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RedSky said:
That doesn't mean he was a shambles. He got us to several semis and finals but couldn't take us that final step. You clearly have a very different meaning of the word and you always take the opportunity to put the foot in every time Oles name is mentioned. So perhaps you let him go eh?
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He didn’t win anything which for a Manchester United manager is pretty easy to do considering the benefits you have against the competition i.e. being an elite club in England and having financial power to waste money on expensive player purchases.

But yet he still failed. The only full time manager after SAF to do so (If we count Moyes Charity shield).

I have let him go. Never held on to him, couldn’t support someone well out of their depth been held up on sympathy and sentiment.
 
Mainoldo said:
He didn’t win anything which for a Manchester United manager is pretty easy to do considering the benefits you have against the competition i.e. being an elite club in England and having financial power to waste money on expensive player purchases.

But yet he still failed. The only full time manager after SAF to do so (If we count Moyes Charity shield).

I have let him go. Never held on to him, couldn’t support someone well out of their depth been held up on sympathy and sentiment.
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You clearly haven't let him go, given you moan about him on a constant basis. :lol:

I'd argue that Jose did significantly more damage to the club and left it in complete shambles. Either way this is a Sabitzer thread and not an Ole thread.
 
RedSky said:
You clearly haven't let him go, given you moan about him on a constant basis. :lol:

I'd argue that Jose did significantly more damage to the club and left it in complete shambles. Either way this is a Sabitzer thread and not an Ole thread.
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Just a light relapse…

But you brought me here:mad:
 
Mainoldo said:
We got him on loan because he was surplus to requirements at another elite club. Yes it happens but the fact he’s come to the club not being good enough to play CM for Bayern to then play for us and show that his best position is further forward is as big of a hint as you can get that if we want him it shouldn’t be as a CM option and therefore maybe we evaluate the signing correctly.
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Great post.
I don't get this "he's a good squad player to cover for midfield area" when he actually plays almost like a second striker. He's definitely not what Erik wanted as he was brought for Eriksen, and he started playing Sabitzer deep.

The problems that Sabitzer solves will no longer be there next season. If they are still there that means we haven't signed a proper striker and we're in deep, deep trouble.
 
Seems to thrive in the same role VanDeBeek played at Ajax. A different option for the squad, he is not really an 8 or a 6. Neither can he replace what Eriksen and Bruno bring.

We should sell VdB if we get Sabitzer.
 
NLunited said:
Seems to thrive in the same role VanDeBeek played at Ajax. A different option for the squad, he is not really an 8 or a 6. Neither can he replace what Eriksen and Bruno bring.

We should sell VdB if we get Sabitzer.
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We should sell vdb regardless of what we do with Sabitzer
 
Makes sense to sell donny, one of the McFred and get Sabitzer / along with a dlp.
 
UnitedSofa said:
this dislike for a good player blows my fecking mind
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Dislike? What a strange post. I bet he's widely popular player, he is definitely having a decent spell at United. He is at the bottom of our needs list so I hope we don’t start transfer window spending on him what might affect other deals that we actually need to get done.
 
Borys said:
Great post.
I don't get this "he's a good squad player to cover for midfield area" when he actually plays almost like a second striker. He's definitely not what Erik wanted as he was brought for Eriksen, and he started playing Sabitzer deep.

The problems that Sabitzer solves will no longer be there next season. If they are still there that means we haven't signed a proper striker and we're in deep, deep trouble.
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No he does not. He's a genuine midfielder who clearly likes to get forward, which is fantastic.

I hope we keep him and that he continues to define himself in a Man Utd shirt. He's a v decent player.
 
UnitedSofa said:
this dislike for a good player blows my fecking mind
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Some crazy folk on here. As though ETH didnt know the player he was getting or what his capabilities were.

A step up on mcfred for sure. For €20mil a no brainer
 
Jeffthered said:
No he does not. He's a genuine midfielder who clearly likes to get forward, which is fantastic.

I hope we keep him and that he continues to define himself in a Man Utd shirt. He's a v decent player.
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He had 10 passes in last game. He definitely plays best when he's allowed to make runs into the box. He plays higher than our AM.

I hope we get him once we get all the essential positions sorted. Imagine not getting a striker we want because we spent 20m on Sabitzer early on.
 
Borys said:
He had 10 passes in last game. He definitely plays best when he's allowed to make runs into the box. He plays higher than our AM.

I hope we get him once we get all the essential positions sorted. Imagine not getting a striker we want because we spent 20m on Sabitzer early on.
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Making runs from deep into the box, doesnt mean a player plays higher up than your AM. Means he's a smart, intelligent player.
 
It’s a no from me. He’s ok, but doesn’t really improve us in any real way. Any signings we make should be with a view to improving on what we have in the first team, or at least the potential to improve it. Not replacing underwhelming shite that’s sat on our bench with mediocre upgrades unlikely to improve from where they are.
 
I love a goalscoring midfielder and he can certainly chip in with his fair amount of goals. We don’t have a reasonable amount of goals coming in from that position on the pitch except Bruno, so let’s sign him especially with that alleged decent price
 
FootyGirl88 said:
He will do good at Fulham and then you’ll say why didn’t we sign him permanently, I’ve seen this type of discourse way too many times:lol:
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He’ll do well at Fulham because that’s the level he should be playing at permanently as a first team player.
 
Realistically with how things are going with the sale of the club we are not going to have a big budget for the summer. At the price he is available I don’t think there’s a better player around at that value
 
Why is there such certainty among some that we need another "squad player"? I should preface this by saying Sabitzer is a good footballer and I'm watching him closely until the season's out before fully deciding on him but I don't get the rationale about adding squad players.

That doesn't seem clear to me. McTominay - squad player. Fred - squad player. Eriksen - I think at an elite club, you could argue squad player, not nailed on every single game. Maybe squad player is the wrong word but he's someone we should be giving a bit of protection and not utilising for every single match until his form dips off. He's nailed on because we've feck all choice. I could even throw in Hannibal.

I would say what is missing is another quality player. Or maybe a young player that has huge potential. Specifically in the build up/deeper areas in midfield, whether that is as a Casemiro alternative or somebody that enjoys picking the ball up deep and can carry it forward. We've got so many cooks that want to play further forward and Sabitzer is another.
 
Godfather said:
No brainer for us
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And people are saying he’s not good enough, we don’t want him to start but be part of a shadow midfield with our first three Midfield being ; Casemeiro(6), Ericsen or NewPlayer likeFDJ*(8), Bruno(10).
Shadow Midfield 3 ; Caciedo*or Rabiot*(6), S Mctominay or Ericsen(8), Sabitzer(8/10)

We need to sell Fred, I love this guy but our manager clearly is not a fan and he’s 30 now, plus DVB needs to go so is Sabitzer better than DVB because that’s an instant upgrade with no cost because we’ll get £15m for DVB.

Now if money is no object and we can buy Caciedo, Macalister and Bellingham whilst selling Mctominay, Fred and DVB, let’s be clear here that’s a £200 net investment to our midfield, I would have a different opinion but let’s say he finishes the season with 8 or 9 goals and 5 or 6 assists those sort of numbers surely deserve a contract?

Plus I think Bellingham is the wrong lad we are looking at from the midlands, our scouts and manager should be all over Jacob Ramsey whose probably available at half the price.
 
Sabitzer is a multi functional midfielder (swiss army knife) who can play 6/8/10. A midfielder like him is important to have in the squad as it gives ETH options tactically, especially if he is on the pitch and ETH can adjust his role witbout having to make a sub for tactical reasons.

We've always had a use for a mutlifunctional player, albeit more defensively; clayton blackmore, phil neville, john o'shea.

But the game has changed with the preference for 3 man midfields and you need be able to fill the three basic midfield roles: passer, creator, destroyer. You cant always get 6 midfielders of high quality for 3 roles (starter and backup per role), thats where a player like sabitzer excels. Mutlifunctional.

€20mil is a bargain, especially when fulham are quoting £60mil for their portugese midfield destroyer.
 
dinostar77 said:
Sabitzer is a multi functional midfielder (swiss army knife) who can play 6/8/10. A midfielder like him is important to have in the squad as it gives ETH options tactically, especially if he is on the pitch and ETH can adjust his role witbout having to make a sub for tactical reasons.

We've always had a use for a mutlifunctional player, albeit more defensively; clayton blackmore, phil neville, john o'shea.

But the game has changed with the preference for 3 man midfields and you need be able to fill the three basic midfield roles: passer, creator, destroyer. You cant always get 6 midfielders of high quality for 3 roles (starter and backup per role), thats where a player like sabitzer excels. Mutlifunctional.

€20mil is a bargain, especially when fulham are quoting £60mil for their portugese midfield destroyer.
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No, he can't. Not in the premier league anyway and definitely not for a top club.
 
Woziak said:
And people are saying he’s not good enough, we don’t want him to start but be part of a shadow midfield with our first three Midfield being ; Casemeiro(6), Ericsen or NewPlayer likeFDJ*(8), Bruno(10).
Shadow Midfield 3 ; Caciedo*or Rabiot*(6), S Mctominay or Ericsen(8), Sabitzer(8/10)

We need to sell Fred, I love this guy but our manager clearly is not a fan and he’s 30 now, plus DVB needs to go so is Sabitzer better than DVB because that’s an instant upgrade with no cost because we’ll get £15m for DVB.

Now if money is no object and we can buy Caciedo, Macalister and Bellingham whilst selling Mctominay, Fred and DVB, let’s be clear here that’s a £200 net investment to our midfield, I would have a different opinion but let’s say he finishes the season with 8 or 9 goals and 5 or 6 assists those sort of numbers surely deserve a contract?

Plus I think Bellingham is the wrong lad we are looking at from the midlands, our scouts and manager should be all over Jacob Ramsey whose probably available at half the price.
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15 million for VDB.. I'd snap their hand off! Not only coming off an injury but no form at all in 2 years.

Hard to imagine. If I was a lower club I'd only snap him up for a nominal fee. Surely more interesting players out there for that kind of money.
 
Zoo said:
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At that price sign him, there is so much back and forward of Sabi for what? Confusion over his best position it seems.

Let me pose this the :

#6 - We need cover for Case that isn't a downgrade - 40m (that rules out McT & Fred as they aren't good enough)
#8 - We need an upgrade on our DLP (Eriksen squad, keep Fred? Why when Bruno has been doing well as cover there)
#10 - We need cover for Bruno (Not because he won't play every game but for if he has to and cover another position i.e RW for Antony/Cover, DLP Cover or any other position when we are short due to Bruno's ability to play multiple midfield and forward roles)

If you are telling me that you wouldn't take an extra body in Midfield that is a upgrade on McT & VDB to cover Bruno while we attempt to chase 4 cups again next season.

Especially one that is happy to just play whenever required and for 18m when a majority of players are going to cost twice as much as that, strange takes all round on this.

If you are worried about 18m out of our summer budget then serious questions need to be asked about the club as we will not be getting the RB, Case cover, 8/CM cover and a quality striker whether we spend 18m or not
 
Habs said:
Realistically with how things are going with the sale of the club we are not going to have a big budget for the summer. At the price he is available I don’t think there’s a better player around at that value
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What? Any new owner is not going to half arse their first summer in charge, especially if it ends up being Qatar which it probably will. Loads of players will leave, several players will come in. It's going to be a significant summer.

We shouldn't sign Sabitzer. Useful for getting goals but he doesn't do enough as a midfielder. He's also on really high wages.
 
dinostar77 said:
Sabitzer is a multi functional midfielder (swiss army knife) who can play 6/8/10. A midfielder like him is important to have in the squad as it gives ETH options tactically, especially if he is on the pitch and ETH can adjust his role witbout having to make a sub for tactical reasons.

We've always had a use for a mutlifunctional player, albeit more defensively; clayton blackmore, phil neville, john o'shea.

But the game has changed with the preference for 3 man midfields and you need be able to fill the three basic midfield roles: passer, creator, destroyer. You cant always get 6 midfielders of high quality for 3 roles (starter and backup per role), thats where a player like sabitzer excels. Mutlifunctional.

€20mil is a bargain, especially when fulham are quoting £60mil for their portugese midfield destroyer.
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I’m not convinced he’s multi functional, so far he looks suited to one role and then is just a makeshift option elsewhere which is same issue we have with McTominay who people also view as multifunctional.

Is it also really a bargain paying 20m for someone Bayern don’t want, supposedly earns over 200k a week and already 29, sounds like a better deal for them than us.

It’s been a good loan so far, he’s a good player but we don’t need him unless we’re selling Mctominay, Fred and DVB and signing 2 other midfielders. I’d say chances of that happening are zero.
 
Abraxas said:
15 million for VDB.. I'd snap their hand off! Not only coming off an injury but no form at all in 2 years.

Hard to imagine. If I was a lower club I'd only snap him up for a nominal fee. Surely more interesting players out there for that kind of money.
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Ajax connection will go back and we’ll get some of that Antony overpayment back
 
dinostar77 said:
Sabitzer is a multi functional midfielder (swiss army knife) who can play 6/8/10. A midfielder like him is important to have in the squad as it gives ETH options tactically, especially if he is on the pitch and ETH can adjust his role witbout having to make a sub for tactical reasons.

We've always had a use for a mutlifunctional player, albeit more defensively; clayton blackmore, phil neville, john o'shea.

But the game has changed with the preference for 3 man midfields and you need be able to fill the three basic midfield roles: passer, creator, destroyer. You cant always get 6 midfielders of high quality for 3 roles (starter and backup per role), thats where a player like sabitzer excels. Mutlifunctional.

€20mil is a bargain, especially when fulham are quoting £60mil for their portugese midfield destroyer.
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This might be true but has not been proven in his (short) spell at United. Notice how ETH started Sabitzer in deep midfield, and recently he's been deployed (and effective) in very advanced midfielder/second striker role. In 2 out of last 3 games Bruno was moved deeper to accommodate Sabitzer high up the pitch. It doesn't seem like he can play 6/8 position when even if Casemiro and Eriksen are out, Erik prefers Bruno to play deeper with McTominay.

The question we need to answer is whether Sabitzer will be a good cover for Bruno. I am not against this idea, but I am not the biggest fan either. How much is he expected to play anyway? He is not even close to Bruno level.

Scenario 1- we're still under Glazers, meaning every penny counts.

Scenario 2- we have new owners, meaning we can surely do better than Sabitzer.

In neither scenario getting Sabitzer is a "no brainer'.
 
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