Marco Reus

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Balu said:
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Reus was brilliant for Gladbach in a very different tactical set-up and is brilliant for Germany in a possession based team. Out of all the Dortmund players, he's the last one I see struggling in a different system and his development this season clearly suggests that he's got more creative potential than I originally thought. He won't ever be a replacement for Ribery in the wide playmaker role, but he can easily become a player who excels on the left like Robben does on the right. He'd be absolutely amazing playing Pedro's role from Guardiola's Barca for example.

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I don't think he'll join Bayern next season though. If we want a player like him, I'm worried that we'll choose Draxler over him :(
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Gladbachs played actually pretty similar to dortmund (with less pressing). Reus had even more freedom and they aligned themselves almost entirely on their strength to counterattack with Reus leading the charge. The nationalside plays gung-ho. Almost all offensive player look good while almost all defensive player look like shit.

Reus (surprisingly) took another step forward and improved, but he is still a player that excels on the counter. He might be able do adapt to other tactics, but thats far from certain.
 
Can the Dortmund fans see Reus staying beyond 2015 at the club ?? What do you think will Dortmund need to do to convince Reus to stay when that release clause comes into effect ??
 
I am going to love this summer's transfer rumours with SolidState in the mains. We aren't going to miss one bit of news with him being around.
 
PedroMendez said:
Gladbachs played actually pretty similar to dortmund (with less pressing). Reus had even more freedom and they aligned themselves almost entirely on their strength to counterattack with Reus leading the charge. The nationalside plays gung-ho. Almost all offensive player look good while almost all defensive player look like shit.

Reus (surprisingly) took another step forward and improved, but he is still a player that excels on the counter. He might be able do adapt to other tactics, but thats far from certain.
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I always thought Gladbach's possession game was underrated that season. They had the 3rd or 4th most possession in the league, if I remember correctly, and despite being very direct, if they wanted to, Gladbach was great at controling games as well. Reus' role was definitely very different to his role at Dortmund. And yes, our defense in the nationalteam sucks, but that doesn't really change the fact, that he had no problems at all to adapt to the style of play, which is again very different to Dortmund's.
 
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Mark my words: Reus will s.t.a.y. at Dortmund in 2014/2015. :angel: Unless his release clause kicks in in summer 2015, the club is in the driver seat - not the player.
 
Balu said:
I always thought Gladbach's possession game was underrated that season. They had the 3rd or 4th most possession in the league, if I remember correctly, and despite being very direct, if they wanted to, Gladbach was great at controling games as well. Reus' role was definitely very different to his role at Dortmund. And yes, our defense in the nationalteam sucks, but that doesn't really change the fact, that he had no problems at all to adapt to the style of play, which is again very different to Dortmund's.
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Aside from a different position in a different formation, Reus was not used to any back tracking duties when he joined us (BVB taht is). It actually has taken him some time (a couple of weks if not moths) to get this into his DNA.
 
ManniKaltz said:
Mark my words: Reus will s.t.a.y. at Dortmund in 2014/2015. :angel: Unless his release clause kicks in in summer 2015, the club is in the driver seat - not the player.
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Can you answer my question ?? Do you think that you can keep him beyond 2015, or do you think he will leave regardless what the club achieve ?? What do you think will Dortmund need to do, to convince him to stay beyond 2015 when the release clause kicks in ??
 
If we don't get Kroos and Reus this summer (which we won't), can we ban SolidState?
 
SolidState said:
Really? Possession based football with sharp wing play as a blanket without going into defensive duties, playing through triangles to break teams down. The biggest difference being Klopps style more focused on the counter.
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Klopp's style is not 'possession based', and isn't about 'breaking teams down'. It's about both attacking and defending at as high an intensity as possible. He would rather see fast, direct attacks that risk losing the ball than lots of possession. And in the ideal Dortmund game, they never have to 'break down' the opposition in the sense you're using it, because they attack so fast that the opposition never has a chance to properly settle into a defensive shape.
 
ManniKaltz said:
@SolidState

Mark my words: Reus will s.t.a.y. at Dortmund in 2014/2015. :angel: Unless his release clause kicks in in summer 2015, the club is in the driver seat - not the player.
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That is it. Lewandowski is already leaving. Dortmund will not part with Reus this year. And Reus will get more out of it for himself next year with a reduced transfer sum. Reus just will not transfer this year.
 
Ace of Spades said:
Can you answer my question ?? Do you think that you can keep him beyond 2015, or do you think he will leave regardless what the club achieve ?? What do you think will Dortmund need to do, to convince him to stay beyond 2015 when the release clause kicks in ??
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Nothing. Reus will leave 2015. He ain't stupid - career comes first.
 
I don't see any reason for Reus to leave BVB this summer, they are already playing better football under a brilliant coach.
 
Ace of Spades said:
Can you answer my question ?? Do you think that you can keep him beyond 2015, or do you think he will leave regardless what the club achieve ?? What do you think will Dortmund need to do, to convince him to stay beyond 2015 when the release clause kicks in ??
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There's nothing we can do, and in fact we shouldn't try any longer IMHO.
Reus is neither driven by money nor by emotions. As mentioned above, he'll move on to the club offering be best prospects at that time for titles, whether it's Bayern, Real Madrid or any other club.

As I perceive him as quite risk-averse (typical for many Germans), I see him at Bayern: No need to adapt to a new league, country, or language, and lots of buddies from the national team.

However, as mentioned above, I don't see him fitting to Pep's ideas of football, and I noticed that Reus was pissed when he was subbed around the 70th minute, even when he was exhausted and the games very relatively unimportant. Therefore, I believe his second most important driver for his decision will be the likelihood of field time.
 
ManniKaltz said:
There's nothing we can do, and in fact we shouldn't try any longer IMHO.
Reus is neither driven by money nor by emotions. As mentioned above, he'll move on to the club offering be best prospects at that time for titles, whether it's Bayern, Real Madrid or any other club.

As I perceive him as quite risk-averse (typical for many Germans), I see him at Bayern: No need to adapt to a new league, country, or language, and lots of buddies from the national team.

However, as mentioned above, I don't see him fitting to Pep's ideas of football, and I noticed that Reus was pissed when he was subbed around the 70th minute, even when he was exhausted and the games very relatively unimportant. Therefore, I believe his second most important driver for his decision will be the likelihood of field time.
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Bayern - no. He will not. His style is not compatible with tiki-taka... He would never be able to scrap his assist and goal numbers with Bayern. Not with their current style - and if you take Guardiola's latest press conference that even will get emphasized and he might even get additional players that really match his style. The set-pieces depend a lot on his fellow players, too - and a lot of his goals and assists are from penalties and set-pieces.

I see him going abroad - but not this season. To a style of play he is compatible with - Real (but there is already Bale and CR7 so the spots are taken) or the EPL. And he is smart enough not to claim anything different. Dortmund tried to buy his clause but he is not willing to give it up - that tells a lot, too.
 
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Blackwidow said:
Bayern - no. He will not. His style is not compatible with tiki-taka... He would never be able to scrap his assist and goal numbers with Bayern. Not with their current style - and if you take Guardiola's latest press conference that even will get emphasized and he might even get additional players that really match his style. The set-pieces depend a lot on his fellow players, too - and a lot of his goals and assists are from penalties and set-pieces.

I see him going abroad - but not this season. To a style of play he is compatible with - Real (but there is already Bale and CR7 so the spots are taken) or the EPL. And he is smart enough not to claim anything different. Dortmund tried to buy his clause but he is not willing to give it up - that tells a lot, too.
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That was exactly what I was saying in my posts above: He, Reus, may prefer Bayern (for the reasons listed in my previous post) but I don't see him fitting into the Pep system. Balu for example does see him fitting but I don't agree.

Only if Guardiola gets sacked/decides to move on, Bayern would be interested I suppose. But this won't happen any time soon.

I know that many of my BVB mates don't agree but Reus has never come across to me as being close to any club he's been playing for, and BVB is no difference. Nobody would ever think that BVB is his boyhood club if you didn't read it or get told by a commentator.

Even Neven Subotic or Manni Bender identify themselves more with the club than he does - though this could be partially explained by the fact these two won four titles with Dortmund, while Marco won only one - though the German Super Cup is considered only a "Titel-chen" rather than a real title. :D
 
There is very little reasoning to think that Reus would be here next season. He's at the club he supports, who are losing their star striker and will be determined to keep hold of their other main man. Even if he wanted out (which is highly likely that he doesn't!), he wouldn't be allowed to leave.
Add that to the fact that we aren't playing in the Champions League whilst Dortmund are, then it all adds up to the fact that this ain't happening!
Would love him here, but we need 3 other players in different positions before we buy a winger anyway, IMO.
 
Is there a reason some of you guys are talking about Bayern being his preferred destination? Or is it just that he's German?

I know he's said a lot to suggest he's not interested in moving to Bayern, or were they fake rumours? Obviously they don't mean a huge deal, but I've never seen anything to suggest he wants to go there?
 
Alock1 said:
Is there a reason some of you guys are talking about Bayern being his preferred destination? Or is it just that he's German?

I know he's said a lot to suggest he's not interested in moving to Bayern, or were they fake rumours? Obviously they don't mean a huge deal, but I've never seen anything to suggest he wants to go there?
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I think they do because Bayern was in for him in 2012, he is German,could stay in the known league and country and we always want the best Germans to push our positive image as a German powerhouse.
And the other upgrades to Dortmund are often crazy clubs where no one is safe like Madrid.
 
Alock1 said:
Is there a reason some of you guys are talking about Bayern being his preferred destination? Or is it just that he's German?

I know he's said a lot to suggest he's not interested in moving to Bayern, or were they fake rumours? Obviously they don't mean a huge deal, but I've never seen anything to suggest he wants to go there?
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Indeed, our club even released a note that Reus has never said so! :eek:

anchan1989 explained my speculations; Reus has stressed several times that he's driven by winning silverware ASAP, and unlike some other players who thrived not just on moving to an elite club but also moving abroad (e.g. Khedira, Mertesacker, Klose), that's nothing he seems to be keen on.
 
Red Shorts said:
The sources aren't reliable, but the awards speech is real. Their opinion is the thing you shouldn't trust; it's twisted to sell it as indecisiveness on his future.
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We all know we are interested and we all know other clubs are interested too, but that does not mean Dortmund will let him go. Other clubs will have an upper hand than us, unless we can do something special with Van Gaal.

Dortmund has a release clause, and Dortmund want to give him a new deal to remove that clause. I don't think he will sign this new deal. Dortmund have the power to make him stay this season.
 
Bader said:
We all know we are interested and we all know other clubs are interested too, but that does not mean Dortmund will let him go. Other clubs will have an upper hand than us, unless we can do something special with Van Gaal.

Dortmund has a release clause, and Dortmund want to give him a new deal to remove that clause. I don't think he will sign this new deal. Dortmund have the power to make him stay this season.
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We offered Tottenham €100m for Bale last summer. I'm just hoping we recognise Reus as that calibre and lay a proper bid down for him like we did for Bale.

With a £35m clause active next summer I'd be surprised if they would turn down £60m for him.
 
Pexbo said:
We offered Tottenham €100m for Bale last summer. I'm just hoping we recognise Reus as that calibre and lay a proper bid down for him like we did for Bale.

With a £35m clause active next summer I'd be surprised if they would turn down £60m for him.
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Not sure it would need 60m, probably more around the 45m mark
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Not sure it would need 60m, probably more around the 45m mark
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Wouldn't be worth selling him for 45, he's their top player who's leading their attacking and midfield lines. Especially if you take into consideration that Lewandowski is leaving them after this season, they do need somebody to drag the team a little bit.

They've proven with Lewy that they couldn't give a feck. It's pretty much either pay the price or feck off situation for us unfortunately.

And sadly, I don't see Reus coming to us this year, or in fact, at all.
 
Kostur said:
Wouldn't be worth selling him for 45, he's their top player who's leading their attacking and midfield lines. Especially if you take into consideration that Lewandowski is leaving them after this season, they do need somebody to drag the team a little bit.

They've proven with Lewy that they couldn't give a feck. It's pretty much either pay the price or feck off situation for us unfortunately.

And sadly, I don't see Reus coming to us this year, or in fact, at all.
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You're right in that he's been their best player this season, has become frighteningly productive and selling him would seem a bit mental with their main striker leaving too.

It's a tough one to judge though. I suppose the situation is very different when there's a release clause at the end rather than a Bosman. But a few years down the line they'd probably regret not cashing in on an extra wedge from Reus on top of a big fee they wavered for Lewandowski.

The fact he worked a release clause into the deal and the club were willing does suggest that he's given a potential move a lot of thought.
 
Kostur said:
Wouldn't be worth selling him for 45, he's their top player who's leading their attacking and midfield lines. Especially if you take into consideration that Lewandowski is leaving them after this season, they do need somebody to drag the team a little bit.

They've proven with Lewy that they couldn't give a feck. It's pretty much either pay the price or feck off situation for us unfortunately.

And sadly, I don't see Reus coming to us this year, or in fact, at all.
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He won´t.

I think the position that is often neglected in this debate is the one of the player itself. Let´s assume, that Dortmund would be willing in letting him go for 60+ Mil. €, why would Reus join United this Summer?

Your club will undergo a pretty big rebuilding phase this Summer under a new manager, which results in a considerable uncertainty that United will offer him more title chances than Dortmund (which seems to be his main focus in choosing a club). You won´t play CL next season.

Reus´ best choice of action would be staying at Dortmund as the undisputed star player (especially in the eye of the international audience) for another year and then transfer for a bargain (in relation to his standing) in 2015. If Reus at least keeps his performance level then nearly every European elite club will line up for him. Clubs who will be willing to spend more than 35 Mil. € for him. Everything on top of that figure will go directly into his own pockets and the ones of his agents.
 
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