Nah, he's best suited to a counter attacking team but I like the player. Better than Neymar, for now...but if the Brasilian is a hard worker, that will change soon
Reus would be a big factor at the WC if Joachim shows faith
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Nah, he's best suited to a counter attacking team but I like the player. Better than Neymar, for now...but if the Brasilian is a hard worker, that will change soon
Reus would be a big factor at the WC if Joachim shows faith
Are you saying United are not a counter attacking team?
I'm saying 'us' doesn't refer to United
Of course Reus is an completely different type of player.
Since RDCR07 is praising him so badly I wanted to calm down the mood a little. Reus got its limitations. Especially against deeper teams he still got quite alot of troubles. In counter attacking teams though he is a key player. Thats why he always looked the best against the bigger teams. There he got the space to wreck havoc.
Nobody. You posted this and no-one replied:
He might be a world class talent but he's not a world class player. He's a worse player than Kagawa IMO, but he's more explosive so looks better in the highlights and youtube videos.
Everytime iv seen him play he's been brilliant. So fast on the ball and can glide past players with ease. Top player in my opinion.
A Borussia fan posted a long segment on some Borussia players a few days ago, and he critisized Reus quite heavily. Strange, since he's really been great in the CL.
I think that has a lot to do with Dortmund having less of the Ball in the CL (44.9% vs 55.9%, whoscored.com), which really plays into the strengths of Reus. His finishing is usually top class and if you give him some space or let him come at a defender with pace he's really hard to defend but he lacks the tight control that Götze or Gündogan have. His touch is often a bit sloppy and he can play a decent direct pass but he's no playmaker. If the team's plan is working out and they can create some space from him he's great but if they struggle against an opposition that just sits back you often don't see much from him except for his free kicks.
And because he's a 'finisher' in a counter-attacking side, he's also utterly reliant on the form of the players behind him. If Dortmund weren't absolutely flying with their style of football at the moment, he wouldn't look nearly so good.
Whereas recently Kagawa has shown that he can step out of that lightning-fast football into our patient (sometimes ponderous) build-up play and still look very good, because he's got the close control and intelligence to be flexible.
Got a feeling he'll be headed for Real sooner or later
Could've sworn you put Reus in your top 10 players not too long ago
Kagawa at 25
Indeed with Hazard just after him...that was a current form-type thing, wasn't it? Over the last year or something. Reus was just after winning POTY playing for a team that was set up around his strengths. That list would've been different a week before and a week after anyway, I'm sure. Just one of those things. Lists. Once you get past Ribery there really aren't any world class players there anyway...except for possibly Thiago Silva, but then I never see enough of him. I still think he's a great talent like Hazard but he's been overhyped since day one, IMO, and I've said as much in the first couple of pages of this thread.
Because they are a pure counter attacking side, right? No.
How many games of Dortmund in the Bundesliga have you seen this season? It is true, that the team as well as Reus personally excell the most in reacting, but to reduce them to that is not only underrating them but also the coaches of the Bundesliga.
If the reliance on reacting to the opponent would be that prominent, they would have never become German champions a second time in that manner and would probably also not be comfortably 2nd behind the dominating Bayern this year.
Why is that? Because the opposing teams begin to adapt to your style. How many teams actually did them the favour and allowed them to play reactive from the start in this year? A handful. The vast majority of the Bundesliga teams are content to sit back and let Dortmund come to them, because even a draw against them would be a victory for them. This is the burden of being the reigning champions.
This respect resulted in a lot of games, where they dominated possession (something unheard of them in the CL) and had to break the opposing defenses first before they could fall back to their usual style. And here comes Reus´ most prominent role in this season into play. Reus does not only score a lot for a midfielder, most of his goals are also really important. Around 70 % of his goals were the crucial 1-0, the goal that forces the opponent to become more active.
Praising Kagawa for adapting to a new system, while critizising Reus for the same thing is mind-boggling.
This has first to do with the fact, that Reus succeded more in that regard. Both played most of their career before this season behind the striker and moved to the left wing now. Reus came from a team, which was built around him to a team, where he was just one of the stars and had to share chances.
And while Gladbach and Dortmund share some similarities in style, calling them the same systems would be oversimplified. Dortmund has a bigger emphasis on pressing and one touch football, a way higher defensive formation (in terms of positioning), which results in a way higher amount of movement, work rate and defensive contribution of the offensive players. It is especially the last point, where Reus has improved a huge deal this year. His defensive work has nearly reached Kuba´s level, who is seen as the most balanced player (offense-defense) of the squad.
Last but not least, I want to point out a thing, which was not named yet. If Reus is so reliant on the current system of Dortmund, how is it possible, that he plays such a good role in the German national team, which is one of the most possession orientated sides in the world?
Reus's stats were better at Gladbach, I believe, where everything went through him and relied on him for almost all the offense. He's hardly shining just because Dortmund is a top team.
Reus looks class every time I see him ....
@sphaero
do.ob is right. His really strength come when he has space and he has problems when he does not. So you are right that he tries to adapt and does a lot of defensive work now.
What makes him very valuable is his contribution at set pieces even in the matches in which he struggles.
do.ob is right. His really strength come when he has space and he has problems when he does not. So you are right that he tries to adapt and does a lot of defensive work now.
What makes him very valuable is his contribution at set pieces even in the matches in which he struggles.
Oh, I don´t disagree with that. I just wrote a piece yesterday about him, stating that his biggest strenghts are his pace and shooting technique and that he has not the best close control. Of course he works best with space.
However, what I disagree with is the notion, that Reus just works because of Dortmund´s system of counter football (which they can´t even use most of the time).
What is also ignored, is that Dortmund´s extreme fast and direct style results in not the most accurate passing (their overall rate is fairely low for a team on their level). The high amount of risky and one touch passes are often hard to control for the receiving player.
Götze, Lewandowski, Gündogan and also Kagawa could handle that very well, because their control is simply exceptional. Reus gets outshined in that regard. On the other hand, he outshines all of them in terms of speed and shooting (in Lewandowski´s case at least from outside the box).
He offers a lot to the play of Dortmund and is often in my eyes critizised too harshly by the supporters, because they just focus on his control and forget his strengths. I often scratch my head, when they go on about Reus fading from the game after he scored the crucial 1-0, which came from a set piece.
Last time I checked, both the ability to score crucial goals and the strength at set pieces are kinda important in football. Caressing the ball tenderly is not worth much, if you don´t get the ball in the net. And the last part is what Reus was bought for and what he delivers from the first game in the BVB dress.
Not even a hint of a laugh for my "white Welbeck" post.
You football forumers are far too serious.
You football forumers are far too serious.
Maybe because it was a poor and over-used joke
The same journo that called the Gotze transfer Jan Aage Fjortoft has just revealed Marco Reus has a 35M Euros release clause too just like Gotze. (same agency)
Shit just got real!
Shit just got real!
Wow, losing Gotze, Lewandowski and Reus in the same summer would be sickening.
Did it? I can't see him leaving any time soon. Especially considering he picked Dortmund over Bayern just last year.
What...THE Jan Aage Fjortoft that played for Swindon?
He seems a true Dortmund fan too, where as Gotze dreamed of Bayern instead. Hope he does not leave as i love watching Reus at Dortmund, but the big money deals will surely pour in.
That's well known since he signed for Dortmund. It can't be triggered before summer 2014 though. He won't leave this year and Dortmund are already trying to extend his contract with a pay raise and without a clause. Blaszykowski had one as well, but signed an extension without a release clause a few weeks ago.
There's some top class players available at the moment, It's a lot of money but for €60m you could buy Isco and Reus arguably 2 of the best youngsters in Europe. Well worth the money for the long term, both will probably even get better over the next couple of years as well.
Has been known for ages that. He had one at M'gladbach for 17M+ and this was supposed to be 30 or 35M (I always liked the notion of 35M as twice the previous one).
He (or his agent) has been quite shrewd with that. It is fair on the clubs in that they make a profit on their investment (plus get the performances that make him worth twice as much) and pretty much ensures he is not stuck somewhere if he doesn't want to.
He chose Dortmund over bigger clubs because it was the right club for him to step up at that point, his next step would obviously be Bayern or a big club abroad.
I always liked him as a player, but that sort of approach to contracts and ensuring they enable him to manage his career/development makes me rate him a tier above where he probably belongs.
Fair enough, i had no idea about the clause.
I suppose for Dortmund at the time it made sense for them, but since their rise as a real contender it is bad news for them.
Their top players are easy pickings for the big clubs and that can never be a good scenario.
I suppose for Dortmund at the time it made sense for them, but since their rise as a real contender it is bad news for them.
Their top players are easy pickings for the big clubs and that can never be a good scenario.
I am not sure that he is worth 35m.
I'm sure he rejected Bayern and stated he would never go there. I might be wrong though as my memory is always jaded.
Our scouts apparently deemed Isco too slow and not enough of a difference maker. I'd perhaps agree with them on the first point, as our wingers tend to be pacey. Surely he can become a creative player in the future though.
€35m is a lot of money - though I suppose it's the going rate for someone of his age, pedigree, talent these days
Yeah that wouldn't surprise me, as SAF has always preferred pacey out & out wingers. Though things could change under Moyes
If bale is worth 60...
Balu has it right in that it was something that would kick in in 2014. That gives the club two-three years of loyalty and an eventual departure or need to improve the contract if he does well.
Nothing wrong with it. I remember reading about it and remembering all those Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime like Modric banging on about the club chairman having promised if the right club came along, etc... This solves all that shit and puts the player in control of moving to said "right club" for a reasonable fee.
Yeah, you may be right on that actually. Maybe he is just ensuring he is not priced out of a move to us
Yeah, right.If Torres went for 50m...
If Bebe went for... I'll stop right there as it hurts me to even think about it. It hurts so much
Isn't Reus a Dortmund youth product I would hate to see him go to Bayern after he chose Dortmund over them. A move abroad eventually would be fine imo.