That's just the one expression fooling you; he's actually shitting his pants. Must be a nightmare for any photographer. Imagine him drunk - no you can't, can you?
Manuel Neuer
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That's just the one expression fooling you; he's actually shitting his pants. Must be a nightmare for any photographer. Imagine him drunk - no you can't, can you?
How many times team has about 4 or 5 one on one chances with the keeper in one game?
It's obvious that their defending is set up for keeper to play like that. Of course him being able to play like that plays big part why they play like that, but I am sure there are few other keepers who could play that too. Valdes who wasn't rated that high did it quite often for Barca in one period(Pep's last two seasons at Barca).
And for those who think he doesn't make mistakes ask Bayern fans about his form at the end of season.
It's obvious that their defending is set up for keeper to play like that. Of course him being able to play like that plays big part why they play like that, but I am sure there are few other keepers who could play that too. Valdes who wasn't rated that high did it quite often for Barca in one period(Pep's last two seasons at Barca).
And for those who think he doesn't make mistakes ask Bayern fans about his form at the end of season.
Of course the game is set up because he can play like that, just like United once was set up for the defense to play higher up the pitch due to Rio's electric pace; it speaks volumes of Neuer's abilities that a team can be set up due to a goalies strengths.
Valdez could, probably still can, play that way, but he is rubbish at picking out crosses. Neuer is a world class goalie in terms of reflexes, crosses, handling, kicking and controlling the ball, and his ability to play as a sweeper in the broadest sense just adds to his qualities. Valdez had reflexes and sweeper skills.
And of course he makes mistakes; only very few, mostly non-risk takers don't make mistakes (VDS being the exception, but he wasn't as aggressive as a Neuer or a Schmeichel either).
The one thing still missing in De Gea is the confidence Neuer oozes. He may look silly the odd few times but that means nothing in the grand scheme of things. He's a lot like Schmeichel in that way. Outstanding goalkeeper.
He does remind me of Schmeichel, but attackers were afraid of Schmeichel, almost having too much respect; I don't yet see attackers being afraid of Neuer in the same sense. He may end up being referred to in the same class of Schmeichel though - Schmeichel is the best goalie I've ever seen, without a doubt, so he still has some way to go.
Dave isn't lacking at all in confidence. He's just a different demeanour, Neuer is the more schmeichel esque, brash bold kind of keeper, but dave is more of a van der sar, quieter, but totally calm and never out of control. Dave is always the one that performs best in high pressure situations for us, and just look at the amazing amount of stick he got in his first 2 years here and how outstandingly he's come through that unscathed. Dave doesn't lack confidence at all, you're talking about something different.
He's become much more confident and composed but he's still prone to getting insecure on set-pieces in deciding when to go after the ball and when to stay on his line.
well sure but that's still a different thing and we can all agree that Dave has been working on that aspect of that game and we're clearing seeing drastic improvements.
what a pass that was though by the way.
Agreed, but he does lack that edge that makes attackers nervous of entering a challenge with him, or apprehensive before finishing in a one on one like they did against Schmeichel. There was a Norwegian attacker who said he almost shit his pants coming one on one with Schmeichel - he scored, but still...
I don't follow Bayern 24/7 like i do BPL and La Liga, but whenever i watch them play i see Neuer making insanely shaky appearances whenever people pass the ball back to him and he gets pressured. He reminds me of Valdez a lot when they pass back.
Definitely, like I said, he's improved immensely and I'm not having a dig at him, along with Courtois I consider him the best <25 goalkeeper in the world.
Though I don't think you can quite say that Neuer is like Schmeichel and De Gea is like VDS. While VDS was certainly a calmer, more composed goalkeeper than Neuer and Schmeichel, he still had the same commanding presence and that 'no way in hell are you going to score at me' attitude as them. I think DDG is still lacking slightly in that area but it's something that will most likely come naturally in time.
I don't think it's set up mainly because of him, altough he plays big part in it, but biggest reason for them playing like that IMO it's because they insist on playing with high pressing/their style in general.
As for his abilities, he is still quite suspect at set pieces, he showed it even in this game, and few times in the past few seasons. And I wouldn't say his kicking is world class, it can be great at times, but it's also still inconsistent in comparision with someone like VDS who would pretty much always kick it in the right direction woth both feet, and Neuer kicks it off the pitch from time to time.
Could they insist on playing a high pressing style if Neuer wasn't adept at that role?
I think he's good at set pieces, but not Schmeichel level or VDS level for that matter. I like his kicking though; it's mostly possession based, but at times quite adventurous. I agree that VDS was better; he's the only goalie who after receiving the ball on his left didn't bother to change to his right even when he has ample time to do so. VDS, still a level below Schmeichel in that regard, was also terrific at throwing the ball.
I'm not saying that Neuer is the complete goalie, and he surely makes mistakes, but so did Schmeichel; he was still a better goalie than VDS.
Of course they wouldn't, I said him being able to play like that plays big part in their style of defending.
I don't agree that he is good at set pieces, he is decent and nothing more in that department, that's actually his weak spot IMO.
what a pass that was though by the way.
Tremendous pass... doesn't do it nearly enough for me. The number of times he's kicked the ball to the touch line from simpler situations tells me he's inconsistent with his passing. Still got genius in him though.
Amazing. I love his style.
You may be right; you've probably watched him more than I have. There is a tendency with modern goalies that they aren't particularly good at set pieces or crosses in general; few stand out like Schmeichel did in that respect. VDS was also terrific at dealing with crosses, but in a much calmer manner. I can pretty much recall one mistake he made in that respect...
How can you criticize him after this game? That was an incredible performance by him. It always looks a little weird when a keeper rushes out of a goal like that, but it basically saved Germany at least 5 times today.
Had he not run out of the goal, there would've been countless 1on1 situations between an Algerian player and Neuer. I don't know any other keeper in the world who intercepts these situations just like Neuer does. Most keepers would just stay on the line and would not get criticized after they let a 1on1 finish in, but Neuer won't even let it get to that.
Had he not run out of the goal, there would've been countless 1on1 situations between an Algerian player and Neuer. I don't know any other keeper in the world who intercepts these situations just like Neuer does. Most keepers would just stay on the line and would not get criticized after they let a 1on1 finish in, but Neuer won't even let it get to that.
He's a disaster waiting to happen. Never been a big fan of his.
The combination of Germany's high line and Mertesacker's lack of any pace required this though. Feck me, Mertesacker is slow. Might appear unconventional and risky, but Neuer saved Germany numerous times today.
Bailed Germany out today. Such a nutter, you've got to love goalies like that.
Oddly enough, Manuel Neuer has caused exactly two goals at Bayern with his high-risk approach and both happened in his first season, one even in his first Bundesliga game for Bayern, when he was still unfamiliar with his defenders and a little uncertain about his new role.
For the last two seasons there wasn't one single goal we conceded because of his aggressive sweeping. However he oviously isn't forced to do it so often at Bayern, simply because the defensive organization is far better.
As a Bayern fan I hAve complete trust in his abilities, he's a lifesaver.
Putting it simply
Neuer = schmeichal
DDG= Vds
Two different types of keeper but both very effective in the way they play. And I don't think there has been much difference in worth between schmikes and Edwin so to in the form of either is a sign of a fantastic keeper.
Neuer = schmeichal
DDG= Vds
Two different types of keeper but both very effective in the way they play. And I don't think there has been much difference in worth between schmikes and Edwin so to in the form of either is a sign of a fantastic keeper.
He is the best in the world. Is so since 2011. Just 28 also.
Could go down as the best ever.
I love him so much. He was the man today.
And he can do it all. The best play opening goalie I ever saw.
Could go down as the best ever.
I love him so much. He was the man today.
And he can do it all. The best play opening goalie I ever saw.
Neuer probably did it an unnecessary amount of times tonight but to be fair he probably saved his side at least one goal! He had 21 touches outside the box which is incredible ha.
My problem with him is his unnecessary risks, for instance, at one stage tonight a shot was taken from far out and instead of just catching the ball Neuer decided to chest it, leave it fall to the ground and pick it up, presumably he was trying to waste a bit of time as Germany were 1-0 at this stage but it wasted only about 5 seconds. Another time he decided to take one step out of his box to head the ball away (I think it was to head) instead of just standing still in the box and letting the ball come to him and catching it.
My problem with him is his unnecessary risks, for instance, at one stage tonight a shot was taken from far out and instead of just catching the ball Neuer decided to chest it, leave it fall to the ground and pick it up, presumably he was trying to waste a bit of time as Germany were 1-0 at this stage but it wasted only about 5 seconds. Another time he decided to take one step out of his box to head the ball away (I think it was to head) instead of just standing still in the box and letting the ball come to him and catching it.
He's Hart with better judgement and more talent.
every goalkeeper is like Hart; just with more/less talent, different/the same strength and better/worse judgement.
In fact I am Hart, with less talent but better judgement.
neuer is the most "schmeichel like" goalie out there. definitely one of the best GK in the world today, if not the best. of course he is blessed for playing with bayern and germany where he doesn't have to make 10 saves a game.
i am happy with de gea though.
in 2 seasons time we'll most likely to see neuer, courtois and de gea as the definite best 3 in the world.
i am happy with de gea though.
in 2 seasons time we'll most likely to see neuer, courtois and de gea as the definite best 3 in the world.
Think we're already there. Except for possibly Cech, the likes of Buffon, Casillas, and Reina are all on the downsides of their careers. Some combination of Neuer (28), Courtois (22), and de Gea (23) will be on top for the next 5-10 years.
Every English player ever
A very long way to go for that to be the case, almost immeasurable. He's more buffoon than Buffon.
It's bizarre that people who've watched him a handful of times over the last couple of years can call him a disaster waiting to happen and a buffoon purely because of his style of keeping, completely ignoring the effectiveness of that style. The silly thing is if he makes one mistake in a major international tournament in the next 10 years you can bet people will point to it and say "see, told you so" ignoring the hundreds of times he'll have gotten to a ball no other keeper would have which more than makes up for it.
The German players have been incredibly successful over the last couple of years playing in a high line at club level so it makes complete sense for Low to play that way, but the only way Germany can play a high line with their set of defenders is by having Neuer sweep up the way he does. He does it far better than any other keeper in the world. Compare the number of mistakes he makes to Lloris and you'll see Lloris made more last season than Neuer did in 5 years. It's a risky tactic - Lloris' mistakes last year show you that. I just don't get why some people decide that taking a risky decision is a bad decision when it comes to keepers. Anywhere else on the pitch and risks are seen as either necessary (attackers) or admirable (defenders), but for keepers it's just stupid. Yes the potential risk is higher than anywhere else on the pitch but the rewards for Germany so far have shown it's worth it. They would have been out of the tournament last night if not for Neuer.
The German players have been incredibly successful over the last couple of years playing in a high line at club level so it makes complete sense for Low to play that way, but the only way Germany can play a high line with their set of defenders is by having Neuer sweep up the way he does. He does it far better than any other keeper in the world. Compare the number of mistakes he makes to Lloris and you'll see Lloris made more last season than Neuer did in 5 years. It's a risky tactic - Lloris' mistakes last year show you that. I just don't get why some people decide that taking a risky decision is a bad decision when it comes to keepers. Anywhere else on the pitch and risks are seen as either necessary (attackers) or admirable (defenders), but for keepers it's just stupid. Yes the potential risk is higher than anywhere else on the pitch but the rewards for Germany so far have shown it's worth it. They would have been out of the tournament last night if not for Neuer.
I love him as a keeper.
I'd imagine a lot of strikers are scared of his sheer presence.
I'd imagine a lot of strikers are scared of his sheer presence.
I like Neuer, he makes the odd mistake here and there but acts like nothing happened. I like his leadership qualities. Easily top 3 best GK's in the world alongside Courtois and Big Dave.
It's a high risk game but it's done so by design. Köpke said Neuer playing basically as a sweeper was a risk Löw is willing to take to be able to play with a high defensive line.
Cold as ice in the 94th minute against Karim Benzema. Also a top-class reaction to Varane's header, other goalies have to start flying around the 6yard box the deflect it for a corner kick. He takes a long step and picks it up in mid-air.
The best in the world. Since 2011. I say it and I believe it with all my heart. A level above anyone else. Third Semi with Germany at a big event!!!
That save at the end. Cold as ice. He plays like he gives zero fecks about the attacking players.