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Shinjisan said:
He'll most likely go to Bayern for peanuts if BVB don't sell him now. Why not sell him now, get more money and not risk losing him to your biggest domestic rivals, who have already poached two of your biggest talents in the last two seasons? Why Dortmund? Why?
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I think him and Hummels as well see their future after Dortmund outside of the Bundesliga and will either go to one of the Spanish giants or one of the big 4/5 in England.

If we put offer him a good contract next summer I have a feeling we might acutally have a good chance of signing him if we manage to get back into the CL.
 
NoLogo said:
I think him and Hummels as well see their future after Dortmund outside of the Bundesliga and will either go to one of the Spanish giants or one of the big 4/5 in England.

If we put offer him a good contract next summer I have a feeling we might acutally have a good chance of signing him if we manage to get back into the CL.
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Let's hope that happens. It would be a shame of they all ended up at Bayern. I rather they sign contract extensions at BVB than go at their cheap release clauses to Bayern.
 
I'm glad this has been put to bed early. Was never gonna happen this summer, regardless of what SolidState states.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
I'm glad this has been put to bed early. Was never gonna happen this summer, regardless of what SolidState states.
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Bob Cass also backtracking. Once again it seems Moyes' ambitious targets will probably ignore us.

There needs to be a reality check over where we are as a club when it comes to our targets.

We need to go back to what we used to do and look to pick up the best of the rest in Britain. Consistently under Sir Alex that was how we operated. Very rarely did we buy big abroad and when we did very rarely was it at the top of the market. Van Nistlerooy was talked about a lot but he wasn't rated at the same level as Batigol or Luiz Ronaldo when we bought him. Cristiano Ronaldo was just a promising kid etc.

The key players of the Ferguson era were either made at the Cliff or nicked from other British clubs like Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Keane, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Ferdinand, Rooney. The reason being, while for us the name Man Utd means a lot, for foreign players we're just one of many big and rich clubs. To a big name player from Brazil, Spain, Italy etc. what makes Man Utd more attractive than Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern etc? I'd venture to say nothing. Only cash, which is why Man City and PSG have found it relatively easy to break in at the top end of the market.

I'm sure if we said to Reus we'll pay the kinda money Tevez got at City he'd come. However, if we're not going to be doing that then we need to go back to the strategy that used to serve us so well and start picking off players from other Premier League clubs who might be able to step up. Especially now, having finished seventh and with no Champions League to offer the foreign superstars we need to re-evaluate what kind of players we can realistically get. Cos we badly need strengthening in several areas.
 
#07 said:
Bob Cass also backtracking. Once again it seems Moyes' ambitious targets will probably ignore us.

There needs to be a reality check over where we are as a club when it comes to our targets.

We need to go back to what we used to do and look to pick up the best of the rest in Britain. Consistently under Sir Alex that was how we operated. Very rarely did we buy big abroad and when we did very rarely was it at the top of the market. Van Nistlerooy was talked about a lot but he wasn't rated at the same level as Batigol or Luiz Ronaldo when we bought him. Cristiano Ronaldo was just a promising kid etc.

The key players of the Ferguson era were either made at the Cliff or nicked from other British clubs like Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Keane, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Ferdinand, Rooney. The reason being, while for us the name Man Utd means a lot, for foreign players we're just one of many big and rich clubs. To a big name player from Brazil, Spain, Italy etc. what makes Man Utd more attractive than Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern etc? I'd venture to say nothing. Only cash, which is why Man City and PSG have found it relatively easy to break in at the top end of the market.

I'm sure if we said to Reus we'll pay the kinda money Tevez got at City he'd come. However, if we're not going to be doing that then we need to go back to the strategy that used to serve us so well and start picking off players from other Premier League clubs who might be able to step up. Especially now, having finished seventh and with no Champions League to offer the foreign superstars we need to re-evaluate what kind of players we can realistically get. Cos we badly need strengthening in several areas.
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Some top player's will be available, I think. But yeah, some need to be a bit more realistic. We've just finished seventh, and cannot offer Champions League football. This has without a doubt effected our immediate pull and attraction.
 
#07 said:
Bob Cass also backtracking. Once again it seems Moyes' ambitious targets will probably ignore us.

There needs to be a reality check over where we are as a club when it comes to our targets.

We need to go back to what we used to do and look to pick up the best of the rest in Britain. Consistently under Sir Alex that was how we operated. Very rarely did we buy big abroad and when we did very rarely was it at the top of the market. Van Nistlerooy was talked about a lot but he wasn't rated at the same level as Batigol or Luiz Ronaldo when we bought him. Cristiano Ronaldo was just a promising kid etc.

The key players of the Ferguson era were either made at the Cliff or nicked from other British clubs like Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Keane, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Ferdinand, Rooney. The reason being, while for us the name Man Utd means a lot, for foreign players we're just one of many big and rich clubs. To a big name player from Brazil, Spain, Italy etc. what makes Man Utd more attractive than Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern etc? I'd venture to say nothing. Only cash, which is why Man City and PSG have found it relatively easy to break in at the top end of the market.

I'm sure if we said to Reus we'll pay the kinda money Tevez got at City he'd come. However, if we're not going to be doing that then we need to go back to the strategy that used to serve us so well and start picking off players from other Premier League clubs who might be able to step up. Especially now, having finished seventh and with no Champions League to offer the foreign superstars we need to re-evaluate what kind of players we can realistically get. Cos we badly need strengthening in several areas.
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I'd usually agree but we need an unprecendented amount of rebuilding this summer. Under SAF we got away with siphoning the top British talents to remain elite simply because at any given time we've already had a brilliant backbone. When we signed Rooney we already had RvN, when we signed Carrick we already had Scholes in the prime of his deep playmaking years. Likewise for the recent additions of Jones and Smalling who were joining what was probably the best defense in the league. Our squad is in absolute tatters now though.

We're in a precarious situation since we've finished 7th this season and we simply cannot afford to have a disastrous repeat next season. Which means to guarantee success we're going to have to go for the very best on a global level which means we're going to have to spend big. Shaw will be a great signing, but I sincerely hope that in midfield and attack we don't just settle for signing the likes of Lallana and co for the sake of upholding the English mantra. Reus is exactly the kind of player we should be going for - failing that there's always the likes of Sanchez, Pedro and Moura who play in that position. If we make a lucrative offer for the likes of these players I'm sure we'll nab one. There's no room for compromise.
 
Mainoldo said:
Like Spurs told them to do one? Basically it probably came down to who do you want to persue and Bale rightfully one p.s. Reus isn't the better player.
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Reus has been the best winger in the world this season after Ronaldo, bale is a great player but he's not as intelligent or as talented as reus, and hasn't been on his level this season.
 
bosnian_red said:
Reus has been the best winger in the world this season after Ronaldo, bale is a great player but he's not as intelligent or as talented as reus, and hasn't been on his level this season.
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Ronaldo hasn't played as a winger for about 7 seasons now.
 
Kaos said:
Ronaldo hasn't played as a winger for about 7 seasons now.
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He plays as a wide forward really but still technically starts out wide and spends his time there, he just doesn't track back like most wingers. You could still include him as a winger though, as a lot of his play starts out wide and is similar to loads of wingers. He's just so good that he can also get the ridiculous amount of goals while playing from a wide position.
 
Kaos said:
Ronaldo hasn't played as a winger for about 7 seasons now.
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Of course he has. Where does this myth come from? He's an attacking winger with no defensive responsibilities, the sort who could be described as a 'wide forward', but his starting position is always wide and that's still where he does most of his running from. He's no less a winger than Ribery, Robben, Reus, Bale, Neymar and plenty of others.
 
Kaos said:
I'd usually agree but we need an unprecendented amount of rebuilding this summer. Under SAF we got away with siphoning the top British talents to remain elite simply because at any given time we've already had a brilliant backbone. When we signed Rooney we already had RvN, when we signed Carrick we already had Scholes in the prime of his deep playmaking years. Likewise for the recent additions of Jones and Smalling who were joining what was probably the best defense in the league. Our squad is in absolute tatters now though.

We're in a precarious situation since we've finished 7th this season and we simply cannot afford to have a disastrous repeat next season. Which means to guarantee success we're going to have to go for the very best on a global level which means we're going to have to spend big. Shaw will be a great signing, but I sincerely hope that in midfield and attack we don't just settle for signing the likes of Lallana and co for the sake of upholding the English mantra. Reus is exactly the kind of player we should be going for - failing that there's always the likes of Sanchez, Pedro and Moura who play in that position. If we make a lucrative offer for the likes of these players I'm sure we'll nab one. There's no room for compromise.
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I'm not necessarily saying the players we buy have to be British. I think, for example, Sandro would be an instant upgrade on our midfield and be able to play a similar role for us that Fernandinho plays at City. What I'm saying is we have to be realistic and that, as in the past where we ended up with Yorke having chased Kluivert (and look how that turned out!), it might serve us better to look at whats out there in the Premier League than go hunting for FIFA/Football manager style targets.

Reus is an amazing player. However Reus also knows that if he hangs on at Dortmund he can go to Bayern just like Lewa and Goetze in 12 months time. At Bayern he is guaranteed titles, European Cup football and he will be able to stay in his own country close to his home and his family. Besides a massive salary boost what are we going to be able to offer Reus that Bayern cant? We can't even offer the warm weather and beaches that the big clubs in Spain can.

There will be some players we can get. Players at the fringes of big foreign sides and you've mentioned a couple like Sanchez and Moura, even Pedro falls into that category to some extent (though I reckon if Luis Enrique is appointed at Barca he'll keep the Catalans/Spaniards). Players eager for first team football who might be willing to compromise on European football if offered a starting XI spot and a big enough wage. Sadly, Reus isn't one of those players.
 
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#07 said:
Bob Cass also backtracking. Once again it seems Moyes' ambitious targets will probably ignore us.

There needs to be a reality check over where we are as a club when it comes to our targets.

We need to go back to what we used to do and look to pick up the best of the rest in Britain. Consistently under Sir Alex that was how we operated. Very rarely did we buy big abroad and when we did very rarely was it at the top of the market. Van Nistlerooy was talked about a lot but he wasn't rated at the same level as Batigol or Luiz Ronaldo when we bought him. Cristiano Ronaldo was just a promising kid etc.

The key players of the Ferguson era were either made at the Cliff or nicked from other British clubs like Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Keane, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Ferdinand, Rooney. The reason being, while for us the name Man Utd means a lot, for foreign players we're just one of many big and rich clubs. To a big name player from Brazil, Spain, Italy etc. what makes Man Utd more attractive than Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern etc? I'd venture to say nothing. Only cash, which is why Man City and PSG have found it relatively easy to break in at the top end of the market.

I'm sure if we said to Reus we'll pay the kinda money Tevez got at City he'd come. However, if we're not going to be doing that then we need to go back to the strategy that used to serve us so well and start picking off players from other Premier League clubs who might be able to step up. Especially now, having finished seventh and with no Champions League to offer the foreign superstars we need to re-evaluate what kind of players we can realistically get. Cos we badly need strengthening in several areas.
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What did Cass say?
 
bosnian_red said:
Reus has been the best winger in the world this season after Ronaldo, bale is a great player but he's not as intelligent or as talented as reus, and hasn't been on his level this season.
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He hasn't been better than Bale mate... We undervalue Bale because of his sheer persistence of using his pace. I can bet you if both player were up for grabs on a free the majority would pick Bale. Reus is an acceptional player though. Whether he would make the grade outside of Dortmund would be interesting.
 
we should be going for Lucas from PSG. januzaj has shown how important it is to have a player who is can dribble past people. If reus is unavailable we should be going for Lucas. Differnt kind of player, i agree, but exactly the kind we need.
 
What is the clause number? If a club submits a bid this summer that's higher than the release clause, surely Dortmund would be inclined to sell. But that would only happen if a team is desperate for him now and is willing to overpay rather than pay the set fee next summer. In our case, he's not a priority as of now.
 
Mainoldo said:
He hasn't been better than Bale mate... We undervalue Bale because of his sheer persistence of using his pace. I can bet you if both player were up for grabs on a free the majority would pick Bale. Reus is an acceptional player though. Whether he would make the grade outside of Dortmund would be interesting.
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Well if you look at it stats wise, Reus is better than Bale or similar to him in literally every department, passes, goals, and then all the shit like key passes and defensive stats that they have on whoscored. Actually watching them though and not looking at whoscored, Reus influences the game overall more then Bale does, is the more creative and intelligent player, does more defensive work. Their attacking output is similar, Reus having a bit more goals and assists combined, but in terms of making chances and how they play overall, Reus just does more for the team and makes more chances. That's all based on this season at least. There's not much between them, and for the current United team Bale would probably have a bigger impact because of our reliance on using wingers with pace and is more of an individual probably while Reus is more of a team player, but overall taking it all into account I rate Reus a bit higher.
 
iBoss said:
He plays predominantly on the right hand side though, right?
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true, but can play on the left as well. januzaj and him can would be able to interchange wings if they were to play together. Reus is an excellent player but he isnt a conventional winger by any standards and doesnt take on players very often either. i dont think hes the kind of player we need
 
depay and Boetius, who is very young and inexperienced but is an exceptional talent
 
Ramshock said:
Just trying to work out who LVG will go after if he decides to turn Manchester oranje
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If we got Depay instead of Reus I'd still be very happy. I rate the lad highly. Wouldn't surprise me to see him and Robben on the wings during the world cup.
 
Gambit said:
If we got Depay instead of Reus I'd still be very happy. I rate the lad highly. Wouldn't surprise me to see him and Robben on the wings during the world cup.
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I don't agree about Depay. The difference between him and Reus is astronimical. I don't want us to sign a winger like him, we need someone far better. We need players that can be regular starters, not squad players.
 
Giggsforever said:
I don't agree about Depay. The difference between him and Reus is astronimical. I don't want us to sign a winger like him, we need someone far better. We need players that can be regular starters, not squad players.
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Depay is younger and as Reus is now off the cards this lad would be a great signing. Young talented potential who would be a lot cheaper. I predict a big future for him. Van Gaal is also a fan.
 
Reus BTW stated in the Kicker interview today that he prefers playing centrally, but that he plays on the wing if the manager wants him to do so.
 
Gambit said:
Depay is younger and as Reus is now off the cards this lad would be a great signing. Young talented potential who would be a lot cheaper. I predict a big future for him. Van Gaal is also a fan.
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I have to admit that I have not seen very much of him so I might have gotten the wrong picture. But, what I have seen from him is that he is not really a player that is able to go with the flow of the game, he is not great at playing down the tempo in matches. Although he is a far better technical player than Lennon and can't be compared to him as a player, he is similar in the way that he drops a bit out of games when the play is not open and fast.

There is a lot of wingers I would hope we sign before him. Even though he is younger, it's hard for me to see that he is ever going to reach the hight of Reus. He is also just proven in a very weak league. I just want bigger signings this summer, at another time when we just wanted to add a talent and keep things fresh, then I would not mind him at all, because what he is lacking can to some degree be thought (not always).
 
ManniKaltz said:
Reus BTW stated in the Kicker interview today that he prefers playing centrally, but that he plays on the wing if the manager wants him to do so.
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He wouldn't play centrally for us, nor would he for most teams. His pace is such a huge asset out wide.
 
Bwuk said:
He wouldn't play centrally for us, nor would he for most teams. His pace is such a huge asset out wide.
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Sure. In any case, I found it an interesting comment as I can't recall that he's ever said it so explicitely in public before. Furthermore, it may one out of a bunch of other factors that could influence which club (or manager, respectively) he choses to play for in the future.
 
ManniKaltz said:
Sure. In any case, I found it an interesting comment as I can't recall that he's ever said it so explicitely in public before. Furthermore, it may one out of a bunch of other factors that could influence which club (or manager, respectively) he choses to play for in the future.
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What winger doesn't want to play centrally these days. Like someone said his pace is so valuable i can't see him getting moved.
 
Mainoldo said:
What winger doesn't want to play centrally these days. Like someone said his pace is so valuable i can't see him getting moved.
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Klopp did move him - admittedly only recently, and things can change any day. ;)

Expect him to play in the center against Bayern on Saturday in the cup final.
 
He is their best player and can influence the game much more as a 10. I think to really get the best out of him this is the perfect position for him.
 
It is unlikely to attract such a talented player (who's happy at his club) to another club who's not in the CL. We have to be realistic
 
Anderson18 said:
He is their best player and can influence the game much more as a 10. I think to really get the best out of him this is the perfect position for him.
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Nope. People say this about every intelligent winger these days but you'd be wasting one of his biggest assets, his pace. He's already playing his perfect position, for me.
 
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