Manuel Ugarte | Romano - he’s signed | Awaiting Club announcement

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nacho cheese said:
Hi everyone newbie here, so please go easy on me in case you don't agree with my views on this guy.

I have a friend who supports Sporting, and he always tells me that Ugarte was the main reason, Palhinha lost the spot in the starting 11. He was a monster in their midfield and was quite unlucky, that his best season with Sporting coincided with their worst under Amorim.

We often see gaping holes in our midfield during games. Those cease to exist with him. Fans and pundits alike have become obsessed with Busquets and Rodri clones these days. Not every DM is going to dictate or control the tempo from deep. Those guys are specialists. This guy is a pure dm. A defensive midfielder in the truest sense of the word. Perhaps a ball winning midfielder because he's aggressive and won't just passively sit. The guy is a machine. A a player to let Mainoo do his thing while Ugarte is shepherding the midfield. We could do with an aggressive, fit, reliable ball winner with legs, who can plug gaps so that Mainoo and others dont have have to. Ugarte is elite at that. One of the best around right now at what he does. No, he's not going to dictate the tempo from midfield like Rodri, but who else can? Those are generational players, suitable to play a very specific setup. In Ugarte, we can have a dm who will protect the backline, and solidify the midfield like no other.

I can see him easily having the same impact Palhinha had, when he came to the PL, smashing all the tackles records. Plus, he is somewhat better on the ball than Palhinha and overall a better player. However he is much more a destroyer than a playmaker, but with Bruno and Mainoo, I think that has potential to be a very effective midfield three.

I am optimistic about this signing. :)
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We’ve needed this type of player for years, mate. We’ve enough “visionaries” for now, who leave us open but have desperately lacked this type of player who can plug gaps that happen every game, against the weakest team. As you rightly point out, there is an obsession with a certain type of player because mainly, one manager has had success with it and it works with online playtime. Confident that this guy will make a difference, along with better defenders, once they get accustomed to one another’s game. We can still strengthen in attacking areas and maybe, even yet, in this window.

Man Utd of Man Utd.
 
bringbackbebe said:
Is this some sort of a weird rant? I don't really have time to follow PSG games to have an in-depth analysis of what Ugarte is capable of. It's better to admit that than to feign knowledge that doesn't exist. Besides, my point is Casemiro is done and we can't trust him to play at a decent level week in and week out.
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antohan said:
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Live image of Ugarte pushing :

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€60m is the price PSG wanted all along, right? So we’ve either gotten favourable payment terms or we’ve gone towards them on the fee.
 
Good price. Castles is, I think, one of the better journos out there. Never understood the stick he gets here. His new podcast is very good, too.
 
Brophs said:
€60m is the price PSG wanted all along, right? So we’ve either gotten favourable payment terms or we’ve gone towards them on the fee.
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Not really. They originally wanted €60m fixed fee. It’s now €50m + €10m variables. If the variables are things like winning the league, CL, etc… then we’d be happy to end up paying them

Wouldn’t surprise me they’re only there to allow PSG to save face and say they got what they wanted. Might never be achievable.
 
So its 42M rising to 51M, which means we kinda caved to PSG's demands of 51M, which I'm not a fan of, but since this was deadlocked for months, I understand the why of it.

Do wish we told them to feck off though, since they had no other buyers willing to go that far.
 
Highfather_24 said:
So its 42M rising to 51M, which means we kinda caved to PSG's demands of 51M, which I'm not a fan of, but since this was deadlocked for months, I understand the why of it.

Do wish we told them to feck off though, since they had no other buyers willing to go that far.
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We don't know what the variables are though. They could be, like others have said, winning the CL or PL and if that's the case, I think we'd be happy if we had to pay the top line.
 
strandty said:
We don't know what the variables are though. They could be, like others have said, winning the CL or PL and if that's the case, I think we'd be happy if we had to pay the top line.
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Yeah its could be a ballon d'or clause, or it could be easy appearance clauses. Nobody knows so far, so yeah, wish we didnt cave in to their 60M euros demands.
 
We have been too easy to play against for years. If he can make a big difference to that alone then I’m absolutely all for this.
 
Highfather_24 said:
So its 42M rising to 51M, which means we kinda caved to PSG's demands of 51M, which I'm not a fan of, but since this was deadlocked for months, I understand the why of it.

Do wish we told them to feck off though, since they had no other buyers willing to go that far.
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They didn't get what they originally asked for.
We didn't pay as low as we originally wanted.
Thats how negotiating works, we met in the middle with add ons... Generally speaking if those add ons are met he will have been a success here.

I think it's a good deal in the end.
 
Any chance he can play on Sunday? Hopefully he can come off the bench in the second half when Casemiro runs out of steam.
 
Pexbo said:
I assume you are trolling.





They were demanding €70m. We’ve got them down to €50m + €10m addons. It’s a good deal.
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How nice of them to come down to 50+10 from 70m for an unwanted player that they bought for 60m just a season ago. They should have asked for 80m initially, we'd have a better deal today.

Too bad we sold them di Maria for a GBP 15m loss in a similar situation. fecking Woody!

Anyway, it's good that it's done. We desperately needed to get another body in as we are really short of quality options in the middle of the park. Hope, he turns out a success.
 
Pexbo said:
I assume you are trolling.





They were demanding €70m. We’ve got them down to €50m + €10m addons. It’s a good deal.
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The tweet you quoted is more than a month back. Any demands of 70M euros was posturing, nobody was gonna pay that since they got him for 60M euros themselves and now he was unwanted.

Latest reports have all claimed PSG basically want to recoup the 60M they paid for him.

I dont think its the worst compromise, but a how is it a good deal when the overall package is exactly what PSG wanted?
 
Highfather_24 said:
The tweet you quoted is more than a month back. Any demands of 70M euros was posturing, nobody was gonna pay that since they got him for 60M euros themselves and now he was unwanted.

Latest reports have all claimed PSG basically want to recoup the 60M they paid for him.

I dont think its the worst compromise, but a how is it a good deal when the overall package is exactly what PSG wanted?
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Highfather_24 said:
The tweet you quoted is more than a month back. Any demands of 70M euros was posturing, nobody was gonna pay that since they got him for 60M euros themselves and now he was unwanted.

Latest reports have all claimed PSG basically want to recoup the 60M they paid for him.

I dont think its the worst compromise, but a how is it a good deal when the overall package is exactly what PSG wanted?
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You were never going to be happy. You've been the grim reaper in this thread for weeks.
 
One of the problems at United is that the squad has been dysfunctional for so long that every time we buy a player, they basically have to do the job of 3 squad members. But that's not realistic. We don't (always) need one person that can do it all, we need a squad with a balanced profile of players in it who collectively tick all the boxes.

Ugarte fills a need in the squad, to be the guy who protects the team from transitions and who can sit in front of the back four when we're on the back foot. That doesn't mean we then stop buying midfielders, and if Ugarte can't do it all by himself, oh well. It means we keep filling out the profile of the squad over the next two summers as well.

Very few wingers, for example, can go wide and cross or cut inside and shoot equally well. Not many strikers can play as finisher or creator. Not many centre backs can progress the ball, keep pace with fast stikers and also dominate the 6 yard box in the air. Most top clubs will have one or two players of that elite quality at most. Other than that, they're making sure that they have different specialists in their squad to cover different eventualities.

We need to do the same. If there's a one man army out there, like Rodri, that can screen and tackle, while also playing from deep and making good progressions in possession and scoring the odd goal, sign them up. But there's very real chance that we won't find one. Real Madrid, for example, don't have one. Last season they chopped and changed between Tchouameni, Camavinga, Modric and Kroos according to the needs of the game. That's where we need to be.

After a couple more summers, we should be in a position where we've got 4 or 5 options across the midfield/number 10 slots, and we're picking and choosing what's best game by game based on form of the players and the opposition. Ugarte can definitely be part of that group.
 
Highfather_24 said:
The tweet you quoted is more than a month back. Any demands of 70M euros was posturing, nobody was gonna pay that since they got him for 60M euros themselves and now he was unwanted.

Latest reports have all claimed PSG basically want to recoup the 60M they paid for him.

I dont think its the worst compromise, but a how is it a good deal when the overall package is exactly what PSG wanted?
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Because the overall package depends on variables, and is not a definite pay out.
This means we pay the extra 10 only in case of exceptional performance by him and/or the team.
 
Good purchase in the end. We desperately needed a more defensive minded midfielder give Case's issues. Now we have him.

We still need to replace Erikssen and get a more creative midfielder as an alternative for Mainoo. But that, i guess is a job for the next Summer.
 
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