the football forum!
Jesus Christ, can all you guys just shut up with the eco-politics and military cock comparisons?
THe whole Dortmund-Bayern banter is getting out of hands. Rummenigge as well as Watzke should stay away from microphones for a month and cool off. It's really getting embarrassing now. I can't see how it benefits either club if their CEOs keep talking out of their ass at least one a day.
THe whole Dortmund-Bayern banter is getting out of hands. Rummenigge as well as Watzke should stay away from microphones for a month and cool off. It's really getting embarrassing now. I can't see how it benefits either club if their CEOs keep talking out of their ass at least one a day.
It is time that they play football again. Too much harmony between the players lately and the Supercup is next week.
I just read the last 3 pages of this thread.
Rumors of a move to Atletico intensifying. That would be really odd and surprising.
No way they are signing him. If he was available every big club would be after him. Not to mention that it's not really a step forward from Dormund to Atletico.
Doubt Atletico would happen. A bigger club could pay him so much more £££
Wow. That would be a real coup. How? Why?
Why would Reus go to Atletico? and for 27m??
It really would be intensely annoying if both Kroos and Reus ended up going to Spain for less than £30m.
Surely we should be in for him for that price?
What a major coup this would be for Athletico (if rumours are to be believed). Though I can't help feel that if Dortmund are giving off signs that he's possibly available, then a whole host of top clubs will be in for him.
Maybe the Athletico rumours are being drummed up by Dortmund in an attempt to draw the big clubs out? There is a good chance that they are going to try and maximise ££££ rather than lose him next season for 25m Euros. There is no way they'd offer him to clubs, as it would devalue him IMO, so it seems plausible that they could be planting stories in order to attract the big fish. Watch this space I guess.
Maybe the Athletico rumours are being drummed up by Dortmund in an attempt to draw the big clubs out? There is a good chance that they are going to try and maximise ££££ rather than lose him next season for 25m Euros. There is no way they'd offer him to clubs, as it would devalue him IMO, so it seems plausible that they could be planting stories in order to attract the big fish. Watch this space I guess.
Cope say Dortmund want to sell him now to avoid him going to Bayern later. How Atletico can get Reus to go along with it I don't know, unless there is some heavyweight third party funding going into this.
Well yes. Hopefully the Atletico story is just to let interested parties know he's available - but you'd have thought the could do that by eMail
Coincidentally, almost the exact sum we spent on a fecking fullback.
Yes, indeed it would be intensely annoying.
We should obviously be in for him if he is on the market. Perhaps we tried but he isn't interested in playing left-back.
That was my first thought. I wonder, if true, is there going to be some sort of carve up where Reus benefits from his (inevitable) next move?
Wow, if this is true, then Rummenigge has done his job by releasing the info about the release clause. I honestly believe that Rummenigge mentioned the release amount so that it scares Dortmund into selling Reus this season in fear of losing him to Bayern next year. This will definitely weaken Dortmund.
If this is true, and United do not go for him, i would be absolutely pissed.
If this is true, and United do not go for him, i would be absolutely pissed.
Just no. Having Reus for a season is worth more then any club would pay now. Same with Lewandowski. Dortmund didnt take our money and had him in CL and league(and without him they would have suffered big time).
And to the "smaller" Madrid? For 27? Everything can happen but that is under 1% imo.
I think he meant 2015. And IF(never) Reus wants to leave now he would want a bigger club.
Probably as idiotic rumour as Corluka to United.
Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else but COPE. Sounds like bollocks to me, cannot see Reus leaving this year at all, let alone to Atletico. No disrespect meant there, but if he were to leave, it won't be to Atletico.
Nah.
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