Don't they need a striker? Give them Hernandez + £40m and get this over and done with. They'll also receive Young as a bonus gift if they make the deal before August.
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This is where I'm coming from. 60 is actually less than I had in mind. Do you think Dortmund would consider an offer if it were high enough, or is it just not even a case of the money?
Correct me if I'm wrong but Lewandoski seemed to have his heart set on Bayern and Bayern were happy to wait for his contract to expire, rather than offering silly money. The situation could be different with suitors of Reus.
reuss messi neymar... scary stuff!
If Barca want him though they might have to make a move this summer as in theory they will have the transfer ban next summer (though I fully expect that to get reduced)
The thing is, I very much doubt they'd be okay with having two of their best players leaving in the same transfer window. That's why, in my opinion that is, for them to consider an offer it would have to be in the region of 60m.
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Lewa knew which club is the best, true.
No player is pricless. Dortmund are still building. They are debt free and have more money then you would think. But anything north of 70 would tempt them very strong. What you could do with such money! Sanchez, Dzeko and so on.
But which club is a clear step up to Dortmund? Not many. United is still one. You would be in. But behind us,Real,Barca and so on. Van Gaal on the other hand is a legend in Germany since his Bayern days. He could be worth a CL place.
But I dont see him leaving in the summer. Dortmund is in his heart and he would want to give them more time. Even if they beat us in the Pokal final next week.
Lewa knew which club is the best, true.
No player is pricless. Dortmund are still building. They are debt free and have more money then you would think. But anything north of 70 would tempt them very strong. What you could do with such money! Sanchez, Dzeko and so on.
But which club is a clear step up to Dortmund? Not many. United is still one. You would be in. But behind us,Real,Barca and so on. Van Gaal on the other hand is a legend in Germany since his Bayern days. He could be worth a CL place.
But I dont see him leaving in the summer. Dortmund is in his heart and he would want to give them more time. Even if they beat us in the Pokal final next week.
That answers my questions. Thanks for the German insight!
Hernandez wont fit their system at all. And if we throw in young as a gift, pretty sure the price goes up 10-15mil.
No problem. Happy to help.
Hey, it's Klopp we are talking about. Give him a dying walrus (Young), he'll even make that work.
I hope the €100m we apparently had bid for Bale goes on this lad.
Making Hernandez work as the lone striker at Dortmund would involve changing their entire system. As much as I love Chicha, he isnt worth it. They've already signed Ramos from Bertha and are likely to add another striker soon.
Since summer 2013, there hasn't been the tiniest bit of relevant news regarding Reus' future. Kinda boring.
These are the facts:
- Reus is craving for a title ASAP
- Reus has a release clause of €35m, kicking in in summer 2015
- Dortmund is trying to get rid of his release clause (IMHO big waste of time & effort)
- Dortmund's boss Watzke rules out a move prior to summer 2015
Without any doubt, Reus will stay at Dortmund for another season but depart in summer 2015. The only question is where he's heading to: He's not driven by the biggest package but the highest prospects of national and CL titles – but the amount of 'guaranteed' field time could also play a role.
I reckon that Bayern would be his preferred destination and have no doubt that Rummenigge & Sammer have been working on such a move for quite some time already – but I fail to see a role for him in Pep's football.
It may not hinder him joining Bayern in July 2015 but if you've observed how pissed Reus looked when Klopp subbed him in comparably shitty and/or 'unimportant' games where he was obviously on his last leg, I'm not sure how he'd handle a substantial amount of bench time when he's fit and energized.
ETA: Reus is good friends with Götze and Schürrle so he'll be able to get some insights how it is under Pep and José.
These are the facts:
- Reus is craving for a title ASAP
- Reus has a release clause of €35m, kicking in in summer 2015
- Dortmund is trying to get rid of his release clause (IMHO big waste of time & effort)
- Dortmund's boss Watzke rules out a move prior to summer 2015
Without any doubt, Reus will stay at Dortmund for another season but depart in summer 2015. The only question is where he's heading to: He's not driven by the biggest package but the highest prospects of national and CL titles – but the amount of 'guaranteed' field time could also play a role.
I reckon that Bayern would be his preferred destination and have no doubt that Rummenigge & Sammer have been working on such a move for quite some time already – but I fail to see a role for him in Pep's football.
It may not hinder him joining Bayern in July 2015 but if you've observed how pissed Reus looked when Klopp subbed him in comparably shitty and/or 'unimportant' games where he was obviously on his last leg, I'm not sure how he'd handle a substantial amount of bench time when he's fit and energized.
ETA: Reus is good friends with Götze and Schürrle so he'll be able to get some insights how it is under Pep and José.
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Great post @ManniKaltz I agree that he'd be very odd in Guardiolas Bayern. All Dortmund players under Klopp will most likely perform worse when they leave and Reus as well. There is no other team playing a high press and counter-attacking/direct football.
At Bayern he will be forced to nearly constantly attack against an organized defense, but his pressing will be similar in the defense at least. At Chelsea he will be attacking in counters/direct running in to space which is him at his best, but he won't be nearly as good in the defensive work.
It is hard for Dortmund players to find another club that will have them performing as good as the style is so special.
At Bayern he will be forced to nearly constantly attack against an organized defense, but his pressing will be similar in the defense at least. At Chelsea he will be attacking in counters/direct running in to space which is him at his best, but he won't be nearly as good in the defensive work.
It is hard for Dortmund players to find another club that will have them performing as good as the style is so special.
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I'm confident that Reus could successfully adapt to different styles than Dortmund; in fact, he played very differently at Gladbach under Favre.
I just fail to see him fitting into any tiki taka football, whether it's the original or Pep's (current) flavor of it.
That's what I find so interesting about Bayern this summer and during next season: Which players will leave, which players will be brought in, which style will Pep implement, will Pep persevere?
Potentially, a number of young German players and talents could become hesitant in joining Bayern - if Pep is interested in them at all. It's known that Bayern (as well as Dortmund) were interested in signing Matthias Ginter and Julian Brandt. Ginter decided for BVB and the clubs are in talks about the terms, so you can consider it a done deal.
Julian Brandt opted for Leverkusen because of game time (and a release clause which Bayern and BVB refused him). And these are just the two players where it is rather public knowledge.
As long as Hoeneß was in the driver seat, it has been one of Bayern's fundamental principles that they wanna have the best and most talented German N11 players at the club. I'd think that Sammer would like to continue like this, too. But what if these don't suit Pep's idea of football?
I'm confident that Reus could successfully adapt to different styles than Dortmund; in fact, he played very differently at Gladbach under Favre.
I just fail to see him fitting into any tiki taka football, whether it's the original or Pep's (current) flavor of it.
That's what I find so interesting about Bayern this summer and during next season: Which players will leave, which players will be brought in, which style will Pep implement, will Pep persevere?
Potentially, a number of young German players and talents could become hesitant in joining Bayern - if Pep is interested in them at all. It's known that Bayern (as well as Dortmund) were interested in signing Matthias Ginter and Julian Brandt. Ginter decided for BVB and the clubs are in talks about the terms, so you can consider it a done deal.
Julian Brandt opted for Leverkusen because of game time (and a release clause which Bayern and BVB refused him). And these are just the two players where it is rather public knowledge.
As long as Hoeneß was in the driver seat, it has been one of Bayern's fundamental principles that they wanna have the best and most talented German N11 players at the club. I'd think that Sammer would like to continue like this, too. But what if these don't suit Pep's idea of football?
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Reus was brilliant for Gladbach in a very different tactical set-up and is brilliant for Germany in a possession based team. Out of all the Dortmund players, he's the last one I see struggling in a different system and his development this season clearly suggests that he's got more creative potential than I originally thought. He won't ever be a replacement for Ribery in the wide playmaker role, but he can easily become a player who excels on the left like Robben does on the right. He'd be absolutely amazing playing Pedro's role from Guardiola's Barca for example.
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I don't think he'll join Bayern next season though. If we want a player like him, I'm worried that we'll choose Draxler over him
Reus was brilliant for Gladbach in a very different tactical set-up and is brilliant for Germany in a possession based team. Out of all the Dortmund players, he's the last one I see struggling in a different system and his development this season clearly suggests that he's got more creative potential than I originally thought. He won't ever be a replacement for Ribery in the wide playmaker role, but he can easily become a player who excels on the left like Robben does on the right. He'd be absolutely amazing playing Pedro's role from Guardiola's Barca for example.
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I don't think he'll join Bayern next season though. If we want a player like him, I'm worried that we'll choose Draxler over him
Didn't people say Robben wouldn't work in Pep's system? I think Reus could do fine at Bayern even if they are not exactly playing to his strengths.
Reus - van Persie - Januzaj
It looks so beautiful. Let it happen!
It looks so beautiful. Let it happen!
I'm a big fan, a fantastic talent
He is not commiting his future at BVB.
Speaking at the awards ceremony, he said: 'It's like that in this business. Every player only has one career and wants to get the best out of it.
'You have to decide what's best for you. We'll see about that.'
The attacking midfielder has not won any silverware since joining Dortmund from Borussia Mönchengladbach in 2012 and stressed the importance of winning titles in the future.
'Every footballer has his goals and is dreaming of winning titles. At the end of your career, you want to be able to say that you've won many titles.'
Speaking at the awards ceremony, he said: 'It's like that in this business. Every player only has one career and wants to get the best out of it.
'You have to decide what's best for you. We'll see about that.'
The attacking midfielder has not won any silverware since joining Dortmund from Borussia Mönchengladbach in 2012 and stressed the importance of winning titles in the future.
'Every footballer has his goals and is dreaming of winning titles. At the end of your career, you want to be able to say that you've won many titles.'
Mark my words, he will be deciding over us or Barca THIS summer, us in pole position with Van Gaal coming in. IMO its as likely as Kroos. All this talk of Borussia not selling/ wanting north of 60m is non-sense. They may want 60+m but they will certainly sell at 40-45. Im willing to bet on that, we offer him 200k/w and hes as much as ours depending on what Barca offer.
as much as we need to overhaul our midfield and buy a couple of defenders, bringing in someone like reus would improve the team a lot.
just offload the likes of nani, young and valencia and get in reus.
just offload the likes of nani, young and valencia and get in reus.
QUOTE="SolidState, post: 15648696, member: 73463"]Mark my words, he will be deciding over us or Barca THIS summer, us in pole position with Van Gaal coming in. IMO its as likely as Kroos. All this talk of Borussia not selling/ wanting north of 60m is non-sense. They may want 60+m but they will certainly sell at 40-45. Im willing to bet on that, we offer him 200k/w and hes as much as ours depending on what Barca offer.[/QUOTE]
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Why will they sell at 40mil now when they can keep him for a year and get 35mil next year anyways? What's in it for them?
28.7 million next year.
It doesnt matter whats in it for them, hes in control in this situation. Like most players at his level he can force a move by handing in a transfer request. It would go public in a desperate bid to keep him, the fans will hate him, the club will still get more than the release clause by about 10m he will get the move and a fat salary.
Lets not forget at United he would have a platform to promote himself as one of the worlds best, well offer him the No.7 (I believe since last summer weve been saving it for him, why? Mata suggested they agreed on the No.8 and was pretty sure he has assurances big things are happening) It makes too much sense and I think out of all our proposed signings this is the most predictable. I havent been surprised by anything that has happened so far with his contract.
Yeah, in pound. Even then, absolutely no incentive to sell over 10mil extra considering they're already losing Lewa this summer. Much like they chose to let Lewa leave for free this season rather than sell him and Gotze together last year.
You know he's a Dortmund fan right? Why'd he create such a shitty position when his situation personally gets even better next year? Great signing on bonus for him and his agent and the fact that he'd command a premium on the wages due to the low transfer fee. There's no way he's throwing a strop to come to us, he's at the club he supports and a top one at that at Dortmund. He's not stuck at some shit club.
He already is recognized as one of the world's best at Dortmund and plays in a system which is definitely a better platform to help him be recognized as one.
The bit about saving the no 7 for him is just ridiculous and something you've created on the spot so I'l just leave that.
Also to back up my opinions, its widely reported Kagawa is open to a move home, as are Dortmund in taking him. Its almost a like for like swap except Kagawa plays more centrally. Also the fact that Van Gaal is a very persuasive factor in players joining, philosophy, training is all very orientated to the German/Dutch way.
Kagawa's agent said he was happy and doesn't want to leave. He has never hinted at leaving, so not sure we're you that from.
Man im not trying to rile you up the wrong way, but if hes really commited to Dortmund why wouldnt he just say "Yeah, I plan to sign the contract but we are still negotiating" Hes looking at his options obviously.
Hes at a great club obviously, but theres a huge difference between playing for United and Dortmund.
I'd love to see a source about Kagawa. As for Dortmund, their president said this just a few days ago: "[We'd] need to have a free spot in the 10 position & we really don't have that."
Almost a like for like swap...
Also, Sphaero has pointed out numerous times that Reus wants to play in the CL. It's one of the most important factors for him.
Sorry, I have taken a liberty with that one, I meant more from Dortmunds side of things.
Where do you get these "reports" from? Please post them here.
The "German/Dutch way" part is the funniest one. What the feck is the German/Dutch way? Klopp's and van Gaal's idea of football couldn't be more different from each other.You're just making it up as we go along mate
Ok look, we will just have to see right? We all know anything can happen, your obviously on the side of this is impossible, Im very much on the other side of things, to me this is a very real possibility and the fees being mentioned on this thread will be no where near what they get for him.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...-kagawa-would-be-welcome-at-borussia-dortmund
I'm not riled up. I'm simply pointing out the flaws in what you're saying. Ofcourse he's considering his options, its natural to do so. But to take what he said to indicate he'd be willing to kick up a storm at Dortmund to come here is a huge stretch, to put it mildly.
Lastly, do consider the fact that Man United for you isnt what its for Reus. He's a Dortmund fan and a German.
Even from their side of things, its plain wrong. As Mel pointed out.
What the heck is Hummels supposed to say? No, Kagawa is not welcome back at Dortmund? I already posted what their president said about the issue.
Really? Possession based football with sharp wing play as a blanket without going into defensive duties, playing through triangles to break teams down. The biggest difference being Klopps style more focused on the counter.
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