Marco Reus

He is a great talent but he is one of the players who is built for a certain style. Kagawa is very similar in that he is absolutely brilliant with short passing and finding space where there is none - but Kagawa has looked so uncomfortable in our more direct play.

Reus main attributes are his incredible stamina, one touch game and work rate, but a part from that he doesn't have too many amazing individual skills. So any team who doesn't take advantage to his stamina, work rate and one touch game will be in for a bad buy.

United would be a terrible choice for him if we don't change our playing style(which is very likely that we will as Moyes loves narrow wingers and not the Valencia kind and also a 5th midfielder instead of a second striker)

Not sure there are many clubs around which really suits him a lot. Dortmund have a very unique playing style and he is completely suited for it. His dribbling is too bad for a world-class winger in more regular tactics.

He is about as good of a dribbler as Welbeck/Kagawa which has proven not to be near sufficient to be a world class winger.

So hopefully for himself he stays at Dortmund or moves centrally where I think he would be able to reach an absolute world-class level.
 
Annahnomoss said:
He is a great talent but he is one of the players who is built for a certain style. Kagawa is very similar in that he is absolutely brilliant with short passing and finding space where there is none - but Kagawa has looked so uncomfortable in our more direct play.

Reus main attributes are his incredible stamina, one touch game and work rate, but a part from that he doesn't have too many amazing individual skills. So any team who doesn't take advantage to his stamina, work rate and one touch game will be in for a bad buy.

United would be a terrible choice for him if we don't change our playing style(which is very likely that we will as Moyes loves narrow wingers and not the Valencia kind and also a 5th midfielder instead of a second striker)

Not sure there are many clubs around which really suits him a lot. Dortmund have a very unique playing style and he is completely suited for it. His dribbling is too bad for a world-class winger in more regular tactics.

He is about as good of a dribbler as Welbeck/Kagawa which has proven not to be near sufficient to be a world class winger.

So hopefully for himself he stays at Dortmund or moves centrally where I think he would be able to reach an absolute world-class level.
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I'd add his blistering pace and dead ball skills to that list also he strikes the ball very well in general.
 
He needs to be playing for a counter-attacking team. He'd be wasted at any team that looks to dominate possession or plays a patient build-up. Honestly, unless Dortmund become a significantly worse team, he should stay there as long as possible. Rarely does a team so perfectly and so exclusively suit a player.
 
I agree he does need space to play in and shines best in a quick counter-attacking side like Dortmund. A team who is more slow in their build up would not suit him.
 
JaffyJoe said:
I'd add his blistering pace and dead ball skills to that list also he strikes the ball very well in general.
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His pace never impressed me, I've never seen him out-pace people with ease in the 5th minute - but for every minute that passes he gets faster than his opponents in comparison.

At the 70th-90th minute he is an absolute monster due to that fact, but again I wouldn't add pace to his list of skills.

Don't get me wrong he is one of the faster players on the pitch most of the times even at the start of games, but as an individual skill that is meant to carry him anywhere it isn't enough. He is not at Valencias(in form) level as in he can get past any player all through out the game just with pace.

The dead ball skills you are right about though I missed that, so cheers for bringing it up!
 
Annahnomoss said:
His pace never impressed me, I've never seen him out-pace people with ease in the 5th minute - but for every minute that passes he gets faster than his opponents in comparison.

At the 70th-90th minute he is an absolute monster due to that fact, but again I wouldn't add pace to his list of skills.

Don't get me wrong he is one of the faster players on the pitch most of the times even at the start of games, but as an individual skill that is meant to carry him anywhere it isn't enough. He is not at Valencias(in form) level as in he can get past any player all through out the game just with pace.

The dead ball skills you are right about though I missed that, so cheers for bringing it up!
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Never heard so much nonsense. So he is fast when others around him get slower?:lol: lets just pretend your post never happened and settle for he's flipping quick.
 
I don't feel that he is any better than Di Maria or perhaps even slightly below ADM. Di Maria would light up the Bundesliga IMO.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I'm sure he rejected Bayern and stated he would never go there. I might be wrong though as my memory is always jaded.
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The bolded part is not true. He never said anything bad about Bayern. He actually negotiated for quite some time with Bayern and then chose Dortmund for different reason, guaranteed starter, maybe even more money than Bayern offered if we count his Puma deal in. He's now the face of the german Puma campaign while Dortmund signed a huge deal with Puma at the same time. Worked out pretty good for all of them.

I don't think we'll see him in a Bayern shirt the next years though. We're well stocked with quality young attacking players (Müller, Kroos, Götze, Shaqiri), Robben and Ribery are staying as well and if we want to sign another german player, Draxler is probably the more interesting choice in 2 years. I really hope Reus stays in Dortmund for a while.
 
Annahnomoss said:
He is a great talent but he is one of the players who is built for a certain style. Kagawa is very similar in that he is absolutely brilliant with short passing and finding space where there is none - but Kagawa has looked so uncomfortable in our more direct play.

Reus main attributes are his incredible stamina, one touch game and work rate, but a part from that he doesn't have too many amazing individual skills. So any team who doesn't take advantage to his stamina, work rate and one touch game will be in for a bad buy.

United would be a terrible choice for him if we don't change our playing style(which is very likely that we will as Moyes loves narrow wingers and not the Valencia kind and also a 5th midfielder instead of a second striker)

Not sure there are many clubs around which really suits him a lot. Dortmund have a very unique playing style and he is completely suited for it. His dribbling is too bad for a world-class winger in more regular tactics.

He is about as good of a dribbler as Welbeck/Kagawa which has proven not to be near sufficient to be a world class winger.

So hopefully for himself he stays at Dortmund or moves centrally where I think he would be able to reach an absolute world-class level.
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The bolded part really is confusing. Do you actually think United play in a more direct way compared to Dortmund? What do you mean with that, because I think there's no team in europe with a more direct approach to the game than Dortmund. It's basically all about pressing and quick transitions. How do you play more direct than that.
 
Reus was born in Dortmund, so I'm sure he has a special connection to the city and the club. But on the other hand I don't recall him saying anything folkloristic (like the typical 'this is my club' 'playing for Dortmund has always been my dream') ever. His release clause also suggests that he's open for other clubs.
 
I think he'd fit in brilliantly here, his speed on the break would be very useful but his link up play is good as well and he looks comfortable on either flank or behind the striker. A lot of times last season I felt we missed an out ball to a player who could carry it up the pitch and relieve pressure, Reus ticks all the boxes IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
I think he'd fit in brilliantly here, his speed on the break would be very useful but his link up play is good as well and he looks comfortable on either flank or behind the striker. A lot of times last season I felt we missed an out ball to a player who could carry it up the pitch and relieve pressure, Reus ticks all the boxes IMO.
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Not really. Only as part of a counter-attack, when his pace and quick thinking give him an advantage. His close control and intelligence are nothing special if the opposing team actually get a chance to set up behind the ball. I really don't think he'd suit us. Even our attractive football over the last few seasons has been about building patient, intricate moves and eventually working it through a packed defence. We're not a counter-attacking side any more.
 
Balu said:
The bolded part really is confusing. Do you actually think United play in a more direct way compared to Dortmund? What do you mean with that, because I think there's no team in europe with a more direct approach to the game than Dortmund. It's basically all about pressing and quick transitions. How do you play more direct than that.
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He means longer passing, and he's kind of right.
 
Annahnomoss said:
His pace never impressed me, I've never seen him out-pace people with ease in the 5th minute - but for every minute that passes he gets faster than his opponents in comparison.

At the 70th-90th minute he is an absolute monster due to that fact, but again I wouldn't add pace to his list of skills.

Don't get me wrong he is one of the faster players on the pitch most of the times even at the start of games, but as an individual skill that is meant to carry him anywhere it isn't enough. He is not at Valencias(in form) level as in he can get past any player all through out the game just with pace.

The dead ball skills you are right about though I missed that, so cheers for bringing it up!
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Ok, wow, where to begin...

I won´t go much into your previous post, because that was mostly covered by the others in this thread. I will just say this much. Dortmund´s whole system is built around pressing, transitioning, pace and directness. To suggest that any PL club, including United, has as much or even more directness in their game is ridiculous.

Your comparision to Valencia is also a funny one. The fact, that you used the term "on form" alone is a testament to the first advantage Reus has over Valencia. The former is way more consistent.

And honestly, even if we take Valencia´s peak season (league only), which was probably 2011/2012, as measure stick and put this vs. Reus´ first season at Dortmund (new system and position), the outcome is not that favourable for the United winger. He assisted a little more goals (14 to 11), but fell short big time when it comes to scoring goals himself (4 to 14). Reus poses a way higher threat in front of the goal.


In general, your whole analyses of Reus´ attributes makes me question, how many games of him you have actually seen.

You got one thing right, though. Reus has remarkable stamina and work rate (like pretty much any Dortmund player). That also makes his defensive contribution really good and sets him apart from other top class midfielder like for example the mentioned Di Maria.

However, questioning his pace is mindboggling. There are so many scenes in the last two seasons, where he simply outran his opposition. His goal vs. City and the goal at the Bernabeu are good examples for that. He is one of the fastest players in the Bundesliga with the ball on his feet.

He is more than just pace and stamina, though. You completely ignore his impressive shooting technique, which makes him a dangerous threat both from open game and set pieces. Speaking of set pieces, he is a remarkable free shot taker. Five direct goals and at least as much assists from there in this season are proof of that.

Last but not least, your comment of Reus becoming better the later the game goes. Reus most prominent role at Dortmund this season was the one of a game breaker, meaning scoring the 1-0 (around a dozen times). Dortmund as a team is known to be dangerous at the beginning of the game. Of the top of head, I can think of at least six instances (there are likely more, though) where Reus scored in the first fifteen minutes.



Reus is of course not without weaknesses. His first touch is not the smoothest and he has the habit (like many other good winger) of fading out of a game from time to time.
 
Annahnomoss said:
His pace never impressed me, I've never seen him out-pace people with ease in the 5th minute - but for every minute that passes he gets faster than his opponents in comparison.

At the 70th-90th minute he is an absolute monster due to that fact, but again I wouldn't add pace to his list of skills.

Don't get me wrong he is one of the faster players on the pitch most of the times even at the start of games, but as an individual skill that is meant to carry him anywhere it isn't enough. He is not at Valencias(in form) level as in he can get past any player all through out the game just with pace.

The dead ball skills you are right about though I missed that, so cheers for bringing it up!
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:lol: at the stuff about stamina and also are you seriously comparing Reus to Valencia?
 
Adam-Utd said:
The same journo that called the Gotze transfer Jan Aage Fjortoft has just revealed Marco Reus has a 35M Euros release clause too just like Gotze. (same agency)

Shit just got real!
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Can someone explain to me exactly what a release clause does? If a team pays the clause for say Reus, Dortmund have to release him to said team??? And is the 35 mil all the paying club has to give?
 
Pscholes18 said:
Can someone explain to me exactly what a release clause does? If a team pays the clause for say Reus, Dortmund have to release him to said team??? And is the 35 mil all the paying club has to give?
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No if a team is willing to pay that clause Dortmund cannot stop the transfer from happening they are then free to speak to Reus he of course is free to refuse. This makes it much easier for players to move as teams can't say no once the clause is matched and takes the power away from the club.
 
Pscholes18 said:
Can someone explain to me exactly what a release clause does? If a team pays the clause for say Reus, Dortmund have to release him to said team??? And is the 35 mil all the paying club has to give?
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You've been on here for 14 years and this is the first time you are curious about this? :eek:
 
I call fake.

He is my favourite player outside of Utd, such a exciting player - the way he can dribble away from people with ease and his finishing excellent. What I would give to have him on our left wing!
 
definately calling fake on that one. Just seems ver like those adds in the past from I think it was nike with Ronaldinho hitting the crossbar multiple times etc
 
Why fake? He probably just kept trying until he managed to pull it off.
 
I imagine he would have celebrated a bit more if it was real.
 
do.ob said:
Why fake? He probably just kept trying until he managed to pull it off.
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Look at the way the ball moves on the second kick, it looks very CGI.

No doubt he could probably do it, but it would take hundreds of attempts. There is a LOT of these promo videos around on the internet already, especially the famous Stuart Downing version.
 
NoLogo said:
That was the first thing springing to my mind when I saw this.

Putting that aside he was again really impressive this weekend.
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Havent seen the highlights yet but he really is a damn good player. I think they might be on tonight or tomorrow so I will soak up as much as possible.
 
KanieKaned said:
Havent seen the highlights yet but he really is a damn good player. I think they might be on tonight or tomorrow so I will soak up as much as possible.
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Wednesday away to Napoli.
 
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